Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 5

2011-09-25 Thread Eugene Halton
Dear Sally,
The Nubiola article mentioned by Michael DeLaurentis is: Nubiola, 
Jaime. 1996. "Scholarship on the Relations between Ludwig Wittgenstein and 
Charles S. Peirce." Proceedings of the III Symposium on History of Logic, 
edited by I. Angelelli and M. Cerezo. Berlin: Gruyter. Retrieved December 5, 
2007, from: http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/nubiola/scholar.htm

Re: the compatibility of Wittgenstein and Peirce. I have a brief 
discussion of early Wittgenstein from a Peircean perspective on pp. 240-243 in 
the last chapter of my book Meaning and Modernity. It is in a section titled 
"Principia Diaboli," and I criticize the broader culture of nominalism; its 
split between thought and things, and denial of the reality of the symbol. I 
contrast the diabolic (to throw apart) with the symbolic (to throw together).
Later Wittgenstein's broader idea of "meaning as use" still seems 
to me be far more contracted than Peirce's idea of meaning as found in 
conceivable consequences.

Perhaps this might also have some interest, in the context of 
communicative community virtues. In a recent blog, Michael Weinman attempted to 
apply Peirce's idea of fallibilism to a conception of political fallibilism:
http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/08/two-forms-of-political-fallibilism/
My attempt at a Peircean response to him is also there.

Gene


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Gary F., List,

Thanks, Gary, for this response.   I didn't really know what to make of JR's 
assertion regarding the distributive vs. collective existence of the 
communicational community--the translation into Peircean terms is very helpful.

I take your point about JR having the life of a Peircean symbol in mind in 
paragraph 23, with all that that concept implies.  When this is factored in, it 
is clear that the form of life is something to which the inquirer belongs, not 
one that is coterminous with the inquirer's individual being (my initial 
reading).  This is one moment in the paper when it seems particularly difficult 
to speak in the spirit of Peirce, as JR certainly is doing, without also 
speaking in his exact terms as well--without using explicitly Peirce's 
definition of the symbol and making all that that definition entails clear.  In 
this respect, JR's use of "form of life" does seem to be a good alternative, 
however.  Even if the physicists weren't familiar with Wittgenstein's 
distinctive notion of "grammar" and its relation to the practices of language 
games and the forms of life they sustain, the phrase still conveys in a common 
sensical way that there is a larger reality to which an individual inquirer, as 
an "inquirer," necessarily belongs.

The compatibility of Wittgenstein and Peirce is a topic of interest to me. I  
have been struck repeatedly by how closely Wittgenstein's thinking can align 
with Peirce's. If any listers know of work done that compares these two 
philosophers, I would appreciate any references.  Perhaps this needs a 
different thread, however.

Thanks again,
Sally

Sally,

JR's "overall form of life" does sound more like Wittgenstein's Lebensform than 
a Peircean idiom, but as i think you mentioned before, he seems to be going out 
of his way here to avoid Peircean terminology that might put off the people 
he's addressing. However it does seem to me quite compatible with Peirce's 
ideas on scientific inquiry. I don't think i'd agree that JR "locates truth 
entirely within the "life" of the inquirer, not in the subject matter that 
determines the inquirer's inquiry, and not in any relation that the inquirer 
and the subject-matter might be maintaining to one another". We're talking 
about the life of a symbol here, and a genuine symbol must involve both 
indexical and iconic components in generating an interpretant, which does imply 
a relation between the inquirer and the subject-matter (to put it in less 
Peircean terms).

Speaking of the "communicational community", JR's assertion that it "exists 
distributively not collectively" looks at first more individualistic than 
anything Peirce would say, but i think makes a more Peircean sense if we bear 
in mind the typical Peircean distinction between reality and existence. I think 
Peirce would say that the community as a "form of life" is more real than the 
individual inquirer, but it only exists in the actual practice of individual 
inquirers. And that practice, to be genuine, requires an objective focus on 
"subject-specific properties", as JR puts it in paragraph 23.

That's how i see it, anyway.

Gary F.

} Sincerity is incommunicable because it becomes insincere by being 
communicated. [Luhmann] {

www.gnusystems.ca/Peirce.htm

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 5

2011-09-25 Thread Michael J. DeLaurentis
PS - The speculation is that some CSP may have rubbed off on Wittgenstein
via Frank Ramsey, who was apparently rather impressed with CSP's work,
though there are no references to CSP in any Wittgenstein writing, I think. 

 

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Sally - On Wittgenstein and CSP: you can mine a fair number of downloadable
articles if you Google the two names [and I'd be happy to send some I have
downloaded].  John Upper [who was at Queens U, Ontario] had done an early
master's thesis, I believe, comparing the two. Later, Jaime Nubiola, on this
list still, I believe, did an overview of scholarship on the two in 1996.
Catherine Legg [Melbourne] - also on this list for some time, and possibly
still -- had an interesting piece on rules, pragmatism, and skepticism.  And
there was some years back, and may still be, a Peirce-Wittgenstein research
group at U Quebec. The themes of doubt, certainty, and rules seem to run
through most of these articles, with reference a few times to this comment
from Wittgenstein's "On Certainty": "So I am trying to say something that
sounds like pragmatism."

Similarities, yes; but many differences, too. It would be an interesting
thread. 

 

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Gary F., List,

 

Thanks, Gary, for this response.   I didn't really know what to make of JR's
assertion regarding the distributive vs. collective existence of the
communicational community--the translation into Peircean terms is very
helpful. 

 

I take your point about JR having the life of a Peircean symbol in mind in
paragraph 23, with all that that concept implies.  When this is factored in,
it is clear that the form of life is something to which the inquirer
belongs, not one that is coterminous with the inquirer's individual being
(my initial reading).  This is one moment in the paper when it seems
particularly difficult to speak in the spirit of Peirce, as JR certainly is
doing, without also speaking in his exact terms as well--without using
explicitly Peirce's definition of the symbol and making all that that
definition entails clear.  In this respect, JR's use of "form of life" does
seem to be a good alternative, however.  Even if the physicists weren't
familiar with Wittgenstein's distinctive notion of "grammar" and its
relation to the practices of language games and the forms of life they
sustain, the phrase still conveys in a common sensical way that there is a
larger reality to which an individual inquirer, as an "inquirer,"
necessarily belongs. 

 

The compatibility of Wittgenstein and Peirce is a topic of interest to me. I
have been struck repeatedly by how closely Wittgenstein's thinking can align
with Peirce's. If any listers know of work done that compares these two
philosophers, I would appreciate any references.  Perhaps this needs a
different thread, however. 

 

Thanks again,

Sally

 

Sally,

 

JR's "overall form of life" does sound more like Wittgenstein's Lebensform
than a Peircean idiom, but as i think you mentioned before, he seems to be
going out of his way here to avoid Peircean terminology that might put off
the people he's addressing. However it does seem to me quite compatible with
Peirce's ideas on scientific inquiry. I don't think i'd agree that JR
"locates truth entirely within the "life" of the inquirer, not in the
subject matter that determines the inquirer's inquiry, and not in any
relation that the inquirer and the subject-matter might be maintaining to
one another". We're talking about the life of a symbol here, and a genuine
symbol must involve both indexical and iconic components in generating an
interpretant, which does imply a relation between the inquirer and the
subject-matter (to put it in less Peircean terms).

 

Speaking of the "communicational community", JR's assertion that it "exists
distributively not collectively" looks at first more individualistic than
anything Peirce would say, but i think makes a more Peircean sense if we
bear in mind the typical Peircean distinction between reality and existence.
I think Peirce would say that the community as a "form of life" is more real
than the individual inquirer, but it only exists in the actual practice of
individual inquirers. And that practice, to be genuine, requires an
objective focus on "subject-specific properties", as JR puts it in paragraph
23.

 

That's how i see it, anyway.

 

Gary F.

 

} Sincerity is incommunicable because it becomes insincere by being
communicated. [Luhmann] {

 

www.gnusystems.ca/Peirce.htm }{ gnoxic studie

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 5

2011-09-25 Thread Sally Ness

Michael,

Thanks so much.  I look forward to pursuing this.

Sally

Sally - On Wittgenstein and CSP: you can mine a fair number of 
downloadable articles if you Google the two names [and I'd be happy 
to send some I have downloaded].  John Upper [who was at Queens U, 
Ontario] had done an early master's thesis, I believe, comparing the 
two. Later, Jaime Nubiola, on this list still, I believe, did an 
overview of scholarship on the two in 1996. Catherine Legg 
[Melbourne] - also on this list for some time, and possibly still -- 
had an interesting piece on rules, pragmatism, and skepticism.  And 
there was some years back, and may still be, a Peirce-Wittgenstein 
research group at U Quebec. The themes of doubt, certainty, and 
rules seem to run through most of these articles, with reference a 
few times to this comment from Wittgenstein's "On Certainty": "So I 
am trying to say something that sounds like pragmatism."


Similarities, yes; but many differences, too. It would be an 
interesting thread.


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Gary F., List,

Thanks, Gary, for this response.   I didn't really know what to make 
of JR's assertion regarding the distributive vs. collective 
existence of the communicational community--the translation into 
Peircean terms is very helpful.


I take your point about JR having the life of a Peircean symbol in 
mind in paragraph 23, with all that that concept implies.  When this 
is factored in, it is clear that the form of life is something to 
which the inquirer belongs, not one that is coterminous with the 
inquirer's individual being (my initial reading).  This is one 
moment in the paper when it seems particularly difficult to speak in 
the spirit of Peirce, as JR certainly is doing, without also 
speaking in his exact terms as well--without using explicitly 
Peirce's definition of the symbol and making all that that 
definition entails clear.  In this respect, JR's use of "form of 
life" does seem to be a good alternative, however.  Even if the 
physicists weren't familiar with Wittgenstein's distinctive notion 
of "grammar" and its relation to the practices of language games and 
the forms of life they sustain, the phrase still conveys in a common 
sensical way that there is a larger reality to which an individual 
inquirer, as an "inquirer," necessarily belongs.


The compatibility of Wittgenstein and Peirce is a topic of interest 
to me. I  have been struck repeatedly by how closely Wittgenstein's 
thinking can align with Peirce's. If any listers know of work done 
that compares these two philosophers, I would appreciate any 
references.  Perhaps this needs a different thread, however.


Thanks again,
Sally


Sally,



JR's "overall form of life" does sound more like Wittgenstein's 
Lebensform than a Peircean idiom, but as i think you mentioned 
before, he seems to be going out of his way here to avoid Peircean 
terminology that might put off the people he's addressing. However 
it does seem to me quite compatible with Peirce's ideas on 
scientific inquiry. I don't think i'd agree that JR "locates truth 
entirely within the "life" of the inquirer, not in the subject 
matter that determines the inquirer's inquiry, and not in any 
relation that the inquirer and the subject-matter might be 
maintaining to one another". We're talking about the life of a 
symbol here, and a genuine symbol must involve both indexical and 
iconic components in generating an interpretant, which does imply a 
relation between the inquirer and the subject-matter (to put it in 
less Peircean terms).




Speaking of the "communicational community", JR's assertion that it 
"exists distributively not collectively" looks at first more 
individualistic than anything Peirce would say, but i think makes a 
more Peircean sense if we bear in mind the typical Peircean 
distinction between reality and existence. I think Peirce would say 
that the community as a "form of life" is more real than the 
individual inquirer, but it only exists in the actual practice of 
individual inquirers. And that practice, to be genuine, requires an 
objective focus on "subject-specific properties", as JR puts it in 
paragraph 23.




That's how i see it, anyway.



Gary F.



} Sincerity is incommunicable because it becomes insincere by being 
communicated. [Luhmann] {




www.gnusystems.ca/Peirce.htm }{ 
gnoxic studies: Peirce






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Segment 5



List,



As Jerry Chandler has commented, how much weight the scientific 

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 5

2011-09-25 Thread Michael J. DeLaurentis
Sally - On Wittgenstein and CSP: you can mine a fair number of downloadable
articles if you Google the two names [and I'd be happy to send some I have
downloaded].  John Upper [who was at Queens U, Ontario] had done an early
master's thesis, I believe, comparing the two. Later, Jaime Nubiola, on this
list still, I believe, did an overview of scholarship on the two in 1996.
Catherine Legg [Melbourne] - also on this list for some time, and possibly
still -- had an interesting piece on rules, pragmatism, and skepticism.  And
there was some years back, and may still be, a Peirce-Wittgenstein research
group at U Quebec. The themes of doubt, certainty, and rules seem to run
through most of these articles, with reference a few times to this comment
from Wittgenstein's "On Certainty": "So I am trying to say something that
sounds like pragmatism."



Similarities, yes; but many differences, too. It would be an interesting
thread. 

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:51 PM
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Communities" Segment 5

 

Gary F., List,

 

Thanks, Gary, for this response.   I didn't really know what to make of JR's
assertion regarding the distributive vs. collective existence of the
communicational community--the translation into Peircean terms is very
helpful. 

 

I take your point about JR having the life of a Peircean symbol in mind in
paragraph 23, with all that that concept implies.  When this is factored in,
it is clear that the form of life is something to which the inquirer
belongs, not one that is coterminous with the inquirer's individual being
(my initial reading).  This is one moment in the paper when it seems
particularly difficult to speak in the spirit of Peirce, as JR certainly is
doing, without also speaking in his exact terms as well--without using
explicitly Peirce's definition of the symbol and making all that that
definition entails clear.  In this respect, JR's use of "form of life" does
seem to be a good alternative, however.  Even if the physicists weren't
familiar with Wittgenstein's distinctive notion of "grammar" and its
relation to the practices of language games and the forms of life they
sustain, the phrase still conveys in a common sensical way that there is a
larger reality to which an individual inquirer, as an "inquirer,"
necessarily belongs. 

 

The compatibility of Wittgenstein and Peirce is a topic of interest to me. I
have been struck repeatedly by how closely Wittgenstein's thinking can align
with Peirce's. If any listers know of work done that compares these two
philosophers, I would appreciate any references.  Perhaps this needs a
different thread, however. 

 

Thanks again,

Sally

 

Sally,

 

JR's "overall form of life" does sound more like Wittgenstein's Lebensform
than a Peircean idiom, but as i think you mentioned before, he seems to be
going out of his way here to avoid Peircean terminology that might put off
the people he's addressing. However it does seem to me quite compatible with
Peirce's ideas on scientific inquiry. I don't think i'd agree that JR
"locates truth entirely within the "life" of the inquirer, not in the
subject matter that determines the inquirer's inquiry, and not in any
relation that the inquirer and the subject-matter might be maintaining to
one another". We're talking about the life of a symbol here, and a genuine
symbol must involve both indexical and iconic components in generating an
interpretant, which does imply a relation between the inquirer and the
subject-matter (to put it in less Peircean terms).

 

Speaking of the "communicational community", JR's assertion that it "exists
distributively not collectively" looks at first more individualistic than
anything Peirce would say, but i think makes a more Peircean sense if we
bear in mind the typical Peircean distinction between reality and existence.
I think Peirce would say that the community as a "form of life" is more real
than the individual inquirer, but it only exists in the actual practice of
individual inquirers. And that practice, to be genuine, requires an
objective focus on "subject-specific properties", as JR puts it in paragraph
23.

 

That's how i see it, anyway.

 

Gary F.

 

} Sincerity is incommunicable because it becomes insincere by being
communicated. [Luhmann] {

 

www.gnusystems.ca/Peirce.htm }{ gnoxic studies: Peirce

 

 

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Segment 5

 

Segment 5

 

List,

 

As Jerry Chandler has commented, how much weight the scientific community
places on the concept of sincerity may be open to doubt.  However, there is
little doubt about the weight the community places on the co

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 5

2011-09-25 Thread Sally Ness

Gary F., List,

Thanks, Gary, for this response.   I didn't really know what to make 
of JR's assertion regarding the distributive vs. collective existence 
of the communicational community--the translation into Peircean terms 
is very helpful.


I take your point about JR having the life of a Peircean symbol in 
mind in paragraph 23, with all that that concept implies.  When this 
is factored in, it is clear that the form of life is something to 
which the inquirer belongs, not one that is coterminous with the 
inquirer's individual being (my initial reading).  This is one moment 
in the paper when it seems particularly difficult to speak in the 
spirit of Peirce, as JR certainly is doing, without also speaking in 
his exact terms as well--without using explicitly Peirce's definition 
of the symbol and making all that that definition entails clear.  In 
this respect, JR's use of "form of life" does seem to be a good 
alternative, however.  Even if the physicists weren't familiar with 
Wittgenstein's distinctive notion of "grammar" and its relation to 
the practices of language games and the forms of life they sustain, 
the phrase still conveys in a common sensical way that there is a 
larger reality to which an individual inquirer, as an "inquirer," 
necessarily belongs.


The compatibility of Wittgenstein and Peirce is a topic of interest 
to me. I  have been struck repeatedly by how closely Wittgenstein's 
thinking can align with Peirce's. If any listers know of work done 
that compares these two philosophers, I would appreciate any 
references.  Perhaps this needs a different thread, however.


Thanks again,
Sally


Sally,

JR's "overall form of life" does sound more like Wittgenstein's 
Lebensform than a Peircean idiom, but as i think you mentioned 
before, he seems to be going out of his way here to avoid Peircean 
terminology that might put off the people he's addressing. However 
it does seem to me quite compatible with Peirce's ideas on 
scientific inquiry. I don't think i'd agree that JR "locates truth 
entirely within the "life" of the inquirer, not in the subject 
matter that determines the inquirer's inquiry, and not in any 
relation that the inquirer and the subject-matter might be 
maintaining to one another". We're talking about the life of a 
symbol here, and a genuine symbol must involve both indexical and 
iconic components in generating an interpretant, which does imply a 
relation between the inquirer and the subject-matter (to put it in 
less Peircean terms).


Speaking of the "communicational community", JR's assertion that it 
"exists distributively not collectively" looks at first more 
individualistic than anything Peirce would say, but i think makes a 
more Peircean sense if we bear in mind the typical Peircean 
distinction between reality and existence. I think Peirce would say 
that the community as a "form of life" is more real than the 
individual inquirer, but it only exists in the actual practice of 
individual inquirers. And that practice, to be genuine, requires an 
objective focus on "subject-specific properties", as JR puts it in 
paragraph 23.


That's how i see it, anyway.

Gary F.

} Sincerity is incommunicable because it becomes insincere by being 
communicated. [Luhmann] {


www.gnusystems.ca/Peirce.htm }{ 
gnoxic studies: Peirce



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Segment 5

List,

As Jerry Chandler has commented, how much weight the scientific 
community places on the concept of sincerity may be open to doubt. 
However, there is little doubt about the weight the community places 
on the concept of truth.  The fifth segment of the paper, "Sciences 
as Communicational Communities," which is composed of paragraphs 22 
and 23 (reproduced below), focuses directly and mainly on the 
concept of truth.


Given the interest that has already been shown in this concept on 
previous posts, and the expertise many listers have already 
demonstrated with respect to philosophical discourses focusing on 
this concept, I am going to leave the main points of this segment 
open for response by those who have much greater philosophical 
understanding of them than I.  I will attempt little more in what 
follows than a reprise of the contents of the segment that 
identifies a few instances where more elaboration, definition, and 
discussion from those who would be inclined to provide it would be 
particularly helpful.  I hope that listers with greater knowledge of 
Peirce's thinking with respect to the concept of truth will come 
forward to fill in the record in these and other respects.


JR's language seems to depart more markedly from the letter, if not 
the spirit, of Peirce in this penultimate segment than in any other 
part of the pap

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 5

2011-09-25 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Sally,

 

JR's “overall form of life” does sound more like Wittgenstein's Lebensform than 
a Peircean idiom, but as i think you mentioned before, he seems to be going out 
of his way here to avoid Peircean terminology that might put off the people 
he’s addressing. However it does seem to me quite compatible with Peirce’s 
ideas on scientific inquiry. I don’t think i’d agree that JR “locates truth 
entirely within the "life" of the inquirer, not in the subject matter that 
determines the inquirer's inquiry, and not in any relation that the inquirer 
and the subject-matter might be maintaining to one another”. We’re talking 
about the life of a symbol here, and a genuine symbol must involve both 
indexical and iconic components in generating an interpretant, which does imply 
a relation between the inquirer and the subject-matter (to put it in less 
Peircean terms).

 

Speaking of the “communicational community”, JR’s assertion that it “exists 
distributively not collectively” looks at first more individualistic than 
anything Peirce would say, but i think makes a more Peircean sense if we bear 
in mind the typical Peircean distinction between reality and existence. I think 
Peirce would say that the community as a “form of life” is more real than the 
individual inquirer, but it only exists in the actual practice of individual 
inquirers. And that practice, to be genuine, requires an objective focus on 
“subject-specific properties”, as JR puts it in paragraph 23.

 

That’s how i see it, anyway.

 

Gary F.

 

} Sincerity is incommunicable because it becomes insincere by being 
communicated. [Luhmann] {

 

www.gnusystems.ca/Peirce.htm }{ gnoxic studies: Peirce

 

 

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Segment 5

 

Segment 5

 

List,

 

As Jerry Chandler has commented, how much weight the scientific community 
places on the concept of sincerity may be open to doubt.  However, there is 
little doubt about the weight the community places on the concept of truth.  
The fifth segment of the paper, "Sciences as Communicational Communities," 
which is composed of paragraphs 22 and 23 (reproduced below), focuses directly 
and mainly on the concept of truth. 

 

Given the interest that has already been shown in this concept on previous 
posts, and the expertise many listers have already demonstrated with respect to 
philosophical discourses focusing on this concept, I am going to leave the main 
points of this segment open for response by those who have much greater 
philosophical understanding of them than I.  I will attempt little more in what 
follows than a reprise of the contents of the segment that identifies a few 
instances where more elaboration, definition, and discussion from those who 
would be inclined to provide it would be particularly helpful.  I hope that 
listers with greater knowledge of Peirce's thinking with respect to the concept 
of truth will come forward to fill in the record in these and other respects.

 

JR's language seems to depart more markedly from the letter, if not the spirit, 
of Peirce in this penultimate segment than in any other part of the paper.  JR 
acknowledges this somewhat at the outset of the segment, but claims that what 
he is presenting is an original insight from Peirce, forging one of the 
strongest explicit links to Peirce that appears in the paper in so doing.  JR 
uses the concept of "assertion indicator" to identify the "force" of truth in 
the predicate "is true."  "Assertion indicator" is the first of several 
concepts, such as "speech-act," "communicational act," and "appropriate 
responsiveness" that  appear to be referencing something other than Peirce's 
own terminology.  I am guessing that Austin's speech act theory is in the 
background here, but I doubt this is the only non-Peircean frame of reference.  
Additional identification of what literature JR is most likely drawing on here 
would be much appreciated. JR indicates that he has gone further elsewhere in 
his work with these concepts.  Perhaps we will see them again in a later paper.

 

In any case, JR's key point in paragraph 22 is that truth ought to be 
understood, for the purposes at hand at least, in terms of its manifestation in 
relation to a verbal sign, and a predicate sign specifically, a sign that does 
not convey "content" (as the subject of the sentence would be doing).  Rather, 
the predicate sign directs those who are interpreting the sentence to do so in 
a manner that is in accordance with the norms that govern their communicational 
processes generally speaking.  In other words, the phrase, "is true," is a 
signal designed to compel normative communicative action, nothing more, nothing 
less.  JR specifies that this signalling is not to be confused with any 
function that spee