The fetishism of commodities

2000-11-04 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, November 4, 2000 'Perfect' Apple Pushed Growers Into Debt By TIMOTHY EGAN ORONDO, Wash., Nov. 2 — Nearly a half-century ago, the farmers in these dun-colored valleys east of the Cascade Mountains set out to create the perfect apple. It would be lipstick red; broad-shouldered; uniform

Revolt of the political scientists

2000-11-04 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, November 4, 2000 THINK TANK Political Scientists Are in a Revolution Instead of Watching By EMILY EAKIN The protester used the code name Mr. Perestroika. His e-mail messages preached popular revolt. "Head for the Parliament folks! (just as they did in Belgrade)," one read in part.

Re: Revolt of the political scientists

2000-11-04 Thread Michael Perelman
Economists never revolted from such conditions; they surrendered, although a few made a strategic retreat. Manski, Charles F. 2000. "Economic Analysis of Social Interactions." Journal of Economic Perspectives, 14: 3 (Summer): pp. 115-36. 121: "Charles Camic (1987) has written engagingly on how

Re: Bush and the Economy

2000-11-04 Thread Barry Rene DeCicco
Some here have said that if Bush gets the White House, he'll probably have a recession to deal with right away. This isn't the worst thing for Bush. If he gets a first-year recession, his chance of being re-elected are improved, compared to having a recession later in his term. Especially

Debt forces closure of rice growers co-op: Association withered after dominating

2000-11-04 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Hi Pen-l, A sign of more bankruptcies to come for American firms and workers at debt's door? Debt forces closure of rice growers co-op: Association withered after dominating Valley By Paul Schnitt and Cathleen Ferraro Bee Staff Writers (Published Nov. 4, 2000) Rice Growers Association, a

Re: Re: RE: Capitalism as slavery and colonialism

2000-11-04 Thread Ken Hanly
And what sort of progressive ideology lies behind the idea that there is something unprogressive about indoor plumbing? Just stay far south please Proyect! Cheers Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000

NYTimes.com Article: 'Perfect' Apple Pushed Growers Into Debt

2000-11-04 Thread eugenecoyle
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Re: Bush

2000-11-04 Thread ann li
GWBush the pro-lifer his "arranged" abortion? http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=foldertitle=Desperate+Measures%3A+George+W %2E+Bush+%26+Abortion

Re: Re: Bush

2000-11-04 Thread ann li
sorry: complete link: http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=foldertitle=Desperate+Measures%3A+George+W %2E+Bush+%26+Abortion - Original Message - From: "ann li" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: [PEN-L:3950] Re: Bush GWBush the

Re: Progressive Information Aggregation Institutions?

2000-11-04 Thread Robin Hanson
Peter Dorman wrote: An example of what you are talking about is Domenico Nuti's idea of a "pari-mutual" stock market: people would buy and sell stocks ... but ... no ownership rights ... The whole point would be generating information, ... I can't say I was too impressed ...That does sound

Re: Re: Bush and the Economy

2000-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:47 AM 11/04/2000 -0500, you wrote: Some here have said that if Bush gets the White House, he'll probably have a recession to deal with right away. what if President Gore has to deal with a recession, especially since he seems to worship Herbert Hoover's fiscal policy? Jim Devine [EMAIL

Re: Re: Bush

2000-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
that doesn't seem like a reliable source (given the name "disinformation"). And you don't understand the US system of being "born again." You can sin like crazy for years and then suddenly do a U-turn and disavow all your sins and positions of those years -- so you can be righteous and

unfunded liabilities

2000-11-04 Thread Michael Perelman
Does anybody know what the extent of the unfunded liabilities of the US government today? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sac Greens Public Radio

2000-11-04 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Pen-l, A Sacramento Bee news report below on how the Sac Greens for Nader campaign got on the airwaves of Capital Public Radio (CPR). People otherwise don't have free access to the radio facilities at CPR. That, however, doesn't stop CPR from getting $17,700 from the Sacramento Metropolitan

capitalism, patriarchy wealth

2000-11-04 Thread Brian Milani
PEN-Lers : Brian Milani here. I’ve been following as much discussion as possible these past couple months, but without time to participate. I have great admiration for how you all manage to cram so much reading and writing into your days. I was intrigued by Louis P’s submission on

Re: Progressive Information Aggregation Institutions?

2000-11-04 Thread Robin Hanson
I had written: ... if progressives accepted that betting markets were as good at estimating as other known institutions, they might serve as a neutral forum for deciding many other important policy questions. Peter Dorman responded: ... I would not rule out games and simulations of this kind

Re: Progressive Information Aggregation Institutions?

2000-11-04 Thread Michael Perelman
Robin, I have several questions about your scheme. 1. I mentioned before about the apparent irrationality in both stock markets is in foreign exchange markets. 2. In those markets, you have people with training and with access to enormous amounts of information. Among the public, you have

Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Michael, In fact, the big one on that probably was abortion. Maybe they would have appointed more Souters to the Supreme Court rather than Ginsburg and Breyer. Neither of those is nearly as progressive as the Ford-appointed Stevens. But, put anti-abortion justices in instead of Ginsburg

Re: Re: Bush and the Economy

2000-11-04 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
It is worth remembering that Reagan had the worst decline since the Great Depression that began after his tax cuts were approved by Congress. He did take a big hit in 1982, although the Repugs continued to hold the Senate until 1986. But, then he had an 8% growth year in 1983 after

Re: Re: Revolt of the political scientists

2000-11-04 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
As a curious aside, Chuck Manski's son, Ben, is running the Nader campaign in Wisconsin. Chuck had been there for quite awhile but is now at Northwestern. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL

Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread martin schiller
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. said on 11/4/00 1:48 P In fact, the big one on that probably was abortion. Maybe they would have appointed more Souters to the Supreme Court rather than Ginsburg and Breyer. Neither of those is nearly as progressive as the Ford-appointed Stevens. But, put

voting for Nader again: A reply to Barkley

2000-11-04 Thread Michael Perelman
Presidents do not appoint people in a vacuum. The people who advise the presidents know the consequences of terribly stupid decisions. So, Bush, in such a divided country, without dare to appoint another Clarence Thomas. Now, it is true that many justices have disappointed to people who

capitalism, patriarchy wealth

2000-11-04 Thread Tom Walker
Brian Milani wrote, The occasion was a big lecture here in Toronto last week by Anthony Giddens of the LSE on "the globalization debate". What I wouldn't have given to be there in full sandwich regalia! See my post a couple of weeks ago to Pen-l on Giddens' "Runaway World Debate" and the

Re: Re: Re: Bush and the Economy

2000-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
Barkley wrote: It is worth remembering that Reagan had the worst decline since the Great Depression that began after his tax cuts were approved by Congress. He did take a big hit in 1982, although the Repugs continued to hold the Senate until 1986. But, then he had an 8% growth year in

Re: voting for Nader again: A reply to Barkley

2000-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:33 PM 11/04/2000 -0800, you wrote: Presidents do not appoint people in a vacuum. The people who advise the presidents know the consequences of terribly stupid decisions. So, Bush, in such a divided country, without dare to appoint another Clarence Thomas. also, the Congressional

Re: Re: voting for Nader again: A reply to Barkley

2000-11-04 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: also, the Congressional Democrats are much more alert to the problem of people like Scalia, Renquist, and Thomas. I'm not sure Gore is, though, since he voted for Scalia. Everyone did. It was 98-0. Doug

Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread kelley
At 02:24 PM 11/4/00 -0800, martin schiller wrote: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. said on 11/4/00 1:48 P In fact, the big one on that probably was abortion. Maybe they would have appointed more Souters to the Supreme Court rather than Ginsburg and Breyer. Neither of those is nearly as

Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread martin schiller
kelley said on 11/4/00 4:40 P they'll make it a state's rights issue, if they can. unlikely. OR, they'll uphold rulings that will steadily eke away at the right to abortion on demand. we don't have that anyway. The question was "how do you see reversing roe/wade as benefiting the long

Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread kelley
At 03:48 PM 11/4/00 -0800, martin schiller wrote: kelley said on 11/4/00 4:40 P they'll make it a state's rights issue, if they can. unlikely. OR, they'll uphold rulings that will steadily eke away at the right to abortion on demand. we don't have that anyway. The question was "how do you

RE: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread Austin, Andrew
Besides increasing the overall level of repression, criminalizing abortion could have the same effect that criminalizing drugs has had - permitting the elaboration of a rhetoric justifying the further expansion of repressive controls targeting disadvantaged groups in America. This will probably

Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread martin schiller
kelley said on 11/4/00 5:08 P i wasn't answering your question. i was providing you with some numbers in order for you to rethink your assumption that it would significantly hurt the GOP if they alienated the ~30% of people (not voters) who are in favor of unrestrained access to abortion.

Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread kelley
At 04:34 PM 11/4/00 -0800, martin schiller wrote: kelley said on 11/4/00 5:08 P i wasn't answering your question. i was providing you with some numbers in order for you to rethink your assumption that it would significantly hurt the GOP if they alienated the ~30% of people (not voters) who

Re: unfunded liabilities

2000-11-04 Thread Max Sawicky
I think the concept itself is inappropriate in reference to a national government's finances. More to the point is the time profile of anticipated payouts, in relation to anticipated revenues and assets. mbs Does anybody know what the extent of the unfunded liabilities of the US government

Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread martin schiller
Austin, Andrew said on 11/4/00 4:31 P Besides increasing the overall level of repression, criminalizing abortion could have the same effect that criminalizing drugs has had - permitting the elaboration of a rhetoric justifying the further expansion of repressive controls targeting disadvantaged

Re: Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread Max Sawicky
At the risk of consoling the Goreoids, Souter was an anomaly. He was chosen because Warren Rudman lied about him to Sununu; told him he was pro-life, when he knew he wasn't. The Supreme Court concern is legitimate. I think there are two overriding considerations. One is the extent of

Re: Re: Progressive Information Aggregation Institutions?

2000-11-04 Thread Robin Hanson
Michael Perelman wrote: Robin, I have several questions about your scheme. 1. I mentioned before about the apparent irrationality in both stock markets is in foreign exchange markets. 2. In those markets, you have people with training and with access to enormous amounts of information.

Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread Tom Walker
Max Sawicky wrote, I've been working 'inside' for a decade now. Any support I have rendered to Clinton et al. has not helped me in anything I have done in the slightest bit. Max, According to Leonard, you've only served have your sentence. I was sentenced to twenty years of boredom

Re: The farm crisis or collectivization by monopsony

2000-11-04 Thread Ken Hanly
The farm crisis has little to do with free market capitalism per se. The crisis is partly produced by free markets in many farm products. However even here, at least in Canada, there remain elements of supply mangement in poultry, eggs, milk etc. that are not free market. Also, the system is not

Rifkin on the Economic Miracle

2000-11-04 Thread Ken Hanly
The Guardian Tuesday October 24, 2000 Like the Roaring 20s, the latest economic 'miracle' has been bought on credit Another wolf at our door By Jeremy Rifkin While the US presidential debates were in full swing, I was pondering what I would ask the candidates if I had the opportunity to pose

Castro on US elections.

2000-11-04 Thread Ken Hanly
"The United States, such a vocal advocate of multi-party systems, has two parties that are so perfectly similar in their methods, objectives and goals that they have practically created the most perfect one-party system in the world. Over 50% of the people in that 'democratic country' do not

Re: Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-04 Thread Justin Schwartz
they'll make it a state's rights issue, if they can. unlikely. OR, they'll uphold rulings that will steadily eke away at the right to abortion on demand. This is what they have been doing. There isn't much that O'Connor finds to be an "undue burden." --jks