>On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
>>the socio-biological claim that people differ because they differ
>>genetically is called RACISM, which is what Wilson does eventually.
>This is the crux of the matter. If one supposes that culture is
>determined
>by genes, then one is left explai
For the record, the Steve referred to below is Steve Rosenthal, not me...
Steve (The "PEN Steve")
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
> >
>
> > >Steve wrote:
Mine asks:
>
> Ted, why are you "radicalizing" Marshall and Keynes? In the final
> analysis, they are fundamentally different from Marx? aren't they?
>
I don't think the study of ideas in general or of the history of ideas in
particular is an intellectual version of World Wide Wrestling.
I'm
>
> >Steve wrote:
> >
> >>> Because of these sharp
> >critiques, Wilson reinvented himself as an
> > >> environmentalist concerned about bio-diversity.
>
Brad replied:
> >If it is an excellent piece of Marxian sociology, why does it make
> >false claims about Wilson's intellectual developme
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> I have always liked Branko Horvats definition of political economy
> as "a fusion of economic and political theory into one single social
> theory."
This implies that they were ever separate. The allocation of resources
is obviously the most political of acts, and th
>Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that
>prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk
>on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology.
>Steve wrote:
>
>>> Because of these sharp
>critiques, Wilson reinvented h
You have to scroll down a bit to get to the story, but it's worth reading.
Steve
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Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that
prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk
on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology.
moreover, it is a serious critique of socio-biological assumptions about
huma
>A Marxist sociologist Steve Rosenthal replies to those who think
>that there is no problem
>with studying genome.
>
>
>Mine Aysen Doyran
>PhD Student
>Department of Political Science
>SUNY at Albany
>Nelson A. Rockefeller College
>135 Western Ave.; Milne 102
>Albany, NY 1
>
> Because of th
A Marxist sociologist Steve Rosenthal replies to those who think that there is no
problem
with studying genome.
This is the "real" side of Wilson, not the progressive Wilson as he is perceived by
some.
>Steve Rosenthal
>
> How Science is Perverted to Build Fascism:
>
>In Canada, as Rod indicates, it has taken a very special meaning
>as indicated in this quote from Wally Clement and Glen Williams,
>edicated collection _The New Canadian Political Economy_.
>"while political economy is based on a tradition that investigates
>the relationship between economy
Michael has urged looking at the Greek meaning of economic to understand the meaning of
political economy. We should also look at the Greek root of politics. It derives from
polis. And doesn't necessarily carry the meanings inherent in the modern word
political.
Rod
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>As I mentioned in the last note, Marshall was instrumental in formalizing
economics,
>because he resented people from other fields interjecting themselves into
economic
>debates.
>--
>Michael Perelman
Thank goodness he's not subbed to PEN-L.
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As far as Marshall's politics are concerned. He was firmly in the British liberal
tradition of charity towards his social inferiors. And resented it when workers spoke
for themselves.
As far as dialectics and Marshall are concerned. In a sense there is a dialectic in
Marshall. He is one of the fe
excellent book in Marxian psychology from a world systemic perspective..
I am sure it will help our discussion on political economy..
Mine
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The term, political economy, grew out of the earlier turn, economy, which meant
the management of an estate. In the 17th century, Montechretian wrote the first
book using the term political economy. He meant managing not just a single
estate, but the whole state. It was not so much that it was
Ted, why are you "radicalizing" Marshall and Keynes? In the final
analysis, they are fundamentally different from Marx? aren't they?
Mine
Ted wrote:
Another illustration of this influence, an illustration connected to this
first one, is Marshall's Marxist treatment of labour in capitalism as
Jim Devine understands what Marshall was about. Yes, he wanted labor to improve,
but improvement meant becoming more middle-class. Keynes, Marshall, and Smith
all had a similar vision of labor becoming assimilated into the middle-class.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State U
Michael wrote:
> Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins of
> neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan).
>
I have always liked Branko Horvats definition of political economy
as "a fusion of economic and political theory into one single social
theory."
I
Ted Winslow wrote:
Ted's description of Marshall seems to follow Keynes's description of Marshall.
Keynes's Marshall is an attractive figure. The real Marshall was not. While he
would, in his earlier years and even from time to time in the Principles, make
idealistic statements about labor, he
>That is not the case in Canada. Here it is more usually associated with
>the
>left nationalist.
very true point, Rod! I have always beleived that there is something
interesting to look at in canadian leftism, eventhough canada
is one of the core capitalist powers. Once, the left was associate
Equilibrium might have been a central concept with Marshall but he was aware
that there might not be one under certain cost conditions. Telser says of
Marshall: "This conclusion, together with Marshall's well-known statement that
a seller might not lower his price 'for fear of spoiling the mark
>Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins
>of
>neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan).
>Barnet Wagman wrote:
>> The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international
>> political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term
a very interesting post!
Ted Winslow writes: > These influences show up in a number of essential
ways in Marshall's economics. For instance, Marshall takes a "dialectical"
view of social interdependence. This underpins his conception of "caeteris
paribus" and his use of the term "normal".<
At 10:34 AM 04/08/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international
>political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term is
>almost entirely unrelated to its use by Smith or Marxians or Buchanan
>(in case things weren't confusing enough
Michael Perelman quoted the following passage from Marshall's *The Economics
of Industry*:
>The Economics of Industry (1879), p. 2: "The
> nation used to be called 'the Body Politic'. So long as this phrase was in
> common use, men thought of the interests of the whole nation when they used
> t
That is not the case in Canada. Here it is more usually associated with the
left nationalist.
Rod
Michael Perelman wrote:
> Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins of
> neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan).
>
> Barnet Wagman wrote:
>
> > The term 'int
[In 1956 the American left faced many of the same problems it faces today.
The 1950s were a period of political retreat accompanied by a boom that
showed no signs of slowing down. A discussion broke out in the pages of the
radical National Guardian newspaper about the relevance of Marxism to the
n
Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins of
neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan).
Barnet Wagman wrote:
> The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international
> political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term is
> a
The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international
political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term is
almost entirely unrelated to its use by Smith or Marxians or Buchanan
(in case things weren't confusing enought).
Barnet Wagman
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Concrete evidence of racism and fascist trends in Austria -
In view of the debate about Haider, I think the list should consider the
facts and the arguments in the below.
It was forwarded to me by the National Civil Rights Movement (started
last year in Britain as a result of a number of cases o
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