[PEIRCE-L] Re: Order of Determination

2018-04-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon, list I have no idea what you mean by 'the subject matter of normative science consists of the relations of phenomena to ends'. And I disagree that the 'ideal end of semiosis is the development of ha

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Order of Determination

2018-04-07 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Edwina, Jon S, List, The passage you find puzzling is from Peirce. It can be hard to make out, in part because the suggestion is so rich as a sort of guiding idea for the normative sciences of aesthetics, ethics and semioitics, considered as a whole. There are a number of attempts in the seco

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Order of Determination

2018-04-07 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, Jon, list, Edwina, all the things that you question, disagree, or reject here will be found in Peirce. He himself, for example, says that 'the subject matter of normative science consists of the relations of phenomena to ends'. Similarly, the 'ideal end of semiosis is the development of h

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Perplexing

2018-04-07 Thread Helmut Raulien
List, I think, for example, before we further analyze which determines which, e.g. the FI the DI or not, we should first get to a clearer definition of "determination", also by looking how it is used today in mathematics: deterministic chaos versus non-deterministic. Is determination non-causal, n

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Perplexing

2018-04-07 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I agree as well. As important may be observations of Deely and others who have already taken large steps in liberating Peirce's thought. I think there is some urgency in establishing a triadic perspective about which there should be little debate. amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Sat, Apr 7, 201

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Order of Determination

2018-04-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R - see my responses below: On Sat 07/04/18 1:06 PM , Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com sent: Edwina, Jon, list, 1] Gary R: Edwina, all the things that you question, disagree, or reject here will be found in Peirce. He