sure, the NBER is conservative and very much so. And Robert Hall is a hack (at least
since he got out of the haberdashery biz ;-)). But the point remains that it's not the
CEA that dates biz cycles. And it's a mistake to blame Dubya for the recession. He
does deserve the blame for fighting the
Yes it is the NBER, but the CEA apparently ignores this for its own
self-serving dating.
Michael Yates
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From: Devine, James
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:26
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Subject: Re: [PEN-L] bragging
Mike Yates writes: In the
aha!
there's a contradiction between what the NBER said and what the CEA now says. In
any event, it's a mistake to blame either Bill or Dubya for the recession.
Economic reports at odds over
when recession began [from the SF Chron, at
Who on pen-l is making this mistake?
Michael Yates
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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aha!
there's a contradiction between what the NBER said and what the CEA now
no-one. But some people do, including (it seems), the
CEA.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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more than a week ago, Mike Ballard wrote:
Rousseau's, 'Noble Savage' is an idealized stereotype
of indigenous people as found throughout the world.
Its features include the exaltation of the character
in wilderness settings, an
Michael Hoover wrote:
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Washington Post, Tuesday, February 17, 2004
Killing the Music
By Don Henley
Simply put, artists must regain control, as much as possible, over
their
music.
The writer is a singer and drummer with the Eagles and a founding
member
of the
luv it.
And don't forget Mojo Nixon's masterpiece, Don Henley Must Die.
He's a tortured artist
Mojo Nixon! The greatest live performer in the history of rock n' roll, and a
libertarian to boot. I could spend all day quoting Mojo Nixon. In fact, whenever I
question my value as a lawyer, I just quote Mojo:
There's a plague on the planet,
and they went to law school.
A bunch of
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Davis Meshano wrote:
Mojo Nixon! The greatest live performer in the history of rock n' roll,
and a libertarian to boot. I could spend all day quoting Mojo Nixon.
A libertarian? Wow! That leads to an interesting question. How many other
rightwingers made a living as rock-and-rollers? The only one
Pat Boone.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 01:04:56PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Davis Meshano wrote:
Mojo Nixon! The greatest live performer in the history of rock n' roll,
and a libertarian to boot. I could spend all day quoting Mojo Nixon.
A libertarian? Wow! That leads to an interesting
Title: dems, etc
Do we need to keep huge pressure on
the Dems? Hell yes.
The best way to do that is to push from the left and don't vote
for them.
Bush has a long way to go before he kills as many people in Iraq
as Clinton did, estimated at more than 1 million (compared to current
estimates of
It's a crime to mention Mojo Nixon without mentioning Skid Roper. Or for that matter,
their friend, the late, great, Country Dick Montana (of the Beat Farmers).
Jim Devine
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From: David B. Shemano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 2/20/2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/20/04 1:04 PM
Davis Meshano wrote:
Mojo Nixon! The greatest live performer in the history of rock n'
roll,
and a libertarian to boot. I could spend all day quoting Mojo Nixon.
A libertarian? Wow! That leads to an interesting question. How many
other
rightwingers made a
Dan Scanlan:
The best way to do that is to push from the left and don't vote for them.
Bush has a long way to go before he kills as many people in Iraq as
Clinton did, estimated at more than 1 million (compared to current
estimates of tens of thousands in this war segment).
I was thinking about
Metallica
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Brilliant analysis from a soft rock icon
Pat Boone.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 01:04:56PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Davis
Mark Farner (of Grand Funk Railroad infame).
Metallica
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Brilliant analysis from a soft rock icon
Pat Boone.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at
In my rightwing days, I used to read Dylan's My Back Pages as a
libertarian anthem (see lyrics below). Reasons: ideas as my map
(e.g., Soviet planning rather than Hayekian spontaneous order); lies
that life is black and white (critique of Communist certainty); and
especially the use of the word
Title: Message
Well,
I am unsure that the system can be reformed from within. But, two initiatives
come to mind:
1)
Attempting to constrain the hegemonic American system from without through
popular initiatives (perhaps coordinated through the World Social Forum) to
boycott the products of
My friend Joel Schalit (interviewed on the topic of anti-Semitism,
and the Counterpunch book on the topic in particular, at
http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html) listed some
right-wing rock bands (some dupes from my list):
-Skrewdriver (OG British racist band,70s-80s)
-Centurion (late
Title: Message
Ordinarily I think that what I have written is pretty plebeian. But
these students (as well as those in Jim Craven's classes at Clark college
where I lectured in December)really seemed to like my
book.They said that it was both interesting and accessible and
Ted Nugent is a right wing rocker.
My Back Pages is certainly -- ehatever else it is -- a
definite kiss-off to Popular Front fellow-travelling
pro-Communism of the Weavers/Pete Seeger sort. See
also It's All Right Ma, from Bringing It All back
Home, even more definitively:
While some on
Doug writes:
In my rightwing days, I used to read Dylan's My Back Pages as a
libertarian anthem Reasons: ideas as my map
(e.g., Soviet planning rather than Hayekian spontaneous order); lies
that life is black and white (critique of Communist certainty); and
especially the use of the word
Louis Proyect writes:
A libertarian? Wow! That leads to an interesting question. How many other
rightwingers made a living as rock-and-rollers? The only one I can think of
is Ted Nugent. Maybe you can include Stereolab as well. They were hanging
around Frank Furedi's cult for a while. Other
I assume all successful rock-and-rollers are libertarians. They believe
in making a lot of money and spending it on drugs. I believe that is the
official Libertarian Party platform in 2004.
David Shemano
A desire to make money is not particularly libertarian. I associate
libertarianism with Ayn
As Ursula Huws points out in her fine new book, "The Making of a
Cybertariat" (disclosure: I did most of the editing for Monthly Review
Press. You can hear her interview with Doug Henwood in his LBO radio
archives. Doug was very impressed with her), it is often hard to
categorize workers
I assume all successful rock-and-rollers are libertarians.
They believe in making a lot of money and spending it on
drugs. I believe that is the official Libertarian Party
platform in 2004.
David Shemano
wouldn't the ingestion of drugs encourage right-wing libertarian politics by
In 2002, the total value of US imports according to the BEA international
transactions table was $1.2 trillion and specifically imports from China
were $125 billion, implying that Chinese imports were 10.7% of total US
imports.
However, in BEA's GDP table, total imports were valued at $1.4
On Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:45:39 (-0800) Devine, James writes:
...
wouldn't the ingestion of drugs encourage right-wing libertarian
politics by destroying brain cells, too? Cocaine encourages delusions
of grandeur, also encouraging such views.
Bloody peasant.
Bill
I wrote:
wouldn't the ingestion of drugs encourage right-wing libertarian
politics by destroying brain cells, too? Cocaine encourages delusions
of grandeur, also encouraging such views.
Bill Lear writes:
Bloody peasant.
who me?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Louis Proyect writes:
A desire to make money is not particularly libertarian. I associate
libertarianism with Ayn Rand, von Mises and people like that. Big time
rock-and-roll musicians would as soon get a reputation for boosting Atlas
Shrugged as they would for blaming the Jews on the
Neil Peart, the drummer for Rush, is famous for being a Randian, and their
album 2112 is basically Rand's novel Anthem.
Can't say that I am surprised. That's a little like telling me that Billy
Joel has a lawn jockey.
You have to expand your idea of what a libertarian is. Irving Kristol
said a
Louis Proyect wrote:
I was thinking about this stuff this morning. It occurs to me that
one of
the worst things about the anybody but Bush line of thinking,
especially
from self-described Marxists, is that it amounts to a Great Man theory of
history. You have national elections every four years
David B. Shemano wrote:
You have to expand your idea of what a libertarian is. Irving
Kristol said a liberal is one who says it's all right for an 18 year
old girl to perform in a pornographic money as long as she gets paid
the minimum wage. A libertarian would delete the part about the
minimum
joanna bujes wrote:
I gag at the thought of voting for Kerry, but I will because I think
Bush and his gang are not merely reacting to the passing of the
post-war boom: I think they are looters and goons who will continue to
wreak destruction if re-elected.
I don't see a huge diff between dems and
Doug writes:
Of course, porn is one of the few areas where women are paid more
than men - a lot more. I saw a documentary about Ron Jeremy, a
20-year porn veteran, complaining that a woman could just walk on the
set and get paid more than he would.
a trend?
February 20, 2004/New York TIMES.
--- Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
I gag at the thought of voting for Kerry, but I
will because I think
Bush and his gang are not merely reacting to the
passing of the
post-war boom: I think they are looters and goons
who will continue to
wreak destruction if
a 20-year porn veteran, complaining that a woman could just walk on the
set and get paid more than he would.
Seems he should credit, rather than blame, women for making him hard up.
Dan
That surprises me, I would assume that getting an erection on demand
requires some skill -- but maybe not for the 20 to 30 crowd.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
David B. Shemano wrote:
You have to expand your idea of what a libertarian is. Irving
Kristol said a liberal is one who says it's all
Joanna Bujes:
I gag at the thought of voting for Kerry, but I will because I think
Bush and his gang are not merely reacting to the passing of the
post-war boom: I think they are looters and goons who will continue to
wreak destruction if re-elected.
Really? As Dan Scanlan pointed out, more Iraqis
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From: David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Neil Peart, the drummer for Rush, is famous for being a Randian, and their
album 2112 is basically Rand's novel Anthem.
=
NP has moved on from the cult of Rand and 2112 today sounds like Fox, CNBC
and MTV
Greenspan Warns Against 'Protectionist Cures'
By Martin Crutsinger
AP Economics Writer
Friday, February 20, 2004; 1:53 PM
WASHINGTON -- Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned on Friday
that protectionist cures being advanced to deal with the country's job
insecurities would make the
Surely it'd be possible to correlate Herfindahls Ginis, no? Hasn't
someone done this?
Doug
gini I understand as a coefficient allowing some guess at level of equality.
What is a Hefindahl please?
Thanks,
Hari
joanna bujes wrote:
I gag at the thought of voting for Kerry, but I will because I think
Bush and his gang are not merely reacting to the passing of the
post-war boom: I think they are looters and goons who will continue to
wreak destruction if re-elected.
I don't see a huge diff between dems and
Lou wrote:
I don't see a huge diff between dems and repubs. BUT Kerry won't
privatize social security and won't make the judicial appointments that
the Bush gang will make. It's not much, but it's something. The dems
also set up different expectations for fairness and legality than do the
Says Juriaan:
CDC suggests the 2002 rise in American infant mortality may be a one-time
blip, and the US infant mortality rate for 2003 is expected to drop.
Previous CDC research suggested the recent rise in infant mortality may
reflect the long trend among American women toward delaying
Good point. Here's another question my little sister asked me the other
day: If the popular vote doesn't mean anything, why do we vote?
Joanna
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
I gag at the thought of voting for Kerry, but I will because I think
Bush and his gang are not merely
Hari, I think you should add another factor to your list: women are not
only giving birth later, but having children in a fairly stressed state
(because of working full time until the last minute)...and having to
return to work sometimes days after delivery. Surely that doesn't help.
Joanna
Hari
Good point. Here's another question my little sister asked me the
other day: If the popular vote doesn't mean anything, why do we
vote?
Joanna
The popular vote doesn't mean much, but voter registration work does.
While you are registering people to vote, you can hand out
information about local
For what is worth, I partially agree. Here are 2 paragraphs from my
Further Pathology book.
Of course, the category of services, as such, has no fixed meaning. In
fact, the service industry is not really an industry at all. Instead,
it is a catchall category that includes all businesses that
http://ArnoldWatch.org Weblog February 20, 2004 11:30 am
Arnold's $100,000 per day habit 1% Rebate
by Jamie Court
As the 100th day of the Arnold Administration approaches next
Tuesday, campaign finance reports show the Governor who said he
didn't need anyone else's money will have raised more
What of the contradiction here: if the right really wants to get behind a
draft, why is it that the sponsors in the House are Conyers and Rangel, who
would be in favor because 1) selective service this time would, in the bill
drafted, not allow loopholes for the privileged, and 2) the absence of a
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/19/nchina19.xml
'I blagged my way through, reading a torn-up textbook and ad libbing' By
Stewart Payne and Becky Barrow (Filed: 19/02/2004)
An Oxford engineering student was surprised but undaunted when he was
approached to deliver a
Right on, Ralph. If the chickenhawks want an empire,
let them be ready to send their own kids to battle for
it. Lest we forget, it was Nixon who got rid of the
draft in favour of the all (poor prole) volunteer
military.
Regards,
Mike B)
--- Ralph Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What of the
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point. Here's another question my little
sister asked me the
other day: If the popular vote doesn't mean
anything, why do we
vote?
Joanna
The popular vote doesn't mean much, but voter
registration work does.
While you are registering
Hari Kumar wrote:
gini I understand as a coefficient allowing some guess at level of
equality. What is a Hefindahl please?
Thanks,
Hari
The Herfindahl is the sum of the squared market shares. H = 1 means
monopoly. H = 1/n (for n very large) means a perfectly competitive
market.
Julio
Right on, Ralph. If the chickenhawks want an empire, let them be
ready to send their own kids to battle for it. Lest we forget, it
was Nixon who got rid of the draft in favour of the all (poor
prole) volunteer military.
You see, that's why I think it will take a Democratic president to
reinstate
David B. Shemano wrote:
You have to expand your idea of what a libertarian is. Irving
Kristol said a liberal is one who says it's all right for an 18
year old girl to perform in a pornographic money as long as she
gets paid the minimum wage. A libertarian would delete the part
about the minimum
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
[clip] [quoting Doug]
Our revolutionary
maximalists don't like to hear that - for them, it's either all or
nothing.
Doug, you know damn well that all Yoshie and I have talked about on
these lists for a couple years concerns the best way of winning REFORMS,
NOW, inside
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right on, Ralph. If the chickenhawks want an
empire, let them be
ready to send their own kids to battle for it.
Lest we forget, it
was Nixon who got rid of the draft in favour of the
all (poor
prole) volunteer military.
You see, that's why I
Let's cool down.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 08:59:12PM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
[clip] [quoting Doug]
Our revolutionary
maximalists don't like to hear that - for them, it's either all or
nothing.
Doug, you know damn well that all Yoshie and I have talked about
But my question is based on the assumption that Kerry plainly represents the
same class interests as Bush, and Nixon, and that with the atrophy of the
Dems' 'prole' support, as the DLC Dems as exemplified by Kerry and Lieberman
as well as Gephardt, move ever rightward (not so to the same extent in
a week or so ago, Jim D. made the point with which I agree that some of the Democrats
differ from the Republicans in that they take a larger time horizon. Also, they can
represent different factions. Historically, the Democrats favored Savings and Loans;
the Republicans, banks.
But what do we
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a week or so ago, Jim D. made the point with which I agree that some of
the Democrats
differ from the Republicans in that they take a larger time horizon.
Also, they can
represent different factions. Historically, the
I have no argument with that . The point I was after is not whether Kerry is
a progressive, but that I don't think that we're going to have a draft with
the support of a Dem administration any more than with the support of a
Repug - and as I see it, subject to correction by anyone here, the
Julio:
Hari Kumar wrote:
gini I understand as a coefficient allowing
some guess at level of equality. What is a
Hefindahl please?
Thanks,
Hari
The Herfindahl is the sum of the squared market
shares.
A kind of garbage, that is. I like the sum of the
cubed market shares better.
As some
Michael P. writes:a week or so ago, Jim D. made the point with which I agree that
some of the Democrats
differ from the Republicans in that they take a larger time horizon. Also, they can
represent different factions. Historically, the Democrats favored Savings and Loans;
the Republicans,
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