Re: [PEIRCE-L] Just testing

2017-09-29 Thread sb
print("HAL?"); if(laugh == T){     print(";)"); }else{     print("+9000"); } Am 29.09.17 um 09:41 schrieb Armando Sercovich: a1  b2 - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to

Re: CP2.230 (1910) ] Systems of Meaning was Re: [PEIRCE-L] 123, abc

2017-08-17 Thread sb
John, thank for your response. I believe you are seeing this from a very different viewpoint. I am interested in the sociology and history of knowledge. That's why i am thinking in a different diagram. On 8/16/2017 6:29 PM, sb wrote: in my opinion the diagram should contain two cycles

Re: CP2.230 (1910) ] Systems of Meaning was Re: [PEIRCE-L] 123, abc

2017-08-16 Thread sb
John, in my opinion the diagram should contain two cycles. A "habit" cycle and a "something unexpected happens" cyle. The diagram should also address the fact, that the stock of knowledge changes with every turn on the "something unexpected happens" cycle. Maybe it would be even better to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Phaneroscopy & Phenomenology

2017-07-31 Thread sb
That’s interesting. I was familiar with Derrida’s and of course Habermas but I didn’t know there were others. In Germany there were e.g. Herbert Marcuse, Jürgen von Kempski, Max Bense, his wife Elisabeth Walther-Bense, the late Karl-Otto Apel, Klaus Oehler or Helmut Pape. Best, Stefan Am

Re: [PEIRCE-L] phenomenology of stories

2016-11-27 Thread sb
and culture, life and form. Gene Halton On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:33 PM, sb <peirc...@semiotikon.de <mailto:peirc...@semiotikon.de>> wrote: John, Kirsti, List, for those interested in the philosophy of stories and able to read german i recommend: *

Re: [PEIRCE-L] phenomenology of stories

2016-11-25 Thread sb
for developing a way which works in interpreting law. Very, very different methods are needed, that's for sure. 'Tradition' for instance, acquiers a different meaning than with, for instance ancient texts. Cf CSP's notes on the 'hand of the sheriff' as excamples of secondness... Best, Kirsti sb

Re: [PEIRCE-L] phenomenology of stories

2016-11-24 Thread sb
topic himself. >Plenty. > >Thanks for the information, anyway. Perhaps I'll look something up on >the basis of your incentive. > >Best, > >Kirsti > >sb kirjoitti 15.11.2016 23:33: >> John, Kirsti, List, for those interested in the philosophy of stories >> and ab

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-24 Thread sb
n, and > thought. In regard to feeling, Hume is in error, for he is committed >to the view that vividness is an element of a sensequality. The >three modes of separating the elements of a thought-object are >precision, dissociation, and discrimination. Volition and purpos

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-24 Thread sb
does Peirce and Plato say is useful about *likeness*? > >Best, >Jerry R > >On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:45 PM, sb <peirc...@semiotikon.de> wrote: > >> Jerry, >> >> i am not sureb whether your quote from "Four Consequences" is useful >or >> not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
t; > >Here is how I see Peirce to have conceived of Aristotle: > > > >“Whether the form or the substratum is the essential nature of a >physical >object is not yet clear. But that the principles are three, and in what >sense, and the way in which each is a principle, is c

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
Gary, Clark, List, "Stefan thought we might consider looking at Aristotle's views of democracy in approaching Peirce's. I expressed some considerable reservations about that approach." Hope my intention became clearer by my previous post. "I’d imagine the interesting question regarding

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
f that concept. > >Best, > >Gary R > > >[image: Gary Richmond] > >*Gary Richmond* >*Philosophy and Critical Thinking* >*Communication Studies* >*LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* >*C 745* >*718 482-5690 <718%20482-5690>* > >On

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
College of the City University of New York* *C 745* *718 482-5690 <tel:718%20482-5690>* On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:06 PM, sb <peirc...@semiotikon.de <mailto:peirc...@semiotikon.de>> wrote: Gary, Clark, List, You may recall that I concluded my message which began t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-22 Thread sb
Gary, Clark, List, You may recall that I concluded my message which began this thread with this question: can anyone on the list offer some Peirce quotations which might help quickly clarify his views on democracy? when i search the CP for "democra" there are only three hits. Just because of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-22 Thread sb
Gary, Clark, List, You may recall that I concluded my message which began this thread with this question: can anyone on the list offer some Peirce quotations which might help quickly clarify his views on democracy? when i search the CP for "democra" there are only three hits. Just because of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-20 Thread sb
o learn more from, not dismiss. Best, Mike On 11/19/2016 11:53 PM, sb wrote: Edwina, oh, this is a Peirce list, that's interesting, isn't it? What kind of red hering is this? You keep writing this stuff on this list for years over and over again. Now, when someone asks you for some eviden

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-19 Thread sb
opment of the middle class >market economy in the West. [J.D. Bernal, Ferdinand Braudel..] > >Edwina > - Original Message - > From: sb > To: Gary Richmond ; Peirce-L > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-19 Thread sb
ible; there are no falsifying assumptions. >It's pure description of 'the ecological realities and the societal >forms of actual peoples. Then, one can generalize. And it's interesting >to see how peoples - completely out of touch with each other - have >nevertheless developed the SAM

[PEIRCE-L] phenomenology of stories

2016-11-15 Thread sb
John, Kirsti, List, for those interested in the philosophy of stories and able to read german i recommend: * Wilhelm Schapp (2012) In Geschichten verstrickt. Zu Sein von Mensch und Ding. 5. ed. Klostermann. * Wilhelm Schapp (1981) Philosophie der Geschichten. 2. ed. Klostermann. His

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Principles of Classification?

2016-10-12 Thread sb
Jon, just a funny sidenote: Thomas Telford founder and lifelong president of the Institution of Civil Engineers denied, according to Karl Polanyi, all phycicists membership in the institution, because physics was at that time only theoretical and of no practical use ;) Something many

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The auhor's claim: There is no *distinctly* scientific method

2016-07-25 Thread sb
e >because >of social principles. That is, we might simply get bored after we deem >no >more information is worth having; that we have reached the limit of >measurement and construction. > > > >With best wishes, >Jerry Rhee > > > >On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:58 A

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The auhor's claim: There is no *distinctly* scientific method

2016-07-14 Thread sb
h Carl Sagan and the more >recent one with Neil deGrasse Tyson. > > > >gary > > > >From: sb [mailto:peirc...@semiotikon.de] >Sent: 14-Jul-16 05:29 > > > > > >Gary F., > >yes i agree, Peirce reading of the history of science is based on the >i

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The auhor's claim: There is no *distinctly* scientific method

2016-07-14 Thread sb
. Also, many of the hypotheses which >the early moderns tried to test were indeed derived from prior sources, >so they certainly didn’t “start from scratch” in that sense either. And >I’d concur with your observations about the current “sociological >phenomenon” of “science.” > &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The auhor's claim: There is no *distinctly* scientific method

2016-07-12 Thread sb
Gary, John, Olga, what is this thing "science" you are talking about? Do you mean the sociological phenomen or the idea of science? I think these two are a bit mixed up in your exchange. When i look at science as a sociological phenomenen i must say i have seen much hedonism, betrayal, lying,

Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality

2015-10-14 Thread sb
ngually" (as in >composing at the piano or choreographing a dance, which presupposes >linguistic competence but is not itself an exercise of speech)." > > >Matt > > >On 10/12/15 6:14 PM, sb wrote: >> Matt, Clark, >> >> thanks for your interesting excha

Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality

2015-10-12 Thread sb
Matt, Clark, thanks for your interesting exchange! I have only two points. 1) I found the language fetishism of some social scientists and philosophers always strange. I personally am thinking in images and diagrams and that's why i was exited about Peirce whenni started reading him.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Animated Logical Graphs

2015-01-12 Thread sb
for those who might be interested in it there. Best, Gary Gary Richmond* * * * *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* *C 745* *718 482-5690* On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:04 PM, sb peirc...@semiotikon.de

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread sb
Lieber Helmut, Was du ererbt von deinen Vätern hast, erwirb es, um es zu besitzen. Was man nicht nützt, ist eine schwere Last; Nur was der Augenblick erschafft, das kann er nützen. Es geht doch nicht darum Dinge zu glauben, weil sie alt sind, es geht darum aus der Etymologie eines Wortes etwas

Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread sb
converging from various starting points (and zigzagging too) till things fit together like in a crossword puzzle, as Haack said. Best, Ben On 9/24/2014 8:36 AM, sb wrote: Ben, Gary, R., Gary F., i've got to start from the end of your post. You speak of the society rewarding diciplines

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread sb
26, 2014 at 5:52 AM, sb peirc...@semiotikon.de mailto:peirc...@semiotikon.de wrote: Ben, Garys, list, seems i took some things down the wrong pipe (see my post to Gary). There is not much in what you say that I'd disagree with. But there is still the truth-problem, but maybe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-24 Thread sb
/23/2014 5:20 AM, sb wrote: Gary F., Ben, List, yes, it is an extremist position. Ludwik Fleck in some of his texts about the /Denkkollektive/ (thought collectives) comes close to this point. But his microbiological bench research maybe prevented him to fall prey to such solipcism. Also Latours

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-21 Thread sb
Dear Ben, Gary R., Gary F., List wich social constructivists with some reputation do hold the position that the objects or findings of inquiry are unreal and mere figments? Schütz, Berger Luckmann, Piaget, von Foerster, Latour, Bloor or Knorr-Cetina? Foucault, Mannheim or Fleck? I wonder

[PEIRCE-L] peirce bibliographic database

2014-09-01 Thread sb
List, last year i had a short exchange with Vinicius about a database containing all the bibliographic info for the ms, letters, published works and the crossreferences to the CP, W and the online material. I talked big then and said the coding could be only hours or a couple of days work. I