Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
>On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: >>the socio-biological claim that people differ because they differ >>genetically is called RACISM, which is what Wilson does eventually. >This is the crux of the matter. If one supposes that culture is >determined >by genes, then one is left explai

Of Steve Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread Stephen E Philion
For the record, the Steve referred to below is Steve Rosenthal, not me... Steve (The "PEN Steve") Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: > > > > > >Steve wrote:

Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Ted Winslow
Mine asks: > > Ted, why are you "radicalizing" Marshall and Keynes? In the final > analysis, they are fundamentally different from Marx? aren't they? > I don't think the study of ideas in general or of the history of ideas in particular is an intellectual version of World Wide Wrestling. I'm

Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
> > >Steve wrote: > > > >>> Because of these sharp > >critiques, Wilson reinvented himself as an > > >> environmentalist concerned about bio-diversity. > Brad replied: > >If it is an excellent piece of Marxian sociology, why does it make > >false claims about Wilson's intellectual developme

Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have always liked Branko Horvats definition of political economy > as "a fusion of economic and political theory into one single social > theory." This implies that they were ever separate. The allocation of resources is obviously the most political of acts, and th

Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread Brad De Long
>Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that >prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk >on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology. >Steve wrote: > >>> Because of these sharp >critiques, Wilson reinvented h

Bolivia declares emergency over protests - April 8, 2000

2000-04-08 Thread Stephen E Philion
You have to scroll down a bit to get to the story, but it's worth reading. Steve Subject: CNN.com - Bolivia declares emergency over protests - April 8, 2000 http://cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/04/08/bolivia.emergency.reut/index.html Title: CNN.com - Bolivia declares emergency over protests -

Bolivia under Martial Law!

2000-04-08 Thread Seth Sandronsky
All, Bad news from Bolivia. Seth Sandronsky Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 Subject: URGENT MESSAGE FROM JIM SHULTZ/Bolivia under Martial Law! Dear Friends: Just a few hours ago Bolivia was declared under martial law. People are being arrested, the army is occupying the streets, human rights off

Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology. moreover, it is a serious critique of socio-biological assumptions about huma

Re: Re: genome news

2000-04-08 Thread Brad De Long
>A Marxist sociologist Steve Rosenthal replies to those who think >that there is no problem >with studying genome. > > >Mine Aysen Doyran >PhD Student >Department of Political Science >SUNY at Albany >Nelson A. Rockefeller College >135 Western Ave.; Milne 102 >Albany, NY 1 > > Because of th

Re: genome news

2000-04-08 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
A Marxist sociologist Steve Rosenthal replies to those who think that there is no problem with studying genome. This is the "real" side of Wilson, not the progressive Wilson as he is perceived by some. >Steve Rosenthal > > How Science is Perverted to Build Fascism: >

Re: Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy" (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
>In Canada, as Rod indicates, it has taken a very special meaning >as indicated in this quote from Wally Clement and Glen Williams, >edicated collection _The New Canadian Political Economy_. >"while political economy is based on a tradition that investigates >the relationship between economy

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marshall

2000-04-08 Thread Rod Hay
Michael has urged looking at the Greek meaning of economic to understand the meaning of political economy. We should also look at the Greek root of politics. It derives from polis. And doesn't necessarily carry the meanings inherent in the modern word political. Rod -- Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Louis Proyect
>As I mentioned in the last note, Marshall was instrumental in formalizing economics, >because he resented people from other fields interjecting themselves into economic >debates. >-- >Michael Perelman Thank goodness he's not subbed to PEN-L. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxma

Re: Re: Re: Marshall

2000-04-08 Thread Rod Hay
As far as Marshall's politics are concerned. He was firmly in the British liberal tradition of charity towards his social inferiors. And resented it when workers spoke for themselves. As far as dialectics and Marshall are concerned. In a sense there is a dialectic in Marshall. He is one of the fe

further reflections on the connection between economics, social,political and ideological. new book: From Earth Spirits to Sky Gods (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
excellent book in Marxian psychology from a world systemic perspective.. I am sure it will help our discussion on political economy.. Mine -- Prof. Chris Chase Dunn wrote: of relevance for comparing world-systems is a new book by Bruce Lerro _From Earthspirits to Sky Gods: The Socioecological

London: Electronic Cultural Atlas June Meeting (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
> From: Jack Owens, Idaho State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ** > > ANNOUNCEMENT > > The Electronic Atlas Cultural Initiative Conference > > British Library, London > June 26-28, 2000 > > Additional Meetings of ECAI Tech, E

Re: past and future of multilateral institutions (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
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Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Michael Perelman
The term, political economy, grew out of the earlier turn, economy, which meant the management of an estate. In the 17th century, Montechretian wrote the first book using the term political economy. He meant managing not just a single estate, but the whole state. It was not so much that it was

Re: Re: the expression "political economy" (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
Ted, why are you "radicalizing" Marshall and Keynes? In the final analysis, they are fundamentally different from Marx? aren't they? Mine Ted wrote: Another illustration of this influence, an illustration connected to this first one, is Marshall's Marxist treatment of labour in capitalism as

Re: Re: Marshall

2000-04-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim Devine understands what Marshall was about. Yes, he wanted labor to improve, but improvement meant becoming more middle-class. Keynes, Marshall, and Smith all had a similar vision of labor becoming assimilated into the middle-class. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State U

Re: Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread phillp2
Michael wrote: > Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins of > neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan). > I have always liked Branko Horvats definition of political economy as "a fusion of economic and political theory into one single social theory." I

Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Ted Winslow wrote: Ted's description of Marshall seems to follow Keynes's description of Marshall. Keynes's Marshall is an attractive figure. The real Marshall was not. While he would, in his earlier years and even from time to time in the Principles, make idealistic statements about labor, he

Re: Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy" (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
>That is not the case in Canada. Here it is more usually associated with >the >left nationalist. very true point, Rod! I have always beleived that there is something interesting to look at in canadian leftism, eventhough canada is one of the core capitalist powers. Once, the left was associate

Re: Re: Marshall

2000-04-08 Thread Eugene Coyle
Equilibrium might have been a central concept with Marshall but he was aware that there might not be one under certain cost conditions. Telser says of Marshall: "This conclusion, together with Marshall's well-known statement that a seller might not lower his price 'for fear of spoiling the mark

Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy" (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
>Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins >of >neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan). >Barnet Wagman wrote: >> The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international >> political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term

Re: Marshall

2000-04-08 Thread Jim Devine
a very interesting post! Ted Winslow writes: > These influences show up in a number of essential ways in Marshall's economics. For instance, Marshall takes a "dialectical" view of social interdependence. This underpins his conception of "caeteris paribus" and his use of the term "normal".<

Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:34 AM 04/08/2000 -0500, you wrote: >The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international >political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term is >almost entirely unrelated to its use by Smith or Marxians or Buchanan >(in case things weren't confusing enough

Re: Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Ted Winslow
Michael Perelman quoted the following passage from Marshall's *The Economics of Industry*: >The Economics of Industry (1879), p. 2: "The > nation used to be called 'the Body Politic'. So long as this phrase was in > common use, men thought of the interests of the whole nation when they used > t

Re: Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Rod Hay
That is not the case in Canada. Here it is more usually associated with the left nationalist. Rod Michael Perelman wrote: > Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins of > neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan). > > Barnet Wagman wrote: > > > The term 'int

Which Way to a New American Radicalism?

2000-04-08 Thread Louis Proyect
[In 1956 the American left faced many of the same problems it faces today. The 1950s were a period of political retreat accompanied by a boom that showed no signs of slowing down. A discussion broke out in the pages of the radical National Guardian newspaper about the relevance of Marxism to the n

Re: Re: Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Usually today people use the term when they are writing are the margins of neo-classical economics (that includes Buchanan). Barnet Wagman wrote: > The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international > political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term is > a

Re: Re: the expression "political economy"

2000-04-08 Thread Barnet Wagman
The term 'international political economy' is/was used by international political scientists like Susan Strange - their use of the the term is almost entirely unrelated to its use by Smith or Marxians or Buchanan (in case things weren't confusing enought). Barnet Wagman email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Racism and Fascism in Austria

2000-04-08 Thread Chris Burford
Concrete evidence of racism and fascist trends in Austria - In view of the debate about Haider, I think the list should consider the facts and the arguments in the below. It was forwarded to me by the National Civil Rights Movement (started last year in Britain as a result of a number of cases o