--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first rule of politics for political leaders on
the side of the proletariat in the American Union is
that if the New York Times or Washington Post run a
story on China . . . position yourself in opposition
to it and you will be on the right side of the
polarity .
Speaking Up about Our Abortions in Public:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/08/speaking-up-about-our-abortions-in.html
--
Yoshie
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* Calendars of
There are also reports of college students who jumped from
high-rise dormitory buildings in protest of the governments timid "peaceful"
policy over Taiwan independence. The suicide-protestors wanted the
government to take Taiwan for force right now and stand up to US bullying.
The report
Chris Doss wrote:
For the NYT or WP, everything bad that happens in
China or Russia is the result of a nefarious plot
hatched in Beijing or Moscow. For the life of me I
can't understand why people who would be
hypersceptical over these papers' coverage of, say,
Venezuela cite them as impeachable
The Soviet Union was defeated, as was the Ottoman Empire before it
and Yugoslavia after it -- first economically, later politically
(mainly from inside the the Soviet Union, its multinational elites
acting against its multinational masses) or with a combined
political, economic, and military
It is difficult to understand Putin's organization without understanding
its reliance on oil. In the 1980's, the Soviet Union was the world's
largest producer of crude, ahead of Saudi Arabia. The bulk of the 12
million barrels produced each day fueled the Soviet economy and its
anemic satellites
THE NATION
Marine Lands in Film, Collides With Superiors
A military spokesman is silenced after candid comments in a movie on Al Jazeera and
Iraq war.
By Mark Mazzetti
Times Staff Writer
August 2, 2004/L.A. TIMES
WASHINGTON - For most of the central figures in the documentary film Control
The Soviet empire was not extortionary, in the sense of providing a
bounty of riches to the imperial center, as India and other colonial
holdings had done for Britain in the 19th and 20th centuries; instead,
it was a drain on Moscow. Without oil, the heirs of Lenin would have had
great difficulty
Some scholars (sorry, I don't have the reference here) argue that even the British
empire wasn't profitable for Britain as a whole. But it clearly benefited the upper
classes, who were more important in decision-making.
Jim Devine
The British Empire operated on a capitalist basis, whether or not
Devine, James wrote:
The Soviet empire was not extortionary, in the sense of providing a
bounty of riches to the imperial center, as India and other colonial
holdings had done for Britain in the 19th and 20th centuries; instead,
it was a drain on Moscow. Without oil, the heirs of Lenin would
Carrol Cox wrote:
If you consider the conditions of English workers in the 1840s 1850s
as described by Marx Engels, and if in addition you consider the
_change_ for the worse of that condition between (say) 1750 and 1840,
also as described by Marx Engels, and if, finally, you consider that
the
The problem, unfortunately, is there has never been anything other than a
scorched earth march to fully developed capitalist property
relations --anywhere, ever. Therefore, the issue becomes: is such a march
historically progressive, despite the human toll? Marx, of course, answered
in the
Some scholars (sorry, I don't have the reference here) argue that even the British
empire wasn't profitable for Britain as a whole. But it clearly benefited the upper
classes, who were more important in decision-making.
Jim Devine
LP: The British Empire operated on a capitalist basis,
Jim Devine:
so the USSR didn't have classes? what principles did it follow? was
Stalin a benevolent despot?
reply: Jim, it is totally exhausting to reformat your email. Why can't
you get somebody to configure your MS Outlook, or do it yourself. Here's
how to do it:
1. Select tools/option
2. Select
Marvin Gandall wrote:
The problem, unfortunately, is there has never been anything other than a
scorched earth march to fully developed capitalist property
relations --anywhere, ever. Therefore, the issue becomes: is such a march
historically progressive, despite the human toll? Marx, of course,
Devine, James wrote:
it's clear that the USSR subsidized its satellites, but that doesn't make it any
less of an empire, since the USSR didn't grant its allies independence until the
USSR itself was falling apart.
I'm not sure what to call the USSR dominance of its allies, but I
think it
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it's clear that the USSR subsidized its satellites,
but that doesn't
make it any less of an empire, since the USSR didn't
grant its allies
independence until the USSR itself was falling apart.
All it says is
that you can't generalize from US-dominated
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/2/2004 11:16:33 AM
Put another way, to label the U.S. and the USSR with the same label,
empire -- and hence to suggest that there is some analogy between
the
relationship USSR/Cuba and US/Puerto Rico -- is just too violent
an
abstraction, it leaves too little material content
Chris Doss wrote:
There are lots of Soviet jokes depicting Castro as
sucking at Brezhnev's teat.
I used to work with Russian émigrés at Goldman-Sachs. This was in the
late 1980s, when the USSR was still functioning. One of their biggest
complaints was that Moscow was wasting money on the
Bailout Feared if Airlines Shed Their Pensions
By Mary Williams Walsh
New York Times
Sunday 01 August 2004
In an echo of the savings and loan industry collapse of the 1980's, the
federal agency that insures company pensions is facing a possible cascade of
bankruptcies and
The Democratic Party-Party Is Over
by Ralph Nader, votenader.org
The Democratic Party-Party Convention is over, and its singular memory
will be its predictable banality and the commercialism that mostly
financed it.
Historically, conventions were newsworthy because there was a struggle
over
Schumpeter made that argument in his essay, Imperialism.
On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 06:57:20AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
Some scholars (sorry, I don't have the reference here) argue that even the British
empire wasn't profitable for Britain as a whole. But it clearly benefited the upper
I'm a long time lurker on marxmail, reading just about every day for
over a year. I was moved to forward this Charlotte Observer article
(now in the registrant-only archives) on Democratic Party efforts to
keep Nader off the ballot in my home state of South Carolina. Kerry has
no shot of winning
I wrote:so the USSR didn't have classes? what principles did it follow? was
Stalin a benevolent despot?
LP: reply: Jim, it is totally exhausting to reformat your email. Why can't
you get somebody to configure your MS Outlook, or do it yourself. Here's
how to do it:
1. Select tools/option
2.
I wrote: it's clear that the USSR subsidized its satellites, but that doesn't make
it any less of an empire, since the USSR didn't grant its allies independence until
the USSR itself was falling apart.
CC wrote: I'm not sure what to call the USSR dominance of its allies, but I
think it is
Chris Doss writes:
Russians lived more poorly than people in any other of
the republics or in the Eastern Bloc (except maybe
Albania?). Moscow may have been a possible exception.
It's one of the reasons why Russia junked them.
Ironically, those losses of subsidies have resulted in
the wealthiest
Devine, James wrote:
I've tried all this before (those specific instructions don't work with
my MS Outlook 2000: SR-1, 9.0.0.3821) - and I've complained to the IT
folks (and people on pen-l). So I'm trying to see how MS Word (2000,
9.0.3821 SR-1) works as my e-mail editor. Of course, the on-line
I would say that USSR/Hungary or USSR/Czechoslovakia would be more like US/Puerto Rico, whereas
USSR/Cuba might be more like US/England. Of course, no analogies are perfect.
jim devine
Although it is impossible precisely to evaluate the gains and losses
in intra-Comecon trade it is generally
South China Morning Post, Aug. 2
Police shoot villagers in land dispute, report says
by: Staff Reporter
Dozens of people in Shijiahe village in Zhengzhou, Henan province, were
reportedly injured yesterday when police arrested troublemakers who
had organised protests over land deals approved by
The mask of altruism disguising a colonial war
Oil will be the driving factor for military intervention in Sudan
John Laughland
Monday August 2, 2004
The Guardian
If proof were needed that Tony Blair is off the hook over Iraq, it came
not during the Commons debate on the Butler report on July
I never disagreed with this.
Jim Devine
LP quotes: Although it is impossible precisely to evaluate the gains and losses
in intra-Comecon trade it is generally agreed that the USSR was
subsidizing Eastern Europe and that over time this subsidy was rising
largely because of the growing opportunity
The problem, unfortunately, is there has never been
anything other than a "scorched earth march to fully developed capitalist
property relations" --anywhere, ever. Therefore, the issue becomes: is such a
march historically progressive, despite the human toll? Marx, of course,
answered in
JD:If (1) the bureaucrat belongs to a social stratum that controls the
state in a despotic way - enough to kill or imprison those who oppose
their rule - and (2) the state owns the most important means of
production, then doesn't that bureaucrat have a social power akin to
other ruling classes?
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Devine, James wrote:
If you think about the power to fire workers, bequeath property to
their sons or daughters, sell/strip assets, etc., you're thinking about
a specifically capitalist form of class power. (Did the Pharaoh have the
ability to the power to fire workers, bequeath property to their
NY Times, August 2, 2004
Convictions Intact, Nader Soldiers On
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
SANTA MONICA, Calif., Aug. 1 - To Ralph Nader, the Democratic convention
in Boston was a hollow charade that made Senator John Kerry, the
Democratic presidential nominee, seem more like President Bush than
ever.
In a message dated 8/2/2004 10:28:39 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russians lived more poorly than people in any other of the
republics or in the Eastern Bloc (except maybe Albania?). Moscow may have been a
possible exception. It's one of the reasons why Russia junked
[was: RE: [PEN-L] The Soviet empire was a drain on Moscow]
LP: Well, we seem to have a different understanding of class. I consider ownership of
the means of production to be crucial. Like a feudal lord owning land, or a Southern
Bourbon owning slaves.
There's more than one kind of class power.
Pieinsky wrote:
Questions for Henry from an old Maoist:
(1) Aren't you concerned at all about the evidence of
increasing class disparities and the consequent rise of open class struggles
(workers' strikes, farmers' protests, etc.) in "Red" China? What do these
occurrences mean, in your
Forwarded from Jurriaan Bendien:
See about this Patrick Karl O'Brien, Imperialism and the Rise and Decline
of the British Economy,
1688-1989, New Left Review 238 (1999).
I met O'Brien (LSE) in Amsterdam at a Mandel seminar. He's quite clued up
about the historical data and some material is
As for whether China would be a good model for the
rest of the Third World, let the people of the Third World decide for
themselves. We don't need self-righteous academics in the West to
pronounce what is an ideologically correct model for the Third World. The
sad fact is that the Western
Have You Forgotten? (A Small Victory, a blog on the right, created
a visual reminder of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I doubt that such
a reminder will do the right any good at this point. Anyhow, I've
photoshopped the image created by A Small Victory -- the slogan Have
You Forgotten? superimposed
Louis Proyect wrote:
I recommend that you read Theodor Shanin's Late Marx, which makes a
convincing case that Marx rejected the notion of universal models of
development.
I haven't read Shanin's book. But reinterpreting Marx has been the fashion
ever since the socialist revolution he foresaw
Marvin Gandall wrote:
societies. For Western Marxists like Louis who still see their societies as
rotten ripe for socialism -- and predicate their political behaviour on
that assumption -- it can be demoralizing to acknowedge that Marx may have
been a good analyst of capitalism, but wrong about
No Bounce for Kerry:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/08/no-bounce-for-kerry.html.
In a message dated 8/2/2004 4:55:52 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have tried to get in touch with Michael and Sabri, but I
think that the situation is so urgent that the obvious step has to be taken of
terminating the thread which started with discussion of The
LP writes: The next time that somebody gets the impression that I see the USA as
rotten ripe for socialism has permission to give me 50 lashes with a
cat o'nine tails. Except for Jim Devine, that is.
You didn't like it the last time?
Jim Devine
Jim thought you would like this site.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080304W.shtml
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/04 6:22 PM
No Bounce for Kerry:
bounce thing is extremely overrated, has had little relation to
electoral winner, if memory serves, with exception of clinton in 92,
candidates with biggest bounces have lost (and carter almost lost), most
have been dems...
in any event,
I was struck by the same thing as Michael H. I doubt that they will reciprocate for
the Dems.
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 12:24:33AM -0400, Michael Hoover wrote:
related point: tv media abandoned past convention coverage in giving
reps so many opportunities to sprinkle on dem parade...michael
Associated Press
Quebec Wal-Mart Could Become Unionized
08.02.2004, 07:41 PM
A Wal-Mart store in Quebec may become the retail giant's first unionized
outlet after the Quebec Labor Relations Board accredited a union there to
represent the workers.
The Quebec Federation of Labor announced the
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