Re: Marx abstraction [was Query: critique of production functions -clarification-]

2003-11-06 Thread Matías Scaglione
Dear James: --- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I agree: Marx was deliberately abstracting in a way that (he thought) reflected the actual process under capitalism. In my very short précis, I was only summarizing one part of his approach and its actual application. I was in no way

Re: Marx abstraction [was Query: critique of production functions -clarification-]

2003-11-05 Thread Mario José de Lima
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:06 AM Subject: Marx abstraction [was Query: critique of production functions -clarification-] Dear James: On Marx's use of abstraction in Capital I you wrote: In order to understand capitalist production in volume I, he

Re: Marx abstraction [was Query: critique of production functions -clarification-]

2003-11-05 Thread Devine, James
] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L] Marx abstraction [was Query: critique of production functions -clarification-] Dear James: On Marx's use of abstraction in Capital I you wrote: In order to understand capitalist production in volume I, he

Marx abstraction II [Was: Query: critique of production functions -clarificati

2003-11-05 Thread Julio Huato
Dear Matías: Nowhere did I say that the production function describes the value equation. I said instead that it refers to the material substratum of the capitalist value equation. The material substratum of value is use value. By physical inputs I mean concrete labor power and means of

Re: Query: critique of production functions -clarification-

2003-11-04 Thread Devine, James
/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Matías Scaglione [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L] Query: critique of production functions -clarification- Thanks to Michael, Juriaan and Ahmet for the reference to Shaikh's

Re: Query: critique of production functions -clarification-

2003-11-04 Thread Julio Huato
What production function do we reject? And on what grounds? IMO, Anwar Shaikh's claim is that fitting an homothetic production function on aggregate data is arbitrary. As they'd say in econometrics, there's an identification problem because such data don't allow to single out the parameters.

Marx abstraction [was Query: critique of production functions -clarification-]

2003-11-04 Thread Matías Scaglione
Dear James: On Marx's use of abstraction in Capital I you wrote: In order to understand capitalist production in volume I, he deliberately and clearly abstracts from the differences among heterogeneous use-values, types of labor-power, and means of production. He uses the acid of

Marx abstraction II [Was: Query: critique of production functions -clarification-]

2003-11-04 Thread Matías Scaglione
Dear Julio: The line of my argument is very similar to the comment I sent to James Devine. You wrote: As Jim Devine wrote, Marx's description of the process of production in Capital (vol. I, part III) is akin to this idea. After all, the material substratum of the capitalist value equation,

Query: critique of production functions

2003-11-03 Thread Matías Scaglione
I am trying to write a review of critiques of the concept of production function. I would appreciate suggestions about works critisizing the very concept of production function, not merely internal logical flaws or empirical contradictions. For instance, I am interested in Marxian refutations

Re: Query: critique of production functions

2003-11-03 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
: critique of production functions I am trying to write a review of critiques of the concept of production function. I would appreciate suggestions about works critisizing the very concept of production function, not merely internal logical flaws or empirical contradictions. For instance, I am

Re: Query: critique of production functions

2003-11-03 Thread e. ahmet tonak
Here is the article Michael and Jurriaan suggested, in downloadable form: http://homepage.newschool.edu/~AShaikh/humbug2.pdf ahmet tonak Michael Perelman wrote: Shaikh, AM, (1974). "Laws of Algebra and Laws of Production: The Humbug Production Function", Review of Economics and

Re: Query: critique of production functions

2003-11-03 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
He actually wrote two articles on it. Maybe in the New Palgrave dictionary of economics, or another dictionary ? J. - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Query: critique

Re: Query: critique of production functions

2003-11-03 Thread Eubulides
http://growthconf.ec.unipi.it/papers/Felipe.pdf AGGREGATION IN PRODUCTION FUNCTIONS: WHAT APPLIED ECONOMISTS SHOULD KNOW Abstract: This paper surveys the theoretical literature on aggregation of production functions (e.g., Klein, Leontief, Nataf, Gorman, Fisher, Sato, etc.) from the point of view

Re: Query: critique of production functions

2003-11-03 Thread e. ahmet tonak
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Query: critique of production functions Shaikh, AM, (1974). "Laws of Algebra and Laws of Production: The Humbug Production Function", Review of Economics and Statistics, 61: 115-20. (1980).

Query: critique of production functions -clarification-

2003-11-03 Thread Matías Scaglione
Thanks to Michael, Juriaan and Ahmet for the reference to Shaikh's work. I should have warned you that I knew this paper, and that the very few critiques of productions functions I have found led to this paper. As I mentioned in my first mail, I am now not looking for immanent critiques of

Re: Query: critique of production functions and productive forces

2003-11-03 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
, but he considered her strategy wasn't very good. The pay was good though. Jurriaan - Original Message - From: Matías Scaglione [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: [PEN-L] Query: critique of production functions -clarification