US-UK split now public

2002-07-02 Thread Chris Burford
For the first time Tony Blair has publically split with Bush and voted with Europe. Europe seethes as defiant US goes its own way White House threat to pull out of UN peacekeeping the latest in a series of quarrels shaking transatlantic alliance Richard Norton-Taylor, Ewen MacAskill, and

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2002-07-02 Thread Karl Carlile
Please use plain text. Other text may be virus infected. Karl Carlile To visit Communism click following: http://homepage.eircom.net/~beprepared/

Re: Re: Re: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread Karl Carlile
Hi Christian Christian: Basically, in Marx, fictitious capital is any income that is mathematically backed out of (capitalized out of) any security. As far as fictitious capital goes, for Marx there is no difference between state debt (ie treasury bills and bonds), corporate paper and stock (in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread christian11
To say that any money that is not backed by gold is also fictitious makes is to stretch the entire notion of the fictitious notion. Hey, don't blame me, I didn't make this stuff up. It _is_ ridiculous. But it's also Marx. By its very nature money in the form of medium of exchange is not

Re: Good analysis of WCOM and Credit Bubble

2002-07-02 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Penpals, Just to lend a little flavour to the WorldCom saga, here's a little note from Xmas 2000 - poignant and, with respect to the likely state of other telcos', possibly significant : G'day Doug, In light of your note that ... Naomi Klein says that high marketing costs essential to

China Okays Rules To Boost Foreign Investment In Aviation

2002-07-02 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Financial Express Tuesday, July 02, 2002 ECONOMY China Okays Rules To Boost Foreign Investment In Aviation Beijing, July 1: China has approved new rules aimed at boosting foreign investment in its aviation sector, including allowing bigger stakes in airlines and airports, the China News

Re: US-UK split now public

2002-07-02 Thread Louis Proyect
Burford: What is so significant about this split over immunity of allied occupation forces in Bosnia from potential prosecution by the new International Criminal Court, which the US refuses to recognise, is that this is a split in the position of bodies of armed men in relation to

Re: RE: Re: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: The worst of the fundamentalist Marxism occurred when the Social Democrats had some power in Germany at the start of the depression and endorsed deflationist policies, making matters worse. Yup, with Hilferding as finance minister. But there's a good reason he/they acted

: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread Ellen Frank
Money is, of necessity, a public good. National governments print it and enforce its domestic use by, for example, mandating that the local currency be “legal tender” for paying taxes and discharging debts. The wealthy have always worried about this. So long as money is controlled by the

Re: the federal debt - query

2002-07-02 Thread Louis Proyect
At 10:17 AM 7/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: A while back there was a billboard in Times Square that tracked the US federal debt minute by minute. Does anyone happen to know when that was and who paid for it? Thanks, Ellen THE DAILY TELEGRAPH(LONDON), October 2, 1998, Friday City Diary: US debt

Re: the federal debt - query

2002-07-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Ellen Frank wrote: A while back there was a billboard in Times Square that tracked the US federal debt minute by minute. Does anyone happen to know when that was and who paid for it? http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/07/debt.clock/ NEW YORK -- The plug was pulled on the National Debt Clock, which

Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession

2002-07-02 Thread Justin Schwartz
I wonder how many in the legal profession would clig to those assertion after reading Arthur Ripstein's latest? What does Arthur say? But I don't imagine he'd change many minds. === I don't think he will either but that would be a pity because he makes some pretty

RE: Re: RE: Re: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27494] Re: RE: Re: Greenspan's cooked book I wrote: The worst of the fundamentalist Marxism occurred when the Social Democrats had some power in Germany at the start of the depression and endorsed deflationist policies, making matters worse. Doug answers: Yup, with

The coming backlash against the super-rich

2002-07-02 Thread Louis Proyect
The New York Review of Books July 18, 2002 Review The Power of the Super-Rich By Jeff Madrick Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich by Kevin Phillips Broadway Books, 473 pp., $29.95 1. The great hope of some reform-minded Americans is that there will be, sooner or

joke

2002-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Title: joke how many compassionate conservatives does it take to screw in a lightbulb? none, they have their TANF-mother do it for sub-minimum wage. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine (TANF = Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, what used to be called

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: this is a common mistake, i.e., that of assigning some sort of normative meaning to value or surplus-value, when these are normative only from the perspective of commodity-producing society or capitalism (respectively). The attachment of normative meaning to

testing

2002-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Title: testing testing Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

testing again

2002-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Title: testing again testing again. Sorry, but the IS guy doesn't know his job so he's making me do it again. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

bragging

2002-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Title: bragging (how's my font?) Back in 1999, I wrote an article on the possibility of a new Depression because a journal asked me to do so. It finally got published in 2002, though the date on the journal says 2000. (Some difficulties had delayed our publishing program, writes the

Minority Report sponsors

2002-07-02 Thread Louis Proyect
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Anthrax attack in Africa

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Perelman
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/02/opinion/02KRIS.html The NY Times had an interesting editorial blasting the FBI for not arresting the anthrax suspect, who the author seems to think is the guilty party. In the course of the story, the author asks: Have you examined whether Mr. Z has

Re: Re: Re: capitalism and theft

2002-07-02 Thread joanna bujes
At 05:17 PM 07/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: In practical political terms, the capitalism is theft line has the same dangers that conspiracy theories or loose use of the charge of fascism has: all three shift the focus from an oppressive and exploitative system of social relations to the morality or

Re: Re: Re: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread joanna bujes
At 08:03 PM 07/01/2002 -0400, Doug wrote: the suspicion that only gold is real money, the rest is delusion; and a Puritan, morally drenched distaste for speculation. There should be a marx-and-mixes.org. Ah, but we have not even begun to taste the reality of the destruction of wealth that

Re: Re: RE: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread joanna bujes
At 01:04 AM 07/03/2012 +0100, you wrote: Despite the very low interest rates inflation does not really exist in the US. This would appear to contradict Friedman's monetarism which argued that inflation is a product of loose money. I have noticed that Hayek has been revived these days as a hammer

Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppression??

2002-07-02 Thread Steve Diamond
If you lined up all the economists in the world end to end, they would still not reach a conclusion. Stephen F. Diamond School of Law Santa Clara University [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession

2002-07-02 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Justin Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think he will either but that would be a pity because he makes some pretty devastating criticisms in chapter 5, That's a helpful cite, Ian. Maybe I will just try that with my next footnote, Ripstein, ch. 5.

on stiglitz...

2002-07-02 Thread Anthony D'Costa
IMF Economist Assails Author of Critical Book. Getting a rise out of the International Monetary Fund isn't easy, writes Paul Blustein for The Washington Post (E1). For years, as debate has raged over how best to aid countries in economic distress, the IMF has typically responded to its critics

RE: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppression??

2002-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27511] Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppression?? Steve Diamond: If you lined up all the economists in the world end to end, they would still not reach a conclusion. I like the old British one: if you put 7 economists in a room, they'd come out with 8 different

Re: Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession

2002-07-02 Thread Justin Schwartz
.com I don't think he will either but that would be a pity because he makes some pretty devastating criticisms in chapter 5, That's a helpful cite, Ian. Maybe I will just try that with my next footnote, Ripstein, ch. 5. === Great act of cut and paste. But that's

Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession

2002-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Title: Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession Isn't there a typo in the subject heading of this thread? shouldn't it be Economists as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Re: Good analysis of WCOM and Credit Bubble

2002-07-02 Thread joanna bujes
At 11:19 PM 07/02/2002 +1000, you wrote: Sidgmore used his golden hour at the podium to complain about how much MCI WorldCom spends on marketing its network services. According to Sidgmore, an astonishing 49% of the telecom giant's service costs to customers can be traced to marketing. In

Re: UK's Guardian on widening corporate scandal

2002-07-02 Thread joanna bujes
At 08:22 PM 07/01/2002 -0700, Steve Diamond cross-posted : No one should mistake this as a fatal or even lethal blow for capitalism as we know it. Those who predict its imminent demise underestimate its resilience. Back in 1987 the late Eric Heffer told the House: People's capitalism was falling

Re: Re: Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession

2002-07-02 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Justin Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: [PEN-L:27517] Re: Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession .com I don't think he will either but that would be a pity because he makes

Re: Anthrax attack in Africa

2002-07-02 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/02/opinion/02KRIS.html The NY Times had an interesting editorial blasting the FBI for not arresting the anthrax suspect, who the author seems to think is the guilty party. In the course

Re: Greenspan's cooked book (was Re: Re: RE: Re: RE:)

2002-07-02 Thread Tom Walker
And relatively few Marxists have take the formal/real subsumption distinction very seriously. Most experts agree. Doug Henwood wrote: but many Marxists have taken the productive/nonproductive distinction very seriously. Tom Walker 604 254 0470

decade on

2002-07-02 Thread Chris Burford
At 03/07/12 08:23 +0100, you wrote: Please use plain text. Other text may be virus infected. Karl Carlile To visit Communism click following: http://homepage.eircom.net/~beprepared/ Karl I agree plain text is better. But your calendar is set a decade on. [see above] I now you are eager for

Re: Re: Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession

2002-07-02 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think this will wash. Inside a capitalist society it is almost tautological that attorneys have a duty to serve their client's interests, and one cannot qualify tht without seriously endangering the left, which

Re: Re: Re: Lawyers as Vile Tools of Capitalist Oppreession

2002-07-02 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Justin Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] More bad lawyer jokes, Ian, I'm a moral philosopher. As you know? What's the fucking cite, or do I have to look it up myself? The Ripstein text is Equality, Responsibility and the Law. The text

Xerox says Indian arm made improper payments

2002-07-02 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Times of India TUESDAY, JULY 02, 2002 Xerox says Indian arm made improper payments REUTERS MUMBAI: Xerox Corp has disclosed that its Indian subsidiary made improper payments over the years to push sales to government customers, according to an annual report filing with the US Securities

The next Argentina?

2002-07-02 Thread Steve Diamond
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 Is China the Next Argentina? China's sagging economy is threatening to turn China into an Asian version of Argentina, a top financial journal warns. Unless it can patch up the situation, China risks becoming Asia's Argentina... the people's Republic can go from boom to

Re: Re: Anthrax attack in Africa

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Perelman
In the recent Lumumba movie, they bleeped out Frank Carlucci's name when they were organizing the assassination. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Anthrax attack in Africa

2002-07-02 Thread Shane Mage
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/02/opinion/02KRIS.html The NY Times had an interesting [op]editorial blasting the FBI for not arresting the anthrax suspect, who the author seems to think is the guilty party. In the course of the story, the author asks: Have you examined whether Mr. Z has

Re: The next Argentina?

2002-07-02 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Steve Diamond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless it can patch up the situation, China risks becoming Asia's Argentina... the people's Republic can go from boom to bust in just a few short years, wrote Gordon Chang in the June 19, Asian Wall Street Journal as quoted

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread Karl Carlile
Hi Christian Christian: Hmm, not really. The difference is that money backed by gold is convertible on demand. Fiat money is not. Karl: Concerning money as medium of exchange Marx in Capital has the following to say (and I quote): The function of gold as coin becomes completely independent of

Re: : Greenspan's cooked book

2002-07-02 Thread Karl Carlile
Hi Ellen Ellen: Money-printing can't be privatized, but it can be quasi-privatized, relegated to semi-autonomous and undemocratic central banks, like the Federal Reserve, the Bundesbank, or the European Central Bank. Removing control over money from normal avenues of democratic accountability