Brad de Long wrote:
Nationalist militarism is truly a powerful and insidious poison.
One need only study the ends to which the entire Falklands debacle was used
by Margaret Thatcher herself. Prior to the invasion (which, incidentally,
was known of for months in advance by MI6 and the FCO) the
From Brad to Nestor:
No, we wouldn't. We wouldn't particularly in a semicolony such as
Argentina, where the deeds of those you call "nationalist-
militaristic" were in fact deeds effected during a revolutionary war,
a war that carried the flags of the most modern ideas in the times
against
So as I said back at the beginning of this: it's much better to have
a square filled with banners from supermarkets competing to sell you
better food cheaper than one filled with statues teaching that dulce
et decorum pro patria mori...
Most country towns in Australia have a park where the
One thing that always struck me is that second-generation
postmodernists ( later models) seldom exhibit any familiarity with
primary philosophical texts (Plato, Kant, Rousseau, Hegel, etc.) on
which first-generation postmodernists -- Derrida Co. -- make
endless marginal comments. That
Not only Brad DeLong but also Mike Kearney. OK, politics is a long
exercise in patience... As Toussaint Louverture said: "La France
entiére vient contre nous!"
Will answer to just two basic assertions here, which are the only
ones that matter. As to condemnation of "militarism", won't return
En relación a [PEN-L:1448] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GD,
el 7 Sep 00, a las 22:12, Brad DeLong dijo:
The first
hyperinflation was a coup d'etat. It was provoked intentionally
(there are proofs and declarations in this sense, as well as there
are others on the milder hyperinflation
If, as Tam Dalyell has shown, Thatcher prepared the war in order to
win her elections...
How did Thatcher do that? Did she bribe the Junta to send troops to
the Malvinas Islands?
Brad DeLong
The population in
the Malvinas are the result of forcible eviction, by a British fleet,
of the legal
Here's a song for lovers of liberty: La Marseillaise. Militant
patriotism at its most full-blooded. Nestor's description of an
Argentine nationalist icon sounds serene, with its sense of duty to
patria fulfilled, in comparison to La Marseillaise.
Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote:
I reserve to my own people the right to resort to
military means (or any other) to put an end to this abject era of
imperialist exaction and social crime that Argentina is passing
through since 1975 at least..
Fair enough. I am surprised, however, by your
En relación a [PEN-L:1449] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w,
el 7 Sep 00, a las 22:26, Brad DeLong dijo:
I think this is--as a result of the reference to the Argentine
Junta's attempt to conquer the Malvinas Islands, and
unintentionally
on Nestor's part--game and set to me
A lot of
En relación a [PEN-L:1460] Re: Aux armes citoyens! (was A sligh,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 4:51, Brad De Long dijo:
Here's a song for lovers of liberty: La Marseillaise.
Yoshie
Touche...
It *has* always made me feel a little bit creepy...
Yes, of course, because it does not come from a
En relación a [PEN-L:1459] Re: Imperialist progressivism (was R,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 4:46, Brad De Long dijo:
So Galtieri's strategy would have worked: the domestic opposition on
the left would have forgotten his crimes and thrown their support
behind his regime--if only he had won his
Dear Michael Kearney,
I apologize for my harshness on you. It is evident that you are
interested in discussion, not in deploying your wisdom on me as Brad
does. So that excuse me if, for the time being, I cannot answer to
your posting (by the way, I am afraid that we are getting too far
away
I realize that routine animation has been taken over by 3rd world
factories, but I know we had 3 well known animators in Winnipeg (I
think one was nominated for an academy award or at least the film
he worked on was). They (or one or two) were contracted by
Disney I believe to develop
An obvious problem with Reich's proposal, which he
blithely overlooks, is that rich suburbs would not take
the vouchers. Massachusetts (where Reich lives)
already has in place a system which allows students
in poorly funded districts to transfer to another
district. The town where the
Yes, Reich has flunked political economy 101. He has been seduced by the
delusion of "choice" when we already have much evidence how the notion of
choice plays out among poor people. Residents of the inner city use welfare
dollars to obtain housing, and get slums; they have medicaid, and
I have read and indeed taught the major pomos poststructuralists--Derrida, DeMan,
Foucault, DeLeuze Guttari, Baudrillard, Lyotard, Rorty, and made an effort to get a
grip on Irigaray, Kristev, Butler, and Spivak. I am pretty confident that they share a
family resemblance in advocating:
1)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/08/00 01:34AM
truth is partisan (to the working class),
((
CB: Hear , hear ! My kind of epistemology.
And as Maurice Cornforth says in _Materialism and the Dialectical Method_
"Every philosophy expresses a class outlook. But in contrast to the
At 09:58 PM 09/07/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Brad, quoting the bible written by that charlatan Milton Friedman doesn't
prove a thing. It's the logical fallacy of appeal to authority -- or to
appeal to a slogan that has captured the minds of the orthodox school of
economics.
I didn't quote
At 10:26 PM 09/07/2000 -0700, you wrote:
--Governments that throw people out of helicopters into the South Atlantic
have no business ruling anybody, let along waging war to increase the
number of people they rule.
what if they dump them into the South China Sea? Brad, you're threatening
to
At 09:35 AM 09/08/2000 +0300, you wrote:
Brad de Long wrote:
Nationalist militarism is truly a powerful and insidious poison.
Michael Keaney leaves out the apparent punch-line in his response to the
above: Margaret Thatcher also suffered from the disease of "nationalist
militarism," in an
Never knew the words to this. Yuck.
I guess you had to be there.
mbs
Here's a song for lovers of liberty: La Marseillaise. Militant
patriotism at its most full-blooded. Nestor's description of an
Argentine nationalist icon sounds serene, with its sense of duty to
patria fulfilled, in
I didn't quote Friedman, who said "inflation is always and everywhere
a monetary phenomenon." I misquoted him, saying "hyperinflation is
always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon."
I think that the first is false, and the second is true...
Brad DeLong
Seems to me that either statement is
So, how did feminism start?
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Subject:[PEN-L:1394] Re: Being serious about Pomotismo (with quotes for
Doug)
I think you are right, but understand that pomo is not a philosophy. It is
a way of analyzing theory, methods, almost anything that uses language and
metaphor. At its base it points out misnomers and illogical arguments. It
is dialectical criticism of theory. It is a lot more, but I am hoping
(Senator Albert Beveridge, who was Senator from Indiana between 1899-1911,
gave this campaign speech on September 16, 1898.)
The March of the Flag
It is a noble land that God has given us; a land that can feed and clothe
the world; a land whose coastlines would inclose half the countries of
Friedman's words are often cited as gospel. He is correct that increases
in the money supply validate inflation but I don't think that it is the
cause. For example prices fell in the late 19th C. because of
competition, not a smaller money supply. As firms consolidated, prices
began to rise.
The debate on the Falklands/Malvinas is troubling. I thought the the outcome
meant that Thatcher triumphed politically, while the junta had to face political
defeat, eventually.
As to rights, such matters are troubling. I live on property stolen from the
Mexicans who stole it from the Native
Driving into work, on US National Public Radio I heard a conservative
economist from the Center for the Study of American Business commenting on
Al Gore's economic plan. Despite the source, he made two valid points:
1) the Gore plan asserts that shrinking government deficits (growing
He did all right, except at the end. His punchline was
that the boom is due to the Fed's zeal against inflation.
mbs
Driving into work, on US National Public Radio I heard a conservative
economist from the Center for the Study of American Business commenting on
Al Gore's economic plan.
JKSCHW wrote,
I have read and indeed taught the major pomos
poststructuralists--Derrida, DeMan, Foucault, DeLeuze Guttari,
Baudrillard, Lyotard, Rorty, and made an effort to get a grip on
Irigaray, Kristev, Butler, and Spivak. I am pretty
confident that they share a family resemblance
Jim Devine wrote:
As someone who was outside the process, my impression was that the recent
wave of feminism that came out of the 1960s anti-war and other movements in
the US was a reaction to the male chauvinism of the "New Left" leaders.
I can give one dramatic instance (with the proviso
I agree with Paul and Nestor's point about the difference in class
structure, and Paul's work on Canada's WW1 financing is an excellent
illustration of the consolidation of an indigenous bourgeoisie.
Nestor, I think, has put his finger on the critical difference -- neither
Canada nor Australia
An obvious problem with Reich's proposal, which he
blithely overlooks, is that rich suburbs would not take
the vouchers. Massachusetts (where Reich lives)
already has in place a system which allows students
in poorly funded districts to transfer to another
district. The town where the
Brad DeLong wrote:
Brad, quoting the bible written by that charlatan Milton Friedman
doesn't prove a thing. It's the logical fallacy of appeal to
authority -- or to appeal to a slogan that has captured the minds
of the orthodox school of economics.
I didn't quote Friedman, who said
At 12:51 PM 9/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
He did all right, except at the end. His punchline was
that the boom is due to the Fed's zeal against inflation.
I missed that (perhaps because some jerk cut me off in traffic). Did you
get the economist's name?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people?
Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature,
which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and
apologetics for the status quo?
Doug
At 10:12 AM 9/8/00 -0700, you wrote:
". . . their epigones in the American academy amplify and vulgarize them
to a ludicrous extent. . . "
isn't that what epigones always do, no matter what the school of thought?
isn't that what defines epigones?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:06 PM 9/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people?
Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature, which
is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and apologetics
for the status quo?
Russell Roberts. I think he was from Washington U./St. Louis.
Here's the link:
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/2908.me.08.rmm
mbs
At 12:51 PM 9/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
He did all right, except at the end. His punchline was
that the boom is due to the Fed's zeal against inflation.
I
Keaney Michael wrote:
. Few could condone the actions of the desperate Galtieri junta.
But, given that the UK govt had plenty of advance warning over his planned
invasion, the war was not only unjust, but wholly unnecessary. The Thatcher
govt is as implicated for having allowed it to
Doug Henwood wrote:
Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature,
which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and
apologetics for the status quo?
The economists are clearly of the enemy, and are recognized as such by
all on the left. So I would say
Michael Keaney wrote to Nestor:
Had Thatcher lost the
war her carreer would have melt down.
That is very probable.
snip
I am convinced that many in the Western Powers will
"explain" away, with the shallowness of an empyricist sociologist
from Harvard or London, that we Argentinians were
I appreciate and am edified by Justin's summary below.
Seems to me also behind much of the work of this school of thought is the project of
getting more support for women's and gay liberation on the Left, and reputedly for
liberations of peoples of color ( socalled new social movements).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people?
Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature,
which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and
apologetics for the status quo?
Doug
Hume Deleuze, Hayek Foucault,
Jim Devine wrote:
BTW, Doug, is this the comparison we want to make (pomotistas vs.
neoclassical econ.)? isn't there a third alternative, like reading
LBO?
Well of course. But I'm biased.
Carrol Cox wrote:
The economists are clearly of the enemy, and are recognized as such by
all on the
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Hume Deleuze, Hayek Foucault, Keynes Queer Theory: clues for
inter-disciplinary research in political economy postmodern
philosophy?
Excellent idea; want to collaborate?
Doug
Dear Colleagues,
The faculty at Eastern Michigan University have gone out on strike.
They are asking people to write letters of support to the President of
EMU.
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Send a copy of your letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The University cut them off from their web page. They have a new
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Hume Deleuze, Hayek Foucault, Keynes Queer Theory: clues for
inter-disciplinary research in political economy postmodern
philosophy?
Excellent idea; want to collaborate?
Doug
That will be really interesting. As a matter of fact, it is you who
gave me a hint by
Dubya has a list of economist endorsements now.
It ran in USA Today in selected markets. Focus
is on the fiscal kosherness of his tax cut, the
need to cut government spending, vouchers, and
free trade.
The Nobels are Friedman, Lucas, Buchanan, Scholes,
Becker, and Mundell. There seems to be a
Yoshie writes:
In the case of many -- though by no means all -- postmodernists, they have
progressed from anti-Stalinism to anti-Leninism to anti-Marxism to finally
anti-Jacobinism. Most explicitly in the case of Laclau Mouffe:
ellipsis
... Laclau and Mouffe assert that the concept of the
I tried to avoid getting reimmersed in these
recurrent pen-lpomo discussions, which are a sort
of chronic cyberdisease. But this latest by "jks"
was a little much.
I have read and indeed taught the major pomos
poststructuralists--Derrida,
DeMan, Foucault, DeLeuze Guttari, Baudrillard,
BUFFALOS? --jks
In a message dated Fri, 8 Sep 2000 2:45:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Doug Henwood wrote:
Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature,
which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and
Me, an economist? Sir, there is my gage! And having shown little interest in
philosophy? What would show a lot. pray tell, beyond gettimng a PhD in it and working
the field until the jobs ran out? --jks
In a message dated Fri, 8 Sep 2000 3:20:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood
[EMAIL
Any number of problems that Popper cited were rejected, and
finally, when Popper turned to problems of moral justification,
Wittgenstein asked for an example of a moral rule. Since Wittgenstein
had happened to pick up a poker from the fireplace and was waving it
around while making his points
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BUFFALOS? --jks
http://ils.unc.edu/~lindgren/RedOrange/index.html,
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/4401/RCMain.html.
Doug
You can get the gist of most economics works fairly quickly. All the
math and the like is just used to "prove" a simple a simple point.
There is little complexity. In that respect, economics might be the
easiest discipline in the world.
The hard part is putting together all the weird little
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Hi Jim:
According to Hal Draper (in one of the volumes of his KARL MARX'S
THEORY OF REVOLUTION), Marx himself was anti-Jacobin, since the
Jacobins were petty-bourgeois, professionals, or even haute
bourgeois. He sided instead with the plebeian _sans culottes_, and
if memory serves me well,
For years I have been looking for a basic introduction to Marx which
would
work in the classroom. I think I have found it in "From Capitalism to
Equality" by Charles Andrews, just published with the last week or so.
The
web page for the book is www.LaborRepublic.org while the table of
contents
Colin reminded us that the discussion on postmodernism seems to crop up
every couple years. I cannot for the life of me understand why on this
list people get so much more energized discussing the subject, when
economic questions, such as the discussion of educational vouchers, seem
to get
Michael Perelman wrote:
Colin reminded us that the discussion on postmodernism seems to crop up
every couple years. I cannot for the life of me understand why on this
list people get so much more energized discussing the subject, when
economic questions, such as the discussion of educational
Michael Perelman wrote:
I subscribe to the Sacramento Bee, which today had a headline suggesting
that higher oil prices might be leading to a recession. I would think
that would be very important for us to be ready to explain why a
recession happened. It would be easy to fob it off onto
You might be right.
Michael Perelman wrote:
Colin reminded us that the discussion on postmodernism seems to crop up
every couple years. I cannot for the life of me understand why on this
list people get so much more energized discussing the subject, when
economic questions, such as the
Yoshie wrote:
... In contrast to France, Italy only experienced what he [Gramsci] calls
"passive revolution,": "restoration becomes the first policy whereby
social struggles find sufficiently elastic frameworks to allow the
bourgeoisie to gain power without dramatic upheavals, without the
On Democracy Now today, Juan Gonzalez suggested that the money for Colombia
may be in part a preparation to "Allende" Chavez.
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Thomas Friedman is gearing up to blame it on Chavez Hussein:
* NY Times 9/8/00
FOREIGN AFFAIRS
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
In addition to the points about private and religious schools'
elitism, racism , obscurantism taught etc. which are in the main
superstructural
aspects in any class divided society. Other horrors are wrapped up in
schools for profit vouchers..
And here too -- "It's the economy stupid!!"
PEN-Lers,
Item from The Sacramento Bee website:
OPEC boost in oil output not expected to cool prices
By BRUCE STANLEY, Associated Press
(clip)
LONDON (September 8, 2000 2:28 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) -
Analysts predict that OPEC will agree to raise its official output by no
more
Echelon is working overtime... and the latest econ. report of the prez. show
a big leap in nanotechnology investment. better, smaller "bugs" to put on
those plastic plants... :-)
Ian
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Well, yes. But the Sac. Bee article deftly omits one big part of
the global oil production story: World consumption of oil was 76
million barrels a day during January-April 2000, an increase of
eight million barrels a day since 1990, according to the
International Energy Agency (IEA). And
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Michael Perelman said on 9/8/00 4:29 PM
On Democracy Now today, Juan Gonzalez suggested that the money for Colombia
may be in part a preparation to "Allende" Chavez.
There are others who suggest that it's a simple, blatant money-laundering
scheme.
Martin
I tried to spend a whole summer reading Foucault and Derrida. The problem
for anyone who was trained in analtyical philosophy is that one has to
simply turn off all the battery of critical skills that one has learned. I
grew up on G.E. Moore, John Austin, Wittgenstein, O.K. Bouwsma, and Frank
The first Presidential Debate in the U.S. has been scheduled to come to
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plurality -
I had the same sort of training as Ken Hanly, somewhat later on, basically
high powered analytical philosophy: rather than Austin and Bowsma, my icons
were Quine, Davidson, and Rawls, my teachers Rorty, Harman, Kuhn, and Scanlon
(undergrad), Gibbard, Railton, and Mary Hesse (grad). I did pick
Nicole wrote:
So, how did feminism start?
When I moved up to Boston in 1970 to take an assignment with the branch of
the Socialist Workers Party, the new feminist movement was beginning to
take shape.
Unlike other groups on the left, the SWP took an entirely positive attitude
toward the
En relación a [PEN-L:1454] Aux armes citoyens! (was A slight ad,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 3:16, Yoshie Furuhashi dijo:
Here's a song for lovers of liberty: La Marseillaise. Militant
patriotism at its most full-blooded. Nestor's description of an
Argentine nationalist icon sounds serene, with
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Nicole wrote:
So, how did feminism start?
As someone who was outside the process, my impression was that the recent
wave of feminism that came out of the 1960s anti-war and other movements in
the US was a reaction to the male chauvinism of the "New Left" leaders.
Paraphrasing, many women
Jim Devine:
As someone who was outside the process, my impression was that the recent
wave of feminism that came out of the 1960s anti-war and other movements in
the US was a reaction to the male chauvinism of the "New Left" leaders.
Paraphrasing, many women said: you men talk about liberating
Louis Proyect wrote:
I suspect that the scarcity of female subbers on various left and Marxist
lists is related to this. My guess is that the reason LBO-Talk attracts
more women is that it has become identified as a haven for postmodernist
thought.
I hope it's a haven for all kinds of thought,
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