Also, are military equipment exports fueling some of
this growth? (See article below)
--
BTW the following article (which as an aside were all
edited by me) has data on the Russians arms business.
Mukhin is a Russian defense analyst; I believe he is a
Colonel, and writes (or has written) for
dialectical thinking is a system of logic in the
Hegelian sense of
the word, [which] is not logic in the Aristotelian
or Russellian
senses.
exactly.
jim devine
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In fact in Hegel the dialectical thinking isn't
merely a process taking place in the human mind, but
simultaneously taking place
Grammar, logic and math are systems of ordered
symbols.
--
Me: Not to the Greeks, or to Hegel. They are
objectively real. That's why the Greeks never
evolved the concepts of negative numbers or zero; how
can you talk about zero of something? It's absurd. In
one late work of Greek mathematics I
For formal logic , arriving at a contradiction means
there is a
mistake,
something is false.
--
Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since
Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be
and not be in the same way at the same time.
Dialectics in Hegel and Marx do not deny this; they
I mentioned Plato:
Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since
Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be
and not be in the same way at the same time.
---
Plato, of course, is where the conceot of dialectics
got started in the first place. Does anybody know of
Marx ever
PS Rosbalt's english-language site is closing. Damn.
Rosbalt, 01/06/2004, 18:06
Putin's Interesting Arithmetic
Analysts are divided over the ambitious plans for
national development outlined in President Vladimir
Putin's recent state of the federation speech, but
they are agreed that realizing
Yo,
I'm reading (in Russian) the book Marksizm i Utopizm
(Marxism and Utopianism), published last year. It's an
attempt to come to terms with Marxism as a scientific
approach and as an ideology in the post-Soviet context
and is quite interesting. Anyway, the author is one
Teodor Ilich Oizerman
Friday, July 16, 2004. Page 2.
Streletsky: Klebnikov Book Was on Listyev
By Catherine Belton
Staff Writer Paul Klebnikov, the American journalist
who was shot dead in Moscow, was starting to work on a
new investigation into the 1995 murder of television
director Vladimir Listyev, an event he
In view of the recent discussion that brought up
alleged ties between the ISI and Chechen militants, I
thought this might be of interest. This is from a
Chechnya-themed news server I subscribe to. CD
Author Calls for Serious Steps To Improve
Pakistan-Russia Relations
Islamabad NDC Journal in
--- Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In view of the recent discussion that brought up
alleged ties between the ISI and Chechen militants,
I
thought this might be of interest. This is from a
Chechnya-themed news server I subscribe to. CD
This is also of interest. From the same list
I don't know -- I'm not a banking expert. I actually
had an account at Guta for awhile. But Guta is just
not a household name. When I was working for the
Russia Journal, we practically never wrote on Guta.
--- sartesian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Chris Doss's remarks on Russian banking
I think calling this a banking crisis is overdoing
it. Almost none of these banks are much more than
laundrettes, and few Russians have bank accounts
anyway -- they keep their saving in cash. When
something happens to Sperbank, I'll start worrying.
__
Do you
If you take this literally, any mindset that Saddam
Hussein was
mentally ill is an even worse failure of intelligence
than so far
exposed. Just in terms of real politik how can you
sensibly analyse
any country on the basis that its leader is a madman?
Perhaps that
really was the problem.
---
Bush
?
;-)
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
From: PEN-L list on behalf of Chris Doss
Sent: Tue 7/13/2004 2:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Russia Steps in to Aid Banking
Crisis
I think calling this a banking
I notice BTW that the Western press is already using
the murder of Klebnikov as a means of attacking the
evil press-crushing Putin -- even though K. was
pro-Putin and was almost certainly killed by somebody
connected with big business, not the Kremlin. Gee, one
might think they had an agenda or
The Chechen resistance movement is an outgrowth of the
Chechen Mafia. Nukhayev is a former mobster who has
been in and out of prison since the 1970s. The Mafia
and the oligarchs are not exactly unacquainted. Read
Klebnikov's book on Berezovsky (Godfather of the
Kremlin)! It's all in there.
---
I would guess it was probably someone who got pissed
off at having their hidden income reported in Forbes'
100 Richest in Russia list. Or it could be someone in
the Chechen Mafia angry at his depiction of Nukhayev.
Or a combination therefof. Who knows?
This is really, really sad. Klebnikov was a
BTW the oligarchs and the Chechen Mafia are not
mutually exclusive. Berezovsky's links to the Chechen
militants are well-known. In fact, Klebnikov wrote a
couple of whole books about it.
--- Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would guess it was probably someone who got pissed
off at having
I'm making an exception to my usual rule of ignoring
Proyect, but
this really pisses me off. Christian has spent a total
of nearly
three months in Iraq. He's been in the middle of
firefights and met
with insurgents who threatened to kill him. It's quite
possible he
was nearly kidnapped a week or
If people don't know, Zinoviev was author of the Yawning Heights and Homo Sovieticus, a former Cold War dissident exiled from the Soviet Union and went gonzo anti-Communist.
pravda.ruJune 30, 2004Triumphant vengeancePhilosopher Alexander Zinoviev considers that the West regained its powerthanks
This is an utter disgrace that so few peopleon pen-l would take a stand against this.
--
It's much more of an utter disgrace that some people on pen-l would repond to ethnographic data, links to entire books, and references to scholarly articles with vague and totally unsubstantiated analogies,
This article misstates the situation (but then it's only a wire story). What is
happening is that the government is going over from a system of giving benefits (like
free public transportation) to giving monetary supplements to targeted groups
(pensioners, heroes of the Soviet Union or Russia,
However I am really arguing that if we try to study historyconcretely, as well as with a flaming heart, we have to interpretthese national questions not only from the point of view of theinterests of the international unity of working people, but also fromthe point of view of economic viability
This gives the other side of the story:
Tuesday, June 29, 2004. Page 1.
Veterans, Disabled Slated for Extra AidBy Caroline McGregor Staff Writer
Budget money allocated for World War II veterans will be 20 times greater and 10 times greater for the disabled, President Vladimir Putin said
I suspect much as I disagree with the oppression of the Chechens now,and consider it disastrous for the unity of the people of the world,since they are seen as representatives of muslim people oppressed bychristians, I suspect that hidden away in current Russian analysisthere are details about
Actually, I answered this question. Chris just didn't like my answer. Ofcourse, I was referring to how to deal with a series of problems in theCaucasus, not just the Dagestani events used by Putin as a pretext to renouncethe peace accords with Chechnya, to declare that a Russian puppet government
I think the big issue is that the payments aren't indexed to inflation. Like I said, I haven't done the math it would be necessary to do to see the effect of the changeover for good or ill (I've seen the figures for the amounts of payments, but don't know the cash value of the benefits).Michael
On Chechnya and the modern nation state/finance capital:
Actually, Chechen radical ideologists such as Nukhayev are explicitly anti-modernist and believe that the Chechens should live like their ancestors did, live in tribes and herd goats and raid. A few years ago he was invited to Moscow to
Somebody should tell Counterpunch that Putin has no son. He has two daughters.
---
A couple of years ago Vladimir Putin journeyed to the American Southwest to take his natural son on an initiation ritual. The boy's mother is now an American citizen.
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Actually, Chechen radical ideologists such as Nukhayev are explicitly
anti-modernist and believe that the Chechens should live like their
ancestors did, live in tribes and herd goats and raid.
This kind of characterization reminds me of James Robertson, leader of
the Spartacist League,
Read Klebnikov's book. Have you ever heard of Nukhayev?
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chechnya and capitalism
Chris Doss wrote:
Somebody should tell Counterpunch that Putin
Hot damn, Nukhayev even has a website (with part of it "in inglish" (sic)). Yeah, this is superprogressive:
No matter how blasphemous it may seem, I have to comment that the Russians, by embarking on their latest war, helped us to avoid the fate of being turned into a state and of having a
Read the book!Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So where does he recommending "raiding" as a way of life? Or did youjust make that up?Chris Doss wrote: Hot damn, Nukhayev even has a website (with part of it "in inglish" (sic)). Yeah, this is superprogressive: No matter ho
I know. For some reason, the cheap shots always seem to come from one direction.Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no need to relate this way.
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And here he is apologizing for the quaint custom of blood revenge.
We can cite many examples of how the state destroys blood ties, and even their genetic framework, not to mention their spiritual content. Those who watch TV and read newspapers will understand what Im speaking about: abandoned
Maybe some people should take their own advice. But please do take me off the list,
Michael.
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Melvin P.
Your reply to this question was no . . .Lenin did not differtiatie between the economic states and class formation of peoples. The reply is that Lenin grouped all "Causauses nations together in social terms ". . . what ever that means.
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Yeah -- there's a big big difference
I wrote:
by which I assume he means Ingushetia and Dagestan
--
By Dagestan, I meant Chechnya. Gotta start editing my posts!
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Melvin, good as always, writes:
Thus the various Indian people are "old nations" or advance national groups or historically evolved people who have not entered the economic development that characterizes modern nations - bourgeois property relations. Lenin is very . . . very clear about this
Russia collapses, IMF gives it thumbs up. Russia booms, IMF says "bad job." Go figure.
Jun 28 2004 11:35AM
IMF critical of Russian economic policy
MOSCOW. June 28 (Interfax) - The final report issued by the International Monetary Fund's expert mission, which worked in Moscow on June 15-25, has
I don't think that there's anything wrong with this observation as longas you understand genocide in the narrow technical sense of gaschambers, etc. But the UN defines genocide in terms of destroying theculture of a people as well. For example, the beating and other forms ofpunishment of Indian
I wrote:
Yeah, and there you would have to talk about Russification, which I don't know a lot about, but which varied a lot according to time and place depending on who was tsar and other factors, and some of which was deliberate and some of which was just small cultures swallowed up by larger
Man, get more data before you start drawing the analogies! To what extent were the Chuvash force-Russified? That would have to be established.
I don't believe Tatarification and Avarification were/are forced processes.
---This reminds me of a recent Onion article:BAGHDADAs the Coalition
Russianization under the Soviet Regime during all periods, primarily meant language instructions in Russian and the learning of the Russian language as a practical matter of economic and infrastructure development. Various regions implemented different policy with some making the study of
The comparison of the class structure amongst the various Indian nations, band and peoples would make more sense as economic logic and impulse in the context of not simply Georgia but the American Union. At that time - name your period, and lets try to conform to the Chronology offered - 1850,
I agree that it is more complicated, but I can't see why Putin's approach gives
a
more satisfactory explanation. When I was in France, they had terrorist attacks
quite frequently -- 1979 -- but the French both repressed AND accomodated
resistence
forces. France is not great, but it seems a step
Dammit, answer my question. What should Russia's reaction have been two armed
incursions by jihadi gunmen? Sit there and take it? Write them letters? Dear Mr.
Khattab, we think you are a big meany. Cut it out.
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From: Joseph Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In any case, I think we need to see much more detail on the 1917-1929period-- proposals, programs, debates, conflicts specifically re Bolsheviksand Chechnya.---
Near as I can tell, the Bolshies had a problem with Chechen raiders. Kind of like today. :)
---
And going forward, is there any
Hey, I did manage to find something in English on the Chechen economy in 2002 by Mikahil Delyagin. (Delyagin is a left-wing quasi-Keynesian economist who looks kind of like a chipmunk.)
How the Chechen Economy Works
Today Russia continues to deliver to Chechnya gas and electricity free of
It only touches on economics in passing, but there is a good general piece on the situation here: http://www.google.ru/search?q=cache:P_qzh9htAKcJ:www.ecoi.net/pub/mv121_chya-bg2000-iskandarian.pdf+chechnya+economy+statisticshl=ruie=UTF-8inlang=rusartesian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And going
I doubt he wrote the intro. It looks like standard Russian copy editing -- add the most hyperbolic preface possible. sartesian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Always carry a shaker full.- Original Message -From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004
nger,"the right wingmustbe tothe right ofJohn C. Calhoun and Albert Speers.
The information provided by Delyaginquite is the result of the deconstruction of the economy, itswarlordization, and bears striking similarities to conditions in Afghanistan, Nigeria, even Iraq.
- Original Message
On a related note, I don't think it was the _cause_, but it is true that both the military and the people fighting them benefit financially from prolongation of hostilities. (The former get access to all the $$ going into Chechnya, and the later get $$ from Islamic fundies abroad.)
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There is
In any case, I think we need to see much more detail on the 1917-1929period-- proposals, programs, debates, conflicts specifically re Bolsheviksand Chechnya.---
BTW, when the Bolshies were talking about national self-determination inside Russia, weren't they mainly talking about developed
Uh, I never disagreed with any of this.
Once again: What should Russia's reaction have been to armed aggression onto its
territory? (Now that we have established that such aggression did in fact take place.)
I have never gotten an answer.
That is my whole point. Things are a lot more complicated than just evil Russian
imperialists attacking noble Chechen freedom-fighters.
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 04:44:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chronology
I wish they would follow his wishes. he wanted to be buried or cremated, I forget which. I doubt that anyone wants to be put on permanent display...jd---
It's a political decision. It was outrage a lot of conservatives (in the Russian sense of the word). Most people think he should be buried
Incidentally, the Lenin Mausoleum has a website in both Russian and English. It's a tourist attraction: http://www.aha.ru/~mausoleu/
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I wrote:
It's a political decision. It has outraged a lot of conservatives (in the Russian
sense of the word).
I meant to say would outrage.
Just backing up my point. I have lots more material. (Thanks, Ralph!) This has been
cut down considerably, since originally he sent me about 70K of materials from JTA and
elsewhere.
Chris:
Sorry for the delays . . . I publish a newsletter on Russian Security
and Military Affairs, which covers
And that was just Jews. Lets see how other people were doing in the Wonderland of
Independent Ichkeria. And I didn't even have to use Lexis-Nexis.
KRO, Stavropol Authorities Sign Resettlement Agreement
By RIA Novosti correspondent Andrey Malosolov
MOSCOW, MAY 20, 1997 RIA NOVOSTI -- The
Melvin:
What of the question of Appalachia!
The right of nations to self determination can be tricky if the dominate political group that advocates such right makes an assessment that ones group is not a nation.
Exactly what is a national minority? What is a minority? What is an autonomous
Just got sent another 100K of material on this... Amazing how much you can find out by not using Lexis-Nexis.
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Did you tell me once or did I hear that they closed or moved the Lenin
museum at the end of Red Square there ? Anyway, they already had the museum.
John Reed and Big Bill Haywood are outback with Stalin.
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Damn it's late. Time to get away from the computer in search of sweet, sweet beer.
John
BTW there's a lot of this rehabilitating of Soviet themes in Putin's Russia -- bringing back the Soviet anthem and the Red Flag, naming schools after and erecting statues to Andropov, putting the plaque to honor Andropov back in the Lubyanka, Luzhkov wanting to put the statie of Dzerzhinsky back
If there are going to be memorials, monuments and statues to great people,like the Lincoln Monument, for example, the actual person's body is a kindof cool variation of those institutions.
SIMI VALLEY, CA--Slave manpower was doubled this week in an effort to
assure that erection of the
My apologies to you, Michael, and everybody else. I think I need to learn when to go into "ignore" mode.Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am disgusted that people could not be courteous while I am unable to watch over thelist! Naturally, we have seen an increase in the unsubs.Can't
Hi Melvin,
Have I mentioned that you rock?
I was going to comment on this bit you write a while back but then got distracted by a
pointless flame war. So here I go. You say:
For example the ruling people inside the Soviet Union were (white) Russians for a
similar reason that the ruling
but you don't know _when_ the flame-war or long obscure discussion or predictions of instant doom will happen. In the SM, it's the timing that's crucial. jd ---
You can make a good guess based on the email addresses of the participants. I've just been here a couple months, and I already think I
From what I have been able to find, the Bolsheviks did not consider Chechnyans as a national minoritywith a right of succession.
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This is what the (presumably Chechen) folks over at Chechnya Free have to say about it (in a book review):
Establishment of the Soviet rule in Chechnya and first
Here, all you have to say is __ and __ pulls the
flamethrower out of the closet.
Doug
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Marxism-Leninism is a dead ideology!
I count the seconds... :)
no, that won't do.Hubbert hated Native Americans!jd
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Lenin ruined Russia, but then luckily Stalin came to restore it!
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Sigh. Louis, I personally know people who were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya. They were raped, had their apartment confiscated, and left Chechnya on foot.
It took me all of 45 seconds on google to find a reference to the very
It was a provocation, a provocation...
Unfortunately I do think _most_ of the stuff going under the head "Leninism" nowadays _is_ ideology. But I'm not an expert."s.artesian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I don't know if this is within the expected time range, but neither the methods,nor the
By the way . . . Lenin is dead. This might come as a shock. I believe they have
finally taken his body off display. I mean Leninism is dead.
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He's still in the Mausoleum on Red Square (which is a really nice little piece of
architecture). They recently dressed him in some new, more
If you are worried about Washington invading Iran or Syria, though,you ought to watch Putin closely.--Yoshie---
In what sense do you mean? That Putin would give a signal of some sort?
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ussia attacked Chechnya, wait, no, that's not it either, it happened before, but the Dagestanis really liked it, wait, no (logical next step), the Dagestanis were against it, but they are Quislings, whatever I can come up with to justify my worldview."Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris D
Dude, I think I know who Imam Shamil is. I referred to his failed attempt to impose Shariah in an earlier, apparently unread, post. He was a Dagestani Avar. Shamil Basayev is named after him. He lived out his last years in a sumptuous palace outside St. Petersburg on the tsar's money, after having
Huh? Where did this bizarre non sequitor come from? Look, I see no point in continuing this inane discussion. Poka.Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Doss wrote: Dude, I think I know who Imam Shamil is. I referred to his failed attempt to impose Shariah in an earlier, apparently unread
o the evil workings of imperialism, which, not content to merely be the _main_ source of evil on earth, is the _only_ one."s.artesian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe that, Mr. Proyect's statement, is a mischaracterization of Mr. Doss's. Clearly Chris Doss is pointing out that Sh
Shamil did not "rule" Chechnya and Dagestan. Nobody rules Chechnya and Dagestan. They are clan societies (except for the Russian minority and maybe the Mountain Jews -- who I'm sure just love Islamist fighters!). Dagestan doesn't even have a president.
Instead of drawing vague analogies to other
I wish there were a bit more concrete analysis presented, rather than assertions that oil andgeopolitical forces are at work.---
Sure there are geopolitical forces at work. They are pretty easy to see when you simply look at the historical record. Let's recap the last 13 years of Chechen history:
Shamil never wanted to create a nation state. The idea would never have entered his mind.
Still waiting for evidence of some knowledge about the North Caucasus. Instead, I get regurgitated Lenin.
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When the Bolsheviks came to power, they decided to renouncethis heritage. They guaranteed the right of secession to all suchpeoples who had come under the sway of Czardom.
Did they really?
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A Report by the Commissioner of the Peoples Commissariat of Finance Who
who might be interested in learning something. If anybody out there wants to discuss the situation, you can contact me offlist, because I am tried of wasting my time. I have things to do and beer to drink.Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Doss wrote: Shamil never wanted to create a nation
Presumably, judging by the short time it took you to respond to this, you didn't read
what I sent. I'm not surprised.
I'm outta here. Poka.
Yo, all.
I asked Rob Ware and Ralph Davis, who are two Chechnya experts, about ethnic cleansing
in Chechnya, and this is what I got back.
Chris:
I am not aware of any studies on-line dealing with the migration of
non-Chechens from Chechnya . . . I do have some articles I can send
you that deal
Naturally, hardly anyone defends Yeltsin's war any more, *since he
lost*. Instead they apologize for Putin's war against Chechnya, since they
still hope he will win. But the main point here is that the facts I cited from
Lieven aren't denied.
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For the last friggin' time:
The difference between
TheRussian chauvinist bourgeoisie was willing to kill Russian workers for the sakeof its imperialist crusade against Chechnya
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I think the first Chechen War was unjusitifiable, but:
How is wanting to hold onto territory "chauvinist"?
How is a civil war "imperialist"?
Do you
Two articles, from the Rodnaya Gazeta newspaper and from RBC. The first has a typically Russian hyperbolic headline.
Rodnaya GazetaNo. 23June 18, 2004THAT'S ALL: THE END OF CAPITALISM IN RUSSIAThe parallel lines of history meetMore and more parallels between Russia today and Russia a hundred
Hi,
Your position is in fact close to mine. Indeed, the Ireland example is a much closer parallel (due to geographical proximity) than, say, the relation of France to Algeria (except that at least there is water separating the English from Ireland). Chechnya was of course originally acquired by
Wow, this devolved into a personal attack after just one post.
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Grant Lee wrote:
What an insult to Tito, comparing to him to a crypto-fascist
Only countries trying to preserve socialism are allowed to defend themselves?
Louis said: Milosevic was trying to preserve the tattered remnants of Titoist socialism.What an insult to Tito, comparing to him to a crypto-fascist rabble rouser.
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Chris Doss wrote:
Only countries trying to preserve socialism are allowed to defend
themselves?
I am not exactly sure what this is a reference to. The Russian army was
occupying Chechnya
Dear God man. Dagestanis hate Chechens. It's like saying the Azerbaijanis have the
hots for Armenians, or Georgians for Abkhaz. Practically every apartment block in
Makhachkala has someone who had been sucked up by the hostage industry. Do a google
and look for material that doesn't back your
See?
The continuing war in Chechnya has also had a damaging effect on the surrounding
region. It has led to a significant number of refugees entering Dagestan, complicating
the situation there. In addition, attacks by militants from Chechen territory against
some of the villages in the Botlih
Let me quote Lieven again (for the third time) on Chechnya and Dagestan. I am starting
to believe that what I send doesn;t actually get read.
Of course. The Chechen conflict has nothing to do with radical Islam. How silly of me.
Once again, in an apparently futile attempt to make people live in
Leaving aside my admitted hyperbole and your Hitchens bait, I can't imagine
how any socialist familiar with the history of Yugoslavia in the 1990s,
would want to claim Milosevic as one of their own. If you don't have a low
opinion of him now, I can't imagine what it would take to change your mind.
Absolutely. Anybody saying the war in Chechnya is about goddamn oil would get laughed
out the fucking door in Russia.
By the way, looking for anything on an event that took place in a remote area in
Russia most Westerners never heard of in the early 1990s on Lexus-Nexus, in ENGLISH,
is not
Forwarded to me by Chechnya pro Robert Ware, with his comments.
The Italian media is full of these reports, crediting British intelligence. Last week
the Washington Times reported that Chechens had attacked Americans in Iraq. For
many years, Chechens have received more credit and more blame
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