Britain is not a superpower. Our interests are best protected, not by
unilateral action, but by multilateral agreement and a world order
governed by rules.
Well articulated by Robin Cook (not one of my former comrades!) on his
resignation from the UK government. Strictly an imperialist
Title: Re: [PEN-L:35785] the nature of the
war
Yesterday, I had a
conversation with a friend who's been on the left for about 55 years.
He suggested that Bush's war may actually be against the collective
interests of the ruling class, the product of a small clique within
that class.
I suggested
The poem looked good but I did not have any clue about what it
said. Could you please post a Korean translation of this so that
I can understand? Mongolian will do just fine too. They are all
sister languages of my language.
Best,
Sabri
Point taken. What about Korea?
At 10:20 19/03/03 -0800, Eugene Coyle wrote:
Isn't it the point that BOTH in Vietnam and now, the Congress didn't
have family and friends in the enlisted ranks?
Gene Coyle
Robert Scott Gassler wrote:
I'm sorry but I cannot make too much of that. I remember the
On Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 02:17:25 (-0800) Sabri Oncu writes:
The poem looked good but I did not have any clue about what it
said. Could you please post a Korean translation of this so that
I can understand? Mongolian will do just fine too. They are all
sister languages of my language.
Best,
Thanks I was hoping for one although that translation is prety wicked to say the least. I think the korean looked better.
Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 02:17:25 (-0800) Sabri Oncu writes:The poem looked good but I did not have any clue about what itsaid. Could
20 March 2003
HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS APPEALS TO PARTIES IN IRAQ CONFLICT TO RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS AND HUMANITARIAN LAW
The following statement was issued today by United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Sergio Vieira de Mello:
As hostilities begin in Iraq, I appeal to the
Chris Burford wrote:
We will see how the peace movement responds and evolves, and we can each
make our personally minuscule contribution to the debate. Peace now, or
Cease fire now, may remain the main slogans, but a purely pacifist
position will isolate the movement from its wide hinterland,
The problem with trying to figure this out is that nobody
can figure out why we want war so badly. What is the
objective? To distract attention from the economy
until Nov, 2004? To get control of Iraq's oil? To assert
US power? To bring democracy to the Middle East?
Certainly, the ruling
Title: Message
He
is also President of the National Bureau of Economic Research, a very
presitigous private economic research organization. They have the official
word, for some reason, on announcing whether the country is in a recession or
not. More importantly NBER status determines
Title: re: the nature of the war
There are two aspects to the question. First, there's the ruling elite that Dan writes about (the Clump), the one that's currently led by the Bushists. But I was also talking about the ruling class, a larger group that controls the means of production and
So you have given at least three key reasons why is it so difficult to
figure out. The whole strategy is available in public domain sources,
although some of it is a bit hidden in ideological fog.
See this website, the Bible of the Hawks or at least one of the Holy
sources.
Title: profile in courage
I couldn't find the specific reference in today's L.A. TIMES, but on the front page there was a small picture of Bush with something like the following, from memory:
President Bush showed his fist and said I feel great.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does PNAC, as in PNAC people, stand for?
Carrol
Project for the New American Century. The first URL in my post takes you to
their website. Many of the people involved have close ties to the Bush
government. Here is an example of documents released by the PNAC. Notice all
the big gun hawks involved Rumsfeld, Cheney et al...
There was nothing
Or deconstruction for u PMscheers, Ken Hanly
From the CASI discussion list
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/bush-m20.shtml
The twenty lies of George W. Bush
By Patrick Martin
20 March 2003
Monday night's 15-minute speech by President Bush, setting a 48-hour
deadline
In a message dated 3/20/03 5:10:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To the contrary, a "pacifist" (in the sense of being opposed to the
right of the imperialists to make war) position is the only one that
principled Marxists, radicals and progressives can put forward. As far
International Commission of Jurists (Geneva)
http://www.icj.org/news.php3?id_article=2770lang=en
Iraq - ICJ Deplores Moves Toward a War of Aggression on Iraq / La CIJ
déplore l'annonce d'une guerre d'agression contre l'Irak / La CIJ lamenta
los anuncios de una guerra de agresion contra Irak
On Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 09:16:50 (-0800) Devine, James writes:
I couldn't find the specific reference in today's L.A. TIMES, but on the
front page there was a small picture of Bush with something like the
following, from memory:
President Bush showed his fist and said I feel great.
Sort
Bill Lear wrote:
Sort of like Truman's exclamation that the day of the bombing of
Hiroshima was the greatest day in history?
And didn't Dean Acheson say the weeks following the beginning of the
Korean War were the most glorious in history?
Doug
I don't know what the situation was during the Korean police action. It
was close in time to WWII when romantic patriotism still ran high.
And it was a time when the draft was scooping up in ways less
preferential (though still preferential) than during Vietnam.
And this is just a feeling,
Having looked at the PNAC website..
Man, oh man, talk about a cabal.
Brings to mind the
Stonecutters' Song from the Simpsons:
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do! We do!
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the martians under wraps?
We do! We do!
Who
I have head absolutely nothing about this in the mainstream media...
Cheers, Ken Hanly
ZNet | Iraq
Uniting For Peace
Russian Duma, Many Others, Call For Un uniting For Peace
by Jeremy Brecher; March 20, 2003
US LAUNCHES PREEMPTIVE ATTACK AGAINST UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY
All over the world,
Parliament Square was packed this evening. The demonstration had been going
on since midday, and with people coming and going there could have been
tens of thousands who took part throughout the day. The Guardian reported
5,000 by 3:15pm.
The mood was like that on Feb 15 but more serious.
Title: Re: 535 members of Congress and ...
Gene writes: this is just a feeling, but it seems Congress itself was more like
the US, i. e. some real people and fewer blow-dried creatures of polls
and corporate money.
I'm afraid that back in the good old days, it was just a different kind
I'm afraid that back in the "good old days," it was just a different kind of a sleaze-bag, like the small-town businesscritter who's gone to Congress... people like Truman. And small businesspeople are most often _less_ progressive than the corporate types.
Independence, MO (HTS's hometown and
is there a
correlation between corruption and jazz? it makes sense for Chicago and New
Orleans...
what is the
explanation of this correlation, if it exists?
why doesn't
this correlation work for rock n roll, or does it? did it work for Baroque
music, back when Bach was hot?
If the
For what it's worth, I think the original connection went
corruption--brothels and speakeasies and underground clubs--jazz and
sometimes blues. A prominent source of corruption was Prohibition,
during which jazz was the hot dance music of the day. Nowadays corruption
has no particular
Title: profile in courage (corrected)
from today's [3/20/03] L.A. TIMES, page 3 (Decision comes at Marathon Meeting by Maura Reynolds):
Just before he went on the air, as aides were applying makeup, Bush was seen pumping his fist and telling an aide, Feel good.
Jim
Sounds like a beer commercial.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 05:23:15PM -0800, Devine, James wrote:
from today's [3/20/03] L.A. TIMES, page 3 (Decision comes at Marathon
Meeting by Maura Reynolds):
Just before he went on the air, as aides were applying makeup, Bush was
seen pumping his fist and
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20030320-75800736.htm
Roberts was a very conservative Reagan Treasury dept economist, who taught
at Haavaaard I recall.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
March 20, 2003
7 p.m. PST
Sacramento, CA
Hi All,
My wife and I just returned from a rally and demo against the U.S.-led
attack on Iraq, held at 16th J Streets in Sacramento. About 500 people
attended, including many youth of color. One group of students had
attended an anti-war rally at
Title: Re: [PEN-L:35826] profile in courage
(corrected)
from today's [3/20/03]
L.A. TIMES, page 3 (Decision comes at Marathon Meeting by
Maura Reynolds):
Just before he went
on the air, as aides were applying makeup, Bush was seen pumping his
fist and telling an aide, Feel
good.
I always
He's a combination of nativist, racist, isolationist,
and free marketeer. He's also part of this weird
VDARE site. I forget how I happened across it.
http://www.vdare.com/
(take it away, Pugliese!)
mbs
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20030320-75800736.htm
Roberts was a very
He also had a column in Business Week for years and was one of the
mainstays of the Wall Street Journal ed. page during the heyday of supply
side economics.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Devine, James wrote:
BTW, I wish that people wouldn't attack this fellow Zizek as a way to
attack other people on pen-l. This Aesopian way of writing produces
such
bizarre events as when I criticized Stalin a month or
- Original Message -
From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:25 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:35760] Re: RE: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet
The big obstacle to overcome on the left is, to put it very bluntly,
nationalism.
The loss of one human life is one too many
4 minutes ago on MSNBC
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35827] Re: profile in courage (corrected)
here's to good wars...
-Original Message-
From: Michael Perelman
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3/20/2003 5:56 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:35827] Re: profile in courage (corrected)
Sounds like a beer commercial.
On Thu, Mar 20,
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35831] Re: profile in courage (corrected)
Dan writes:
I always suspected Clinton of being something other than what he claimed to be, especially when he said he tried pot but didn't inhale. (The more significant question would have been, of course, Did you drop acid?)
- Original Message -
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I was eleven-twelve in '72-'73, living in San Diego at the US Naval
Hospital at the edge of Balboa Park, my dad was in charge of receiving
large numbers of Vets and making sure that they had a sympathetic
welcome
mat and
Richard Perle is now advising Global Crossing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/21/business/21GLOB.html
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2003/03/20/042.html
Thursday, Mar. 20, 2003. Page 7
Report: U.S. Plans to Tap $40Bln Iraq Account
More than $40 billion from Iraqi crude sales are sitting in an escrow
account controlled by the United
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, k hanly quoted a CESR report stating:
It is the height of hypocrisy for the U.S. and U.K. to base war on
Resolution 1441 when they are fully aware that France, Russia and China
approved that resolution on explicit written condition that it could not be
used by individual
It was some consolation to hear Tony Blair in his speech to the nation on
UK tv last night emphasise that Iraqi oil would be put in a trust fund for
the Iraqi people.
But there is a slight snag. This should be their resource anyway. Why
should it be used to pay for the economic costs of a war
The EU has warned Turkey not to send troops into northern Iraq, where the
Kurds have autonomy.
This is an example of an imperialist move, for imperialist reasons, which
in the concrete situation, is progressive.
It is progressive because it reduces the risk of harm to the unity of the
working
At 2003-03-20 08:10 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Chris Burford wrote:
We will see how the peace movement responds
and evolves, and we can each make our personally minuscule contribution
to the debate. Peace now, or Cease fire now, may remain the main slogans,
but a purely pacifist position will
Jazz and corruption: Jazz (the term is old slang for sex, as in "jazz me baby") was originally New Orleans whorehouse music, based in the "protected" red light district of Storyville, shut down in an abortive effort at protective the morals of servicemen in WWII, thus distributing the music all
While coming back from a dental appointment on the number one train to
Columbia University, I noticed somebody begin speaking in the middle of
the car, Ladies and Gentleman, may I have your attention... Since he
was dressed reasonably well, I wondered why he would be forced to
beg--fully
Dear Bill,
I hope you don't mind me writing you out of the blue like this, but scruffy
sans-culotte Marxists like myself don't have much other recourse besides
the Internet when it comes to answering Professor Emeritus types like yourself.
In the last few days you have come into my radar
Bill Domhoff wrote:
for a Marxist, you don't seem to have much appreciation for structure,
except of course in the economyat least so I gather from reading your
last paragraphthe recent I didn't waste my time on...but your
arrogance is breath taking, of course, and what else is new, and
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