[stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-14 Thread Charles Brown
I happened upon this in the LBO-archive. Carl Remick asked a similar question about Jeffrey Sachs in 1998. CB ^^ Has Jeffrey Sachs changed his tune... Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us mailto:lbo-talk%40lbo-talk.org?Subject=Has%20Jeffrey%20Sachs%20changed%20hi

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-11 Thread Daniel Davies
One of the interesting things about the whole imbroglio is that very, very few African states have material debts to privately owned capital. It's almost all government-to-government debt or IMF debt apart from SA, Botswana and a bit of trade finance (which IMO shouldn't really be analysed as

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-10 Thread Daniel Davies
in the career of a basically good bloke. dd -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Perelman, Michael Sent: 09 July 2004 17:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs I mentioned a couple days ago how

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/10/2004 12:27:28 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sachs has always been basically a man of the left, and has been saying sensible things about sovereign default fo longer than anyone else I can remember (including me and Richard Portes). Perhaps the

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-10 Thread Carl Remick
From: Daniel Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sachs has always been basically a man of the left, and has been saying sensible things about sovereign default fo longer than anyone else I can remember (including me and Richard Portes). Perhaps the whole Harvard Institute thing should be viewed by

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-10 Thread sartesian
. - Original Message - From: Daniel Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs Sachs has always been basically a man of the left, and has been saying sensible

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-10 Thread Carl Remick
From: sartesian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really? That's quite an aberration-- participating in the dismantling of the Russian Revolution, transforming the remnants of socialized property into private fortunes. Bingo. As with, Apart from that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln? Carl

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/10/2004 1:11:33 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Really? That's quite an aberration-- participating in the dismantling ofthe Russian Revolution, transforming the remnants of socialized propertyinto private fortunes. And now Sachs got religion?

Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-09 Thread Chris Burford
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:10 AM Subject: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3869081.stm BBC News July 6, 2004 Africa 'should not pay its debts

Re: Fw: [stop-imf] Africa should not pay its debts - Jeffrey Sachs

2004-07-09 Thread Perelman, Michael
I mentioned a couple days ago how much Jeffrey Sachs has moved to the left. Chris's message is further confirmation. As I said before, he has also been very strong on Haiti. Perhaps Paul A. has something to add about the relationship between Sachs and the United Nations. Michael Perelman

FW: May 20th URGENT Action to Stop Latest anti-Cuba Travel policy

2004-05-18 Thread Funke Jayson J
Title: FW: May 20th URGENT Action to Stop Latest anti-Cuba Travel policy Dear Freedom to Travel Activists: We need you now more than ever. On Thursday, May 20th over 100,000 US citizens will come together to protest the latest attacks against our rights to travel and the threats to Cubas

Commemorate Rachel Corrie: Stop Caterpillar, End the Occupation

2004-03-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
/article.php?id=83 for more information. --- Friday, March 19, 2004 --- Commemorate Rachel Corrie: Stop Caterpillar, End the Occupation A Vigil to Commemorate Rachel Corrie Stop Caterpillar - End the Occupation! Date Time: Friday, March 19, 2004, 5:30 PM - 6:30 PM Location: 15th Ave. High St

NEEDLESS DELAY: Stop foot-dragging on access to morning-after pills

2004-02-17 Thread Diane Monaco
Houston Chronicle Feb. 16, 2004, 2:53PM NEEDLESS DELAY Stop foot-dragging on access to morning-after pills It was a mistake for the Food and Drug Administration to put off approval for over-the-counter sales of emergency contraceptives. Not to be confused with the controversial abortion pill RU

Re: [ftaa] Send a free fax TODAY to Stop Miami Parade andDemo Ordinance

2003-11-12 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Sara Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stop Miami Parade and Demo Ordinance --Protect Free Speech During FTAA Ministerial! This Thursday, November 13, the Miami City Commission will vote on an ordinance to change current regulations that govern parades

Urgent Appeal from Berkeley Stop the War Coalition

2003-10-22 Thread Michael Hoover
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Turl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: URGENT APPEAL FROM THE BERKELEY STOP THE WAR COALITION To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * please forward widely * Dear friends: The University of California has found three students - Rachel Odes, Snehal

Re: Urgent Appeal from Berkeley Stop the War Coalition

2003-10-22 Thread andie nachgeborenen
:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Turl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: URGENT APPEAL FROM THE BERKELEY STOP THE WAR COALITION To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * please forward widely * Dear friends: The University of California has found three students - Rachel Odes, Snehal Shingavi

Re: Fiji -stop and go - (Reality check during my last trip there)

2003-06-30 Thread Grant Lee
Aldo, The following paper on Fiji may be of interest to you: Scott MacWilliam, 2002, Poverty, corruption governance in Fiji http://peb.anu.edu.au/pdf/PEB17-1macwilliam.pdf regards, Grant.

Fiji -stop and go - (Reality check during my last trip there)

2003-06-29 Thread Aldo Matteucci
Fiji: Stop Or Go? As the plane comes in from the Pacific to land in Nadi, on the north- western tip of the main Fiji island, the whitcap-spreckled blue of the ocean yields to the sinuous white line of the breakers on the reef. The shallows are green or slate coloured, with brownish pockmarks

how to stop the USA

2003-06-09 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.outlookindia.com Jun 09, 2003 Opinion How To Stop America We must become the Chartists and the Suffragettes of the 21st Century. They understood that to change the world you must propose as well as oppose. GEORGE MONBIOT Presidents Roosevelt and Truman were smart operators. They knew

Kucinich: Stop

2003-04-02 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: Kucinich: Stop Kucinich Takes to The House Floor To Call For An End to The War WASHINGTON - April 1 - Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), who leads opposition to the War in Iraq within the House, today, issued the following statement on the House floor: "Stop the war now. As Ba

Stop the Insanity

2003-03-17 Thread Moshe Pippik
Dick Chaney, George Bush's vice president says Iraq is so dangerous because it not only seeks chemical, biological and nuclear weapons but it could put those weapons of mass destruction into the hands of al-Qaeda. He doesn't stop there with his MANUFACTURED REASONS FOR ATTACKING IRAQ. The vice

Reverend Billy the Church of Stop Shopping

2002-12-27 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Reverend Billy the Church of Stop Shopping: http://www.revbilly.com/ http://stream.realimpact.org/rihurl.ram?file=webactive/demnow/dn20001122.rastart=51:20.1;. * Jill Lane, Reverend Billy: Preaching, Protest, and Postindustrial Flanerie, _TDR: The Drama Review_ 46.1 (Spring 2002

The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate: Project Saffron Dollar

2002-11-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
THE CAMPAIGN TO STOP FUNDING HATE Is US Corporate Philanthropy Funding Hate Groups In India? The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate Announces Project Saffron Dollar Are the charity dollars generously provided by American companies, including some of our leading corporate citizens of the high

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Demonstration to Stop the WAR (Fri., Oct. 11)

2002-10-09 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Please Distribute widely: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Columbus, Ohio 10/7/2002 DEMONSTRATION TO STOP WAR ON IRAQ WHAT: On Friday October 11, 2002, Statewide coalition calls on all people of conscience to participate in a DEMONSTRATION to stop the war on Iraqi children. American taxpayer dollars

Fwd: Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark Calls to UN to Stop US!

2002-09-23 Thread Sabri Oncu
This was sent to the PGA list by an old friend by the name of Bob Everton. Sabri +++ The following letter by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark has been sent to all members of the UN Security Council, with copies to the UN General Assembly. Please circulate. September 20,

Stop Bush's 'Wag the Dog' Invasion of Iraq

2002-08-01 Thread Diane Monaco
[Please sign this petition at: http://democrats.com/iraq and forward] Stop Bush's 'Wag the Dog' Invasion of Iraq To: George W. Bush, Congress, and the Media We, the undersigned, oppose the Bush Administration's plan to invade, conquer, and occupy Iraq. Iraq will accept a resumption of UN

Next stop, Vietnam?

2002-06-26 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Business Standard Tuesday, June 25, 2002 FOCUS Next stop, Vietnam? Rapid industrialisation, growing GDP, abundant natural resources - all these make the country an attractive investment destination, says Jesudas Bell Tree-lined streets, the peaceful Hoan Kiem lake around which old people

[SAAN] *NEW* Petition to Vajpayee and Musharraf to stop march toNuclear Holocaust

2002-06-05 Thread Diane Monaco
Please sign the petition and forward this link. The intention is to send this to the two, and also to the press demanding that they pay attention to the voices for peace and rapproachement. Also please forward this link on all lists. http://www.PetitionOnline.com/ip2002/petition.html To: Prime

stop US coup d'etat

2002-04-20 Thread Chris Burford
' motion would put a stop to the further deterioration of the international system of multilateral cooperation that has been built with such care and commitment since the end of the Second World War. We urge you to take the lead at the Special Session of the OPCW which opens on Sunday 21 April

Fw: [R-G] 03.04.2002 THE GRAND OIL PRICE TERRORISM CONSPIRACY - STOP!!! THE RUMORS!

2002-04-03 Thread michael pugliese
Message: 3 From: IJA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The people anarchists and authorities world wide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:24:54 +0200 Organization: International Journal of Anarchism Subject: [R-G] 03.04.2002 THE GRAND OIL PRICE TERRORISM CONSPIRACY - STOP!!! THE RUMORS

STOP!!!

2002-03-24 Thread Michael Perelman
This sort of exchange has no business here. On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 11:38:19AM -0800, michael pugliese wrote: Hey, the Reds I like as friends and comrades are mostly Trotskyists. You like the friends of Uncle Joe. Stop calling me a race baitin', red-baitin' and I'll stop calling you

Fwd: [stop-imf] Milwaukee Joins World Bank Bonds Boycott

2002-03-06 Thread Chris Burford
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Robert Weissman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [stop-imf

RE: Re: Re: Help Stop Ohio's Anti-Choice Resolution

2002-02-25 Thread michael pugliese
Anyone remember the Reproductive Rights National Network or R2N2 as us vets from NAM called it then in the 80's? http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Reproductive+Rights+National+Network%22btnG=Google+Searchhl=enie=utf-8oe=utf-8 Michael Pugliese --- Original Message --- From: Diane Monaco

Re: Re: Help Stop Ohio's Anti-Choice Resolution

2002-02-24 Thread Diane Monaco
Rakesh wrote: Diane, have you had a chance to read Rickie Lee Solinger's criticism of framing the fight for abortion rights in terms of choice (there was a favorable review in the NY TImes review of books a few weeks ago). Plus two excerpts from the amazon.com reviews: From Publishers

Help Stop Ohio's Anti-Choice Resolution

2002-02-23 Thread Diane Monaco
dangerous for women's health. TAKE ACTION! Click here to email the message below to your Ohio House Representative asking them to oppose this dangerous resolution http://www.naralaction.org/index.asp?step=2item=1121. To get involved and stop this legislation, contact NARAL Ohio at 614-221-2594

Re: Help Stop Ohio's Anti-Choice Resolution

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
[Please forward to your pro-choice friends in Ohio] Diane, have you had a chance to read Rickie Lee Solinger's criticism of framing the fight for abortion rights in terms of choice (there was a favorable review in the NY TImes review of books a few weeks ago). I have only read Solinger's

Stop This Brutality in Our Name

2002-01-24 Thread Charles Brown
Stop This Brutality in Our Name The Daily Mirror (London) January 21, 2002 Editorial Stop This Britality in Our Name THIS is what is being done in the name of humanity, civilisation and the British people

Re: lefties stop your whining

2002-01-20 Thread Patrick Bond
- Original Message - From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:56 AM While the Genoa G8 summit last July was being besieged by violent elements from Europe's middle class on the outside, the voice of Africa's poor was being heard for the first time inside.

lefties stop your whining

2002-01-19 Thread Ian Murray
Why the Left should stop whining New world politics throws up new challenges - to those who seek practical solutions and to anti-globalisation nihilists The globalisation debate - Observer special Peter Hain Sunday January 20, 2002 The Observer Globalisation is a force that does not allow

A way to stop terrorism

2001-09-12 Thread Eugene Coyle
How can the USA appoint a terrorist as our Ambassador to the UN after yesterday? Call your Senator! Gene Coyle The Senate Foreign Relations Committee has scheduled hearings on the nomination of John Negroponte as UN Ambassador tomorrow, Thursday, Sep. 13, 11 a.m. EST. We need to flood the

I said, Stop Gloating!

2001-08-23 Thread Michael Keaney
Tory civil war erupts * Major savages Thatcher * Tebbit savages Clarke * Clarke savages Duncan Smith Nicholas Watt, political correspondent Thursday August 23, 2001 The Guardian A ferocious round of internal Tory bloodletting was unleashed yesterday when John Major intervened in the

Fwd: [stop-imf] Ending Global Apartheid: Teach In for Action on the World Bank and IMF

2001-08-16 Thread Chris Burford
the organisers of this teach in, extend the concept of apartheid to talk of global apartheid? Chris Burford London Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Robert Weissman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [stop-imf] Ending Global Apartheid: Teach In for Action on the World Bank

Stop US Tax-funded Aid to Israel Now! (SUSTAIN)

2001-07-25 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Stop US Tax-funded Aid to Israel Now! (SUSTAIN) is a non-hierarchical, grassroots organization committed to supporting and sustaining the Palestinian movement for justice, human rights and self-determination. The United States government supports Israeli violations of Palestinian

Fwd: How to Stop Bush Amnesty of 3 Million Illegal Aliens

2001-07-17 Thread Julio Huato
This was sent to me off list by Michael Pugliese: From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: How to Stop Bush Amnesty of 3 Million Illegal Aliens Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:29:11 -0700 Julio Huato, I lurk on alot of Right-Wing lists. Give these nativists

Fw: [ASDnet] Stop John Negroponte!!! From NicaNet, Quest for Peace, Witness for

2001-07-16 Thread Michael Pugliese
- Original Message - From: ANDERSON DAVID [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: [ASDnet] Stop John Negroponte!!! From NicaNet, Quest for Peace, Witness for Stop Iran-Contra Criminal John Negroponte! Friday, July 6, 2001 Act

Fwd: [stop-imf] Invitation to an online forum on the third world debt crisis

2001-07-03 Thread Chris Burford
irresponsible. We need a shift of psychological and scientific perspective. Really it should not be called debt any more? Deficit? Chris Burford London Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Robert Weissman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [stop-imf] Invitation to an online forum

STOP!

2001-06-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Look, I am going to have to start asking people to unsub for a week if this nastiness continues. Jumping in to defend those who are wronged only makes things worse. Please stop this ugly behavior. Look, nobody here is an expert on Mayan or Aztec civilization or many of the others subjects

Fw: Act now to stop Bush's rewards for corporate outlaws!

2001-06-05 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Working Families e-Activist Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Act now to stop Bush's rewards for corporate outlaws! Get e-active now! The responsible contractor rule is under attack. The rule

Police repression can't stop Global Justice Movement

2001-05-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Police repression can't stop Global Justice Movement by Ernie Tate Ten thousand police were mobilised May 1 in London, against the 'threat' posed by 5000 anti-capitalist demonstrators. This grotesque overkill was accompanied by a weeks-long barrage of press hysteria, warning of 'anarchy

21 Members of Congress ask Treasury to Stop IMF-World Bank Destruction of Mozambique's Cashew Industry

2001-04-27 Thread Robert Naiman
of the IMF, Horst Köhler, promised that IMF policies would change, that the IMF would stop imposing policies on developing countries that have nothing to do with the IMF's core mission. Unfortunately, like so much rhetoric in the past concerning reform at the international financial institutions

Stop the Tuition Hike! -- Walkout on April 25 in Columbus, OH

2001-04-22 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* STOP THE TUITION HIKE! Demand Increased Funding for Higher Education! Students, Staff, Faculty WALKOUT Wednesday, April 25th, 10:30 a.m. Rally at 15th Ave. High St., 10:45 a.m. March to the State Capital, 11:00 a.m. It's time to make the Ohio State University, the other public

ACTION ALERT: ASK CONGRESS TO STOP IMF/WB OBSTRUCTION OF MOZAMBIQUE'SDEVELOPMENT

2001-03-28 Thread Robert Naiman
- Original Message - From: Robert Weissman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: [stop-imf] ACTION ALERT: ASK CONGRESS TO STOP IMF/WB OBSTRUCTION OF MOZAMBIQUE'SDEVELOPMENT ACTION ALERT Tuesday, March 27 Recent reports indicate

Stop it! [was Re: ergonomics, etc.]

2001-03-25 Thread Michael Perelman
We picked up our daughter yesterday. I am just now of wading through a ton of e-mail. The tone of this thread is pretty bad. Too much noise relative to the signal. It's too late to point fingers at its origins. So for now let us just stop it. No more recriminations. Canada is bad. Nader

Re: Stop it! [was Re: ergonomics, etc.]

2001-03-25 Thread Brad DeLong
We picked up our daughter yesterday. I am just now of wading through a ton of e-mail. The tone of this thread is pretty bad. Too much noise relative to the signal. It's too late to point fingers at its origins. So for now let us just stop it. No more recriminations. Canada is bad. Nader

Re: Re: Stop it! [was Re: ergonomics, etc.]

2001-03-25 Thread Michael Perelman
. Really, Brad, this thread is going nowhere. Everybody knows what you think. You are not convincing anyone and none of us are going to convince you. I wrote: The rationale for supporting Nader seemed to be an effort to stop the rightward drift. Brad responded No. There were four

Re: Re: Re: Stop it! [was Re: ergonomics, etc.]

2001-03-25 Thread jdevine
Brad, that 3 percent of the vote was enough to sink the Gore campaign is a sad commentary on what the Democrats had to offer. With regard to voting for Nader at no cost to Gore, Nader voters in California certainly had no effect and knew it before hand. right! It's like those Democrats who

Re: Re: Re: Stop it! [was Re: ergonomics, etc.]

2001-03-25 Thread Colin Danby
, especially if it challenges views Michael holds, he tries to stop it. It is particularly revealing that Michael's last e-missive combined a substantive response to Brad with a request that he shut up. Best, Colin

Re: Stop it! [was Re: ergonomics, etc.]

2001-03-25 Thread Michael Perelman
is for any more, save idle chat among the like-minded. Every time a discussion gets into any critical depth, especially if it challenges views Michael holds, he tries to stop it. It is particularly revealing that Michael's last e-missive combined a substantive response to Brad with a request

Stop the GATS call to action sign-on letter

2001-03-02 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
and profound effect on a wide range of public services and citizens' rights all over the world. Below is a statement, Stop the GATS Attack Now!, which has been prepared by an international network of civil society organizations working on WTO issues. As with previous initiatives like No New Round! and Shrink

Stop the light

2001-01-18 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Single-Page Format Scientists Bring Light to Full Stop, Hold It, Then Send It on Its Way By JAMES GLANZ Researchers say they have slowed light to a dead stop, stored it and then released it as if it were an ordinary material particle. The achievement is a landmark feat that, by reining in nature

Re: Stop the light

2001-01-18 Thread Tom Walker
Scientists Bring Light to Full Stop, Hold It, Then Send It on Its Way But can they stop the time? Tom Walker Sandwichman and Deconsultant Bowen Island, BC

ACTION: Tell Amazon.com Stop Unionbusting!

2000-11-28 Thread Nathan Newman
HELP STOP UNIONBUSTING AT AMAZON.COM!!! Amazon.com has mounted a major antiunion campaign against workers seeking to exercise their right to unionize, holding captive audience meetings, pressuring individual employees and mounting libelous attacks on unions in general. Tell this anti-union

Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-13 Thread Michael Hoover
It is interesting how narcissistic this list has become -- totally focussed on the US and the selection of its imperial majesty. Now I realize how important American domestic politics is for the rest of the world -- since domestic politics in the US can result in thousands of deaths of

Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-13 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:56 AM 11/13/00 -0500, you wrote: Be it resolved: That since everyone (US and non-US) is told incessantly that US prez is "most powerful elected official in world" and That since above is unfortunately true *and* really fuckin' dangerous Everyone, everywhere on earth has right to vote for

Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Justin Schwartz
movement. Whether that happens only after the election will show. Btw, if we are so deluded, why do you hang out with us, rather than with your sane liberal friends? And stop blaming Nader for your guy's inadequacies. If he loses, _he_ blew a near-sure thing. Don't look to us, we do not share his

Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . What would you suggest I call this refusal to recognize that, for the American left, yesterday was a strong and significant defeat? Brad DeLong Since politics is about what people think, to a great extent at least, the fact that the movement(s) coalescing behind Nader have improved

Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread phillp2
It is interesting how narcissistic this list has become -- totally focussed on the US and the selection of its imperial majesty. Now I realize how important American domestic politics is for the rest of the world -- since domestic politics in the US can result in thousands of deaths of

RE: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
From: Michael Perelman: How could a decent Democratic candidate not win with the economy going relatively well and no big international problems against such an inept rival? --- i guess this is a rhetorical question, but i'll bite anyway. Big Al showed the masses

Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting how narcissistic this list has become -- totally focussed on the US and the selection of its imperial majesty. Now I realize how important American domestic politics is for the rest of the world -- since domestic politics in the US can result in

Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
The person whom I've called "incompetent" most often during the past week has been Al Gore. I presume you have no objection to me calling him "incompetent"? That it all depends on to whom the names are applied? As for Nader... You somehow think that the left in America is stronger today

Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
Brad, hang it up. The thing is, we don't accept your iron cage. We don't accept defeat. We won't go away. Maybe we're mad, whether happy or not, but you won't make nice but unhappy liberals out of us. So you agree that for you politics is a means of self-expression, rather than an attempt to

Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
BDLThe political naivete of people who think that the White House is some kind of dictatorial center of power continues to astonish me. BDLAnd in the process he has thrown the election to the right-wing candidate, with important differences over the next four years for the Supreme Court... the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
Since politics is about what people think, to a great extent at least, the fact that the movement(s) coalescing behind Nader have improved definition -- as a collectivity -- means the left is progressing. The low Nader vote is not a great help in this vein, but it does not detract from the

Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread phillp2
Doug asks: Canada has an election coming up, no? Maybe you could tell us something about that. Doug Well, perhaps Ken and some of the others on the list should also put their takes on it, but here is mine. The governing Liberals (equivalent to your Democrats) are likely to win a

Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
the credit for the economy the way Clinton was, and how was one to escape the onus of Monica? Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4131] Stop the name

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Max Sawicky
I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership capacity. mbs I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies on the right" does not a large movement make when you

Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Michael Perelman
The VP doesn't do that much, although people say that he was decisive welfare reform. Gore was a good campaigner when he could set the stage himself with no interaction, otherwise, he was terrible. His strategy stunk. Few anti-clinton people would have supported him even if he had attacked

Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: The VP doesn't do that much, although people say that he was decisive welfare reform. Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it. Doug

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Justin Schwartz
in the first place. From a purely selfish point of view, as well as from the point of view of effectiveness, there's nothing there for us, isn't that right? --jks From: Brad DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:4190] Re: Re: Re: Stop the name

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership capacity. mbs I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies on the right" does not a large movement make when you start

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
Michael Perelman wrote: The VP doesn't do that much, although people say that he was decisive welfare reform. Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it. Doug I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's

Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Michael, I agree. But, who would have done better aside from Clinton himself? Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:08 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4195] Re: Re: Stop the name

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2000-11-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? ** I don't know; do you think Rosa Parks was impressive or was that too, a one-shot prisoners dilemma type game? We won't go into, why, if N was so ultimately empty a threat, your religious group and that other church worked

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2000-11-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it. Doug I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? Brad DeLong The New York Times, August 1, 1996, Thursday, Late Edition - Final THE

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2000-11-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Brad DeLong wrote: I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? The person I first heard it from got it from Dick Morris' book, I think, but someone told me last night that Peter Edelman has been saying the same thing. Doug

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2000-11-09 Thread Michael Perelman
who is he. Where did this appear? Lisa Ian Murray wrote: BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? ** I don't know; do you think Rosa Parks was impressive or was that too, a one-shot prisoners dilemma type game? We won't go into, why, if N was so ultimately empty a

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2000-11-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Wellstone? "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: Michael, I agree. But, who would have done better aside from Clinton himself? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2000-11-09 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:53 AM 11/9/00 -0800, you wrote: You think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? Maybe it was impressive once you think of the fact that Nader voters were showered by a sh*t-storm of abuse and fear-mongering. The more that Nader seemed to be getting, the more the fear level was ratcheted

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2000-11-09 Thread Ken Hanly
and Liberals the rest. Our choices are if anything even more depressing on the whole than in the US. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4192] Re: Re: Stop the name calling

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2000-11-09 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Michael, Would be better than a lot. So might Russ Feingold. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4211] Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

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2000-11-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
MP who is he. Where did this appear? Lisa Ian Murray wrote: David Ellerman is tucked away working on firm governance issues in Eastern Europe for the WB. He also worked closely with Stiglitz when he was there. The quote comes from "Intellectual Trespassing as a Way of Life"

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2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? ** I don't know; So in other words, you don't.

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2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it. Doug I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? Brad DeLong Thanks... Brad DeLong

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2000-11-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? ** I don't know; So in other words, you don't. ** Thank you God for collapsing the unpredictability of the future with your unsurpassable foreknowledge of 21st century political-economic history. I realize your

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2000-11-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad, There's no place here for calling people incompetent. I voted for Nader. I would not have changed my vote even if it could've been decisive for electing Gore. I believe in the cold shower. You don't. That's no reason to be nasty toward other people. And I'm not looking forward to four

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2000-11-08 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: How could a decent Democratic candidate not win with the economy going relatively well and no big international problems against such an inept rival? The left simply has to wean itself from *any* attraction to the Democratic Party. I wouldn't vote for myself on a

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2000-11-08 Thread Justin Schwartz
. And he _is_ supposed to be charismatic . . . --jks From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:4131] Stop the name calling Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 08:45:57 -0800 Brad, There's no place here for calling people incompetent. I voted

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2000-11-08 Thread Michael Perelman
for the ballot does not mean he couldn't be a candidate. And he _is_ supposed to be charismatic . . . --jks From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:4131] Stop the name calling Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 08:45:57 -0800 Brad

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