Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
but then, 'the heart has its reasons, that reason does not know'!
I think it is in reality more like, 'the heart has its reasons, that reason
does not admit'.
perhaps, but i like the original version (pascal?) since it brings out
the incompleteness of knowledge
Pascal's Pensees, Sec IV. para 277.
--- ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
but then, 'the heart has its reasons, that reason
does not know'!
I think it is in reality more like, 'the heart has
its reasons, that reason
does not admit'.
perhaps, but i like the
ravi wrote:
perhaps, but i like the original version (pascal?) since it brings out
the incompleteness of knowledge arrived at through reasoning alone (and
thats not just incompleteness in a mathematical sense, but even
incompleteness in the sense of certainty required to act).
From my own
Nov. 10, 2003, 6:32AM
Proposals for state contracts shrouded
Firms fear trade secrets could be compromised
By POLLY ROSS HUGHES
Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau
AUSTIN -- Companies clamoring for state tax dollars that serve the needy
are insisting that their bid proposals be kept a closely
Originally Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point - i.e.
the heart has its reasons of which reason doesn't see the relevance or in
which reason sees no point, i.e. the rational intellect can understand the
reasons of the heart (affective impulses, inclinations, emotions welling
up
Carrol Cox wrote:
ravi wrote:
perhaps, but i like the original version (pascal?) since it brings out
the incompleteness of knowledge arrived at through reasoning alone (and
thats not just incompleteness in a mathematical sense, but even
incompleteness in the sense of certainty required to act).
From my own reading in contemporary neuroscience, I would say
that there
is no such thing as reasoning alone. Separate parts of the brain are
in action, but they cannot operate without each other. Hence
neither the
heart nor the reason has reasons of its own. Without the
intervention of
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Originally Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point -
i.e.
the heart has its reasons of which reason doesn't see the relevance or
in
which reason sees no point, i.e. the rational intellect can understand
the
reasons of the heart (affective impulses,
Originally Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point - i.e.
the heart has its reasons of which reason doesn't see the relevance or in
which reason sees no point
This is not a correct translation. The construction *ne...point*
means not at all, thus much stronger than *ne...pas*,
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point
I think Pascal's assertion has more to do with the limitations of reason than with the powers or nature of the more ambiguous coeur. In other words, it's difficult to say whether by heart Pascal means heart/feeling or heart/love.
I see
Agreedand great quote:
To be Greek, one must have no clothes.
To be Medieval, one must have no body.
To be Modern, one must have no soul (Oscar Wilde)
Joanna
Shane Mage wrote:
Originally Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît
Perhaps the idea of reason underpinning this contrast [between ratio and
sentio] is mistaken. That, I think, is the claim made by Hegel and Marx.
But it is not clear what the mistake is. If a doctor is to perform surgery
on a patient, he must separate his feelings from the patient in order to
Hi Shane,
I agree it is not a correct translation, but literally it would be the
heart has its reasons which reason knows not at all. The question that then
arises is why or how is it possible that reason cannot know this ? This is
the mystique.
Since our rational faculties can never understand
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/09/03 09:54AM
Reviewer: Mark from Santa Fe Before reading the book, I'll
realize
that the author
is a socialist who hates freedom, and wants to see the
demise of America. After seeing this idiot's interview
on Moyer's show, I would only hope that he leave this
country
Michael Hoover wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/09/03 09:54AM
Reviewer: Mark from Santa Fe Before reading the book, I'll
realize
that the author
is a socialist who hates freedom, and wants to see the
demise of America. After seeing this idiot's interview
on Moyer's show, I would only hope that he
Michael Hoover wrote:
maybe mark from santa fe should read karl from trier whose positive
theory of market relations includes following:
a) precapitalist societies seriously limit individual capacities;
Precapitalism is an awfully broad category. This could be a reference to
feudalism. It could
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
But it is not clear what the mistake is. If a doctor is to perform
surgery
on a patient, he must separate his feelings from the patient in order
to
perform the surgery in some way, and the way in which he does so, is
important. But this way can often be grasped only
individuality as comprehensive development of human
capacities presupposes society based on market relations...
This is only tendentially true. Harry Braverman describes in detail the
deskilling process, whereby the division of labour is modified in such as
way that jobs are easily filled or
- Original Message -
From: Ted Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In Husserl's phenomenology, grasping something phenomenologically means
grasping it without distortion, as it is in itself.
Ted
==
And then there was Wilfrid Sellars.:-
The quest for *grasping* is a futile
The feeling that reason is impaired by all feeling may itself be a sign
of such impairment.
Yes, I think this is the substance of Sabri's critique. Psychologically or
neurologically we may reason from at least four different standpoints:
subjectively, intersubjectively, objectively, and in a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/11/03 03:07PM
Michael Hoover wrote:
b)emergence of new needs under capitalism are - in part -
expression of both more fully developed individual *and*
increased capacity for enjoyment;
I assume that new needs are enclosed in scare quotes for obvious
reasons.
i placed
in other words, the conditions under which every person can explore
full range of potential human capacities for creativity and
enjoyment...in effect, capitalism 'teaches' folks to be dissatisfied
with subsistence level needs satisfaction *and* it creates need to
transcend that level...
This
I don't see what the problem is here. Marx believed that consumerism
could serve a progressive purpose -- he even thought that newpapers would
elevate workers. He never read our own local rag.
Marx certainly overestimated the progressive nature of consumerism, but
that does not seem to be
I don't see what the problem is here. Marx believed that consumerism
could serve a progressive purpose -- he even thought that newpapers would
elevate workers. He never read our own local rag.
What is your local rag called ? Even Marx's reference to newspapers is
double-edged, because
Michael wrote:
I don't see what the problem is here. Marx believed that consumerism
could serve a progressive purpose -- he even thought that newpapers would
elevate workers. He never read our own local rag.
You also have to keep in mind that there was no such thing as advertising,
department
Carrol wrote:
the concept of stealing a girlfriend turns the girlfriend into portable
property.
The same applies to men. Indeed, these days a problem for some busy men is
how you can get other men to screw the women under their care. But the
concept of stealing is ill-defined, as shown by the
The
first thing I'd like to see after the revolution is a permanent ban on
advertising. It will mean as much to us as ending tipping did in Cuba
after
1959.
There is no good reason to ban advertising, only advertising which does not
provide useful and accurate information about the product.
Apropos Lou's post, my new book project is entitled, The Powerless of
Individualism in a Corporate Society, which attacks advertising
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 06:35:03PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
You also have to keep in mind that there was no such thing as advertising,
department stores
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
There is no good reason to ban advertising, only advertising which does not
provide useful and accurate information about the product. If I am
overposting, I am sorry.
Jurriaan
Sometimes you shock me. There are many, many good reasons to get rid of
advertising. Off the
In other words, Joannah, advertising contains content
you disapprove of. Now, seems to me we have a pretty
good rule in this country about regulation of speech
based on content, namely, we don't do it if the speech
is not incitrement to immanent unlawful activity,
obscene, or a solicitaion to a
Sometimes you shock me.
Socialists do that sometimes, inadvertently.
1. Advertising suggests that we are missing something, that we are
incomplete, and that we can only be completed through consumption.
But we may indeed be missing something and need to find it, in which case we
require good
At 6:35 PM -0500 11/11/03, Louis Proyect wrote:
I don't see what the problem is here. Marx believed that
consumerism could serve a progressive purpose -- he even thought
that newpapers would elevate workers. He never read our own local
rag.
You also have to keep in mind that there was no such
[From Slate's Today's Papers newsletter]
The WP off-leads and others front the World Trade Organization's ruling
that the U.S. violated trade rules last year by imposing tariffs on
foreign steel. The WTO decision gives the E.U. the right to impose $2.2
billion worth of retaliatory tariffs. The WP
To those of you in the Seattle or San Francisco areas...please come!
I'll be at the following two bookstores next week, flogging After the
New Economy:
The Elliott Bay Book Company
101 South Main Street, Seattle
Tuesday, November 18 at 5 PM
Modern Times Bookstore
888 Valencia Street, San
No, I'm arguing, that advertising isn't netural; I'm arguing that its
rhetoric has an implicit message, that this implicit message is a form
of brainwashing, and that a free society should not promote brainwashing.
My point about the seven deadlies is not an assertion to be taken on
faith, but an
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:47:19PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:
To those of you in the Seattle or San Francisco areas...please come!
I'll be at the following two bookstores next week, flogging After the
New Economy:
I caught Doug's act in DC last night. Despite fighting a failing
voice, he put
Kendall Clark wrote:
I caught Doug's act in DC last night. Despite fighting a failing
voice, he put on a good show. Recommended.
Thanks. (You didn't say hi!) The voice is much recovered today.
Doug
Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields,
Sold in a market down in Washington
Slaverdriver knows he's doin' alright.
Hear him whip the women just around midnight.
Ahhh... Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
A - huh.
Drums beating, cold
Yoshie:
Advertisements, like markets, existed in many civilizations long
before the emergence of capitalism. For instance, archeologists have
found signs advertising taverns and the like in ancient Rome
This makes perfect sense given the state of Imperial America. Next we will
be feeding Marxists
At 8:29 PM +0100 11/11/03, Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
I agree it is not a correct translation, but literally it would be the
heart has its reasons which reason knows not at all. The question that then
arises is why or how is it possible that reason cannot know this?
If the Roman Catholic faith is
If the Roman Catholic faith is incomprehensible to reason, that's not
reason's fault. :-
Imagine there's no heaving,
It ain't easy if we lie,
No Shell below us,
Above us only why,
Imagine all the pee pals
Shifting for a day ...
Imagine there's no countries,
It's pretty hard to do,
No thing to
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
( Bourgeois leftists are fond of quoting the
concluding sentence of the analysis, but they omit the analysis that
precedes it, and therefore we are left only with a vague moralism - JB).
Moralism, vague or rambunctious, is one of the chief routes away from
Marxism --
At 4:52 PM -0800 11/11/03, joanna bujes wrote:
No, I'm arguing, that advertising isn't netural; I'm arguing that
its rhetoric has an implicit message, that this implicit message is
a form of brainwashing, and that a free society should not promote
brainwashing.
Advertising isn't neutral but
Moralism, vague or rambunctious, is one of the chief routes away from
Marxism -- it is especially infectious during periods of working-class
(and hence marxist) weakness. The tendency is to compensate for defeats
in the actual world with merely rhetorical victories over the horrors of
Caught by the Act
Digital Copyright Law Ensnaring Businesses, Individuals Over Fair Use
By Frank Ahrens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 12, 2003; Page E01
Ed Swartz, a self-described old guy, is a canny North Carolinian who's
been in heavy manufacturing since Eisenhower was
A friend of mine says this is an obituary published in The Times-Picayune,
New Orleans on 10/2/2003:
Word has been received that Gertrude M. Jones, 81, passed away on August
25, 2003, under the loving care of the nursing aides of Heritage Manor of
Mandeville, Louisiana. She was a native of
Outcome of Labor Strikes Affects All
BY RUTH MILKMAN AND KENT WONG
Whats at stake in the current strikes of supermarket workers and Metropolitan
Transportation Authority mechanics here in Los Angeles is nothing less than the future
of the middle class.
In recent years, economic inequality has
Soros's Deep Pockets vs. Bush
Financier Contributes $5 Million More in Effort to Oust President
By Laura Blumenfeld
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 11, 2003; Page A03
NEW YORK -- George Soros, one of the world's richest men, has given away
nearly $5 billion to promote democracy in
(the following passage by Marx is insufficiently noticed by the literal
Marxists, presumably because it does not appear in the chapter The scret of
primitive accumulation, but in the chapter on the Genesis of the
industrial capitalist. Bourgeois leftists are fond of quoting the
concluding sentence
The American dream is about ever greater material possessions (and thus the
status that they buy); the hard part for governments is to guide without
coercing the content of these misaddressed dreams - a task of inspiration,
not of Sorastro's sorcery. Homo faber, yes; home consumens, no - but where
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