Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carrol Cox wrote: 1. What validity does psychoanalysis have? Answer: [P]sychonalysis [is] a mistake that grew into an imposture. Frederick C. Crews, Preface to _Unauthorized Freud: Doubters Confront a Legend_, ed. Frederick Crews (New York:

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Carrol Cox
andie nachgeborenen wrote: I don't want to get into the details, but this is not just a blow-off opinion. There is depth and thought behind it. jks Neither do I; the topic is not really suitable for e-list discussion. But in fact all _positive_ references to psychoanalysis on e-lists _also_

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
joanna bujes wrote: You need to explain why psychonalysis is an obvious mistake before we can take up the issue of its noxious influence. It all depends. If somebody finds it helpful in writing about French symbolist poetry, who can object? However, as science it is completely bogus. At the worst,

Oxfam: retailing empires impoverish 3rd world

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Oxfam International Press Release - 8 February 2004 Big brand retailers turning up the heat for vulnerable workers Big brand companies and retailers in the fashion and food industries are driving down employment conditions for millions of women workers around the world, according to a new

Burn Loot

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
New Yorker Magazine CONTRACT SPORT by JANE MAYER What did the Vice-President do for Halliburton? Issue of 2004-02-16 and 23 (clip) George Sigalos, a Halliburton executive, recently gave a speech at a conference in Washington for businesspeople who hoped to obtain government contracts in Iraq.

The Bush dynasty

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Review of Books, Volume 51, Number 3 February 26, 2004 The Wars of the Texas Succession By Paul Krugman American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush by Kevin Phillips Viking, 397 pp., $25.95 The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House,

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Devine, James
My research on this subject tells me (1) that Freud and his followers (e.g., Bettelheim) are useless if not destructive on issues of psychosis, schizophrnia, autism, etc. As LP points out, Bettelheim and his crowd told mothers that they were to blame for their children's autism, which turns

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Mike Ballard wrote: Why *don't* the proles revolt? After all, capitalism is way past its use-by date by now. That's demonstrated on this list daily by the countless, excellent news articles posted. Could this condition originate in a conservative psychological character structure rooted in the

Re: song lyrics and poetry

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Eubulides wrote: An expose on how Wal-Mart's attorneys navigate the thicket of international contracts to create their planet wide commodity chain and the ensuing misery for over a million workers would be a real world mockery of what is left of neoclassical theories of the firm. I know Liza

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: Neither do I; the topic is not really suitable for e-list discussion. But in fact all _positive_ references to psychoanalysis on e-lists _also_ consist of blow-off opinions, since they always take the validity of psychoanalysis for granted. Occasionally I merely like to signal

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, February 9, 2004 at 10:28:36 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: ... Or, if you want to take it further, there's Judith Butler's argument - rooted in that silly doctrine called psychoanalysis - that subjects are formed in subjection (through deference to authority figures, like parents, and

Re: song lyrics and poetry

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Preview: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021216s=featherstonec=1 Michael Perelman wrote: Any previews available? On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 09:57:28PM -0800, Eubulides wrote: I know Liza Featherstone is working on a story of the corp. Is any one else looking at that issue? Ian --

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Devine, James
Mike Ballard wrote: Why *don't* the proles revolt? After all, capitalism is way past its use-by date by now. That's demonstrated on this list daily by the countless, excellent news articles posted. Could this condition originate in a conservative psychological character structure rooted

a perfect present, just in time for VD...

2004-02-09 Thread Devine, James
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Bill Lear wrote: So, our chains become part of us, and attempts to break the chains therefore hurt? They not only become part of us, they made us. Doug

Response: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Craven, Jim
Bill Lear wrote: So, our chains become part of us, and attempts to break the chains therefore hurt? They not only become part of us, they made us. Doug Very true, but does the fact that we can conceptualize and grasp that we are partly the product of the chains and backwardness that bind us

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Joel Blau
No, following the Frankfurt School, the search for the "good father" produces submissiveness (a.ka. false consciousness), a desire to be protected from external threatening forces (Bush's invocation of terrorists), and rage at anyone who would end the possibility of repairing the damage

the other side of the Yale connection

2004-02-09 Thread Devine, James
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-oe-schlaes9feb09,1,292209.story COMMENTARY A Political Year of Yalies: Boola Boola for Meritocracy By Amity Shlaes New York-based Amity Shlaes is a senior columnist for the Financial Times. This article appears here by special arrangement with that

U$ Judge approves subpoenas served on anti-war activists

2004-02-09 Thread Craven, Jim
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=216707category=; BCCode=newsdate=2/7/2004 Feds win right to war protesters' records Albany Times-Herald Saturday, February 7, 2004 By RYAN J. FOLEY, Associated Press DES MOINES, Iowa -- In what may be the first subpoena of its kind in

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Eugene Coyle
So, should the decline of the British empire have been predicted because Brits are subjects? I always marveled that Brits were willing to be so described. Gene Coyle Doug Henwood wrote: Mike Ballard wrote: Why *don't* the proles revolt? After all, capitalism is way past its use-by date by

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread joanna bujes
Doug Henwood wrote: Or, if you want to take it further, there's Judith Butler's argument - rooted in that silly doctrine called psychoanalysis - that subjects are formed in subjection (through deference to authority figures, like parents, and their successors, like language and law), and that

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
joanna bujes wrote: Psychonalysis, in its more radical forms, helps the patient become aware of this conditioning. Its goal (like that of Buddhism) is to enable the subject to be fully present. This full presence is not something that is achieved once and for all, but a practice of awareness that

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread joanna bujes
Louis Proyect wrote: You mean the neurotic is not adjusted to one of the most maladjusted societies since the dawn of civilization? Much of the time I feel like Alan Bates in The King of Hearts anyhow. No. I never said anything about adjustment. I was speaking about one's ability to be present:

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
joanna bujes wrote: No. I never said anything about adjustment. I was speaking about one's ability to be present: to present injustice, to present beauty, to present poverty, to present uglyness, to present stupidity... I said that the neurotic is unable to experience the present. I have no idea

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
joanna bujes wrote: I don't think you need psychoanalysis to observe that human beings (uniquely among animals) go through a long, long period of dependence. No, but people not familiar with psychoanalysis would dismiss early experience as irrelevant to adult thinking behavior - just like

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Joel Blau
Surely this is not an either or proposition. Precisely because we are dealing with a social problem, it is incumbent upon us to examine from as many different perspectives as possible, why they don't react the way we prescribe. Joel Blau Louis Proyect wrote: joanna bujes wrote: No. I never

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Brian McKenna
Joel Kovel, Stanley Aronowitz and other left figures have written about their "breakdowns" in their early books. . .stuck in that limbo abyss between the official views practices of the world (psychoanalysis with Kovel, the union movement with Aronowitz) and their emergent selves. . .many of us

Re: Response: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Craven, Jim wrote: Very true, but does the fact that we can conceptualize and grasp that we are partly the product of the chains and backwardness that bind us not suggest the possibility of transcendence or at least of not accepting such chains as limits or a fait accompli? Absolutely. If I

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Joel Blau wrote: Surely this is not an either or proposition. Precisely because we are dealing with a social problem, it is incumbent upon us to examine from as many different perspectives as possible, why they don't react the way we prescribe. By all means. I myself took prozac about six years

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Doug Henwood wrote: It's very interesting that some of PEN-L's most anti-Freudian posters act out their psychopathology on the Internet every day. It is also interesting to note that some reformists don't have the guts to defend their ideas on PEN-L and prefer to make personal snipes at people

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Joel Blau wrote: Surely this is not an either or proposition. Precisely because we are dealing with a social problem, it is incumbent upon us to examine from as many different perspectives as possible, why they don't react the way we prescribe. In a panel on Psychoanalysis Politics at 2001 (?)

Re: Response: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Brian McKenna
In a message dated 2/9/04 2:57:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It has been observed time and again how those recruited young and innocent to radical groups have defected once they felt the force of tradition. I know and quote this passage routinely, Doug (hey, out there,

Tuxedo Park (was Skull Bones)

2004-02-09 Thread Eugene Coyle
I have just finished reading Tuxedo Park, a book about Alfred Lee Loomis, a Wall Street lawyer and financier who cashed out before the Depression and turned to science. He built his own scientific lab at Tuxedo Park, where he sponsored and mentored scientists who were or became giants in the

this is your President on religion...

2004-02-09 Thread Devine, James
from Kevin Phillips' recent book, as quoted by Paul Krugman in the NY Review of Books: Bush's day-to-day language was a veritable biblical message center. Besides the ever-present references to evil and evil ones, chief White House speechwriter Michael Gerson, a onetime college theology

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Marvin Gandall
And if you want to take it even further -- that capitalism has been able to deliver, despite episodic crises, a modest but steady improvement in living standards and working conditions for the mass of Western wage- and salary-earners, despite Marx's belief that it had exhausted its historic

Re: Psychoanalysis Re: happiness is a transitory state

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Please, sniping of all sorts does not belong here. On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 02:52:08PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: Doug Henwood wrote: It's very interesting that some of PEN-L's most anti-Freudian posters act out their psychopathology on the Internet every day. It is also interesting to

The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Eugene Coyle
Has the US economy entered a new era? It seems to me that the US Department of Justice, along with other relevant agencies, has lost interest in enforcing antitrust laws. I think we are back to the 1880s and 1890s, where Trusts and pools will rationalize capacity for the good of all? Banks and

Bush and the F 102

2004-02-09 Thread Eugene Coyle
Bush and the Texas Guard flew the F 102. An aviation buddy points out that the F 102 had no conceivable mission in Vietnam. So even if he showed up, his unit wasn't going to go. Gene Coyle

Response:Bush and the F 102

2004-02-09 Thread Craven, Jim
Bush and the Texas Guard flew the F 102. An aviation buddy points out that the F 102 had no conceivable mission in Vietnam. So even if he showed up, his unit wasn't going to go. Gene Coyle Response (Jim C) Absolutely true. At the time Bush got into the Texas Air Guard (with a national waiting

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Peter Hollings
My 2 cents: I read recently that a top Microsoft lawyer is moving over to head the ABA's anti-trust section. I recall that there was an exchange of staff between Microsoft and the DOJ just after their settlement in 2001. Also, consider the Tunney Act proceeding wherein the judge was supposed to

Re: Tuxedo Park (was Skull Bones)

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
In a way, the Skull and Bones/Loomis gap is similar to the dichotomy between real and financial capital. Economic strength is increased by those who develop the technology and drained by those who live by nepotism and connections. Both factors are important. -- Michael Perelman Economics

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Devine, James
my 2 kopeks: it was under Clinton (or perhaps under Bush I or even Reagan) that anti-trust was shelved. The idea was that with globalization of competition in product markets, anti-trust wasn't needed. Of course, not all products have globalized markets... Jim Devine

Another Boston is Possible

2004-02-09 Thread Ruth Indeck
To URPE Members and Friends Forwarded from the Alliance of Radical Intellectual Organizations Another Boston is possible. Another world is possible. On July 23-25, 2004 at the University of Massachusetts at Boston

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
So are progressive economists for competition? Doesn't a high degree of concentration make social democratic politics easier? Doug

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
That was the big fight during the New Deal. One wing of the Democratic Party called for trust busting; the other, for organizing the potential of larger economic formations. Both sides have anti-progressive consequences. On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:10:45PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: So are

Re: Response:Bush and the F 102

2004-02-09 Thread Marvin Gandall
Fascinating stuff, Jim Craven. Never knew the details. Is it all documented in one place? - Original Message - From: Craven, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: [PEN-L] Response:Bush and the F 102 Bush and the Texas Guard flew the

GSA Conference: Globalization, Empire and Resistance

2004-02-09 Thread Ruth Indeck
To URPE Members and Friends Sent by Bill Tabb See website for questions: http://www.globalstudiesassociation.org/conferences.html Deadline for papers: March 1, 2004: http://www.net4dem.org/mayglobal/call4papers.htm *** Global

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Actually, the Reagan years were more important. The Chicago school, especially Robert Bork, made the case that antitrust hobbled American corporations in the international market. On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 03:08:28PM -0800, Devine, James wrote: my 2 kopeks: it was under Clinton (or perhaps under

Call For Papers: RADICAL ECONOMICS AND THE LABOR MOVEMENT

2004-02-09 Thread Ruth Indeck
To URPE Members and Friends From Joanne Steele ** Call For Papers: RADICAL ECONOMICS AND THE LABOR MOVEMENT CONFERENCE ON RADICAL ECONOMICS IN THE 20TH CENTURY: RADICAL ECONOMICS AND THE LABOR MOVEMENT Date: 15 - 17

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Eugene Coyle
Yes, it is at least back as far as Reagan that anti-trust was shelved. There has been an on-going interest in cases where foreign firms -- those bad folks verging on evil -- were colluding. Gene Devine, James wrote: my 2 kopeks: it was under Clinton (or perhaps under Bush I or even

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: That was the big fight during the New Deal. One wing of the Democratic Party called for trust busting; the other, for organizing the potential of larger economic formations. Both sides have anti-progressive consequences. Of course they do, without progressive

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
You are right, but which is more open for abuse through powerful manipulation? I wish we could have the benefits of the larger formation, without the negative consequences. Petty capitalism also has many unattractive features. On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:24:49PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:

Re: Tuxedo Park (was Skull Bones)

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
along the same lines, you may enjoy Zachary, G. Pascal. 1997. Endless Frontier: Vannevar Bush, Engineer of the American Century (NY: Free Press). -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Peter Hollings
I might guess that the Bork theory aluded to had either of the following underpinnings: a) more concentration in US markets would allow higher profit margins there, enhancing the capability of subsidizing entry into foreign markets; or, b) a size matters argument that the bigger you are, the more

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Devine, James
oligopoly or monopoly makes it easier for unions (compared to competitive markets), though of course oligopolists like Henry Ford opposed unions violently. Without successful countervailing power from unions and other forces, oligopolists are horrible. Jim Devine

Re: The economy - a new era?

2004-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
more consolidation means more efficiency. I think that the Japanese model was in the background of the thinking at the time. On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:40:15PM -0500, Peter Hollings wrote: I might guess that the Bork theory aluded to had either of the following underpinnings: a) more