Russia raises growth forecast

2004-03-26 Thread Chris Doss
Russia raises growth forecast AFP March 25, 2004 MOSCOW - Russia's economy chief has raised the nation's growth forecast for the next year by more than one percentage point only days after President Vladimir Putin scolded him in public for moving too slowly on reform. Russia's Economic

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread dsquared
To be honest, this is just more evidence of German overmanning. Does an orchestra really need two trombone players, a timpanist and an oboist, each of whom only plays a couple of notes? Surely there's some scope for retraining multitasking and flexible labour practices here. If everyone

Facing South

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Hoover
F A C I N G S O U T H A progressive Southern news report March 25, 2004 * Issue 77 _ INSTITUTE INDEX * The State Of Things Number of voters age 18-29 who think the country is off on the wrong track: 58 Number of states that have created as many jobs as President Bush predicted last year:

Proposed Berkeley Senate Resolution: Patriot Act

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Hoover
Subject: Proposed Berkeley Senate resolution: Patriot Act Attached (and pasted in below) you will find a proposed resolution that has been sent to the Academic Senate along with a request for a special meeting to vote on it. It urges non-compliance with the USA PATRIOT Act. (Please note that

Re: American flags

2004-03-26 Thread Bill Lear
On Friday, March 26, 2004 at 06:52:41 (+0100) Gassler Robert writes: We can either reject an important symbol for all sorts of intellectual reasons, or embrace it and tap into the emotions of a majority of the population. If the flag has been used against the left so effectively, why insist on

Al Franken on love

2004-03-26 Thread Bill Lear
Q. 9. Why do liberals like you, Al Franken, hate America? A. Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
Even better, in the case of stuff by Wagner, just don't do it. JD Wagner's music is better than it sounds. -- Mark Twain (paraphrased). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 3/26/2004 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Al Franken on love

2004-03-26 Thread Bill Lear
On Friday, March 26, 2004 at 07:00:34 (-0800) Devine, James writes: is he going to run for the Senate from Minnesota? He said he was thinking about it, but not until 2008, perhaps?? He said he had a radio show to do first. Bright guy. I think his lack of criticism of Kerry is lame, as is his

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
some of my best friends are Philistines. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Shane Mage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] More

PK on HMOs

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
[A pretty good column...] March 26, 2004/New York TIMES OP-ED COLUMNIST The Medicare Muddle By PAUL KRUGMAN In advance of Tuesday's reports by the Social Security and Medicare trustees, some credulous journalists wrote stories based on tips from advocates of Social Security privatization, who

Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Louis Proyect
On Znet you can find an article by Milan Rai (author of a worthwhile study of Noam Chomsky) that argues that the antiwar movement should not call for immediate withdrawal. Why? Because, according to recent polls, the Iraqis--no matter how much they are fed up with the occupation--are afraid of the

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Shane Mage
some of my best friends are Philistines. Not all Philistines are philistines. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Shane Mage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:36 AM To: [EMAIL

Oregon County Bans All Marriage

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Last Updated: Wednesday, 24 March, 2004, 16:17 GMT Oregon county bans all marriages Confused by the twists and turns of the US gay marriage issue, Oregon's Benton County has decided to err on the side of caution and ban all weddings. Until the state decides who can and cannot wed,

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
In a way, the violinists' demands are not as strange as they seem. Richard Biernacki has argued that the Germans and the British had a different conception of labor -- the Germans historically measured labor by something like Marx's labor power; the British, by the value produced by labor. For

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
in German[y] publishers paid authors by the number of pages they produced rather than by the sales of the books. that would explain the verbose style of German authors? but wasn't Dickens paid by the word? Jim D.

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't know about Dickens, but yes, even Marx complained about having to make his book long for the damn German publisher. On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 09:10:13AM -0800, Devine, James wrote: that would explain the verbose style of German authors? but wasn't Dickens paid by the word? Jim D. --

Re: Government aid for US mortgages

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
One nice primer I have found regarding the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac operations http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=13sequence=2 -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Shifting genres in media/pop culture and the shifting SSA of Monopoly Capitalism/Imperialism

2004-03-26 Thread Craven, Jim
Title: Message Does anyone know of work being done to analyze emergences/passings/dominance of various genres in media/"pop culture" (content, scope, impacts, sponsors, target demographics, revenues, linkages, methods of competitionetc) and the shifting SSA and SSA requirements of Monopoly

Re: More on LNG

2004-03-26 Thread Eugene Coyle
Michael, The trade says that LNG imports make sense if the domestic price of gas is around $5.00 mcf. It has been above that level for a year or so, after trading normally from $2.50 to 3.50 in recent years. Gene Coyle Michael Perelman wrote: I had my realized before your last message that so

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Gil Skillman
But Michael, number of pages produced is a measure of labor performed, not labor power. And in Marxian terms, the value produced by labor is to some extent redundant, since to Marx labor *is* the substance of value, no? It would be more accurate to say on the basis of your example that the

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Lou wrote; Until there is a level playing field in Iraq, it seems rather pointless to pay attention to Western pollsters. It's mind-boggling for leftists such as Milan Rai to suggest that Western pollsters, whose governments are belligerent occupiers in Iraq, could get honest answers from the

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: It's mind-boggling for leftists such as Milan Rai to suggest that Western pollsters, whose governments are belligerent occupiers in Iraq, could get honest answers from the Iraqis whom they survey in the occupied territory. How would the Iraqis know if the pollsters

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread ertugrul ahmet tonak
Actually, there is historical evidence that during the Ottoman period a primitive technique of poll taking was developed and used in certain Sancaks, including in the region what we nowaday call Iraq. Doug Henwood wrote: He attributed their enthusiasm to the fact that no one had asked their

The Newdow case

2004-03-26 Thread Marvin Gandall
Ellen Goodman in todays San Francisco Chronicle says that atheist Michael Newdows constitutional challenge to the American Pledge of Allegiance may be nettlesome, but raises important questions of principle. Newdow, an emergency room doctor with a law degree, was allowed to argue his own case

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 2:27 PM -0500 3/26/04, Doug Henwood wrote: It's mind-boggling for leftists such as Milan Rai to suggest that Western pollsters, whose governments are belligerent occupiers in Iraq, could get honest answers from the Iraqis whom they survey in the occupied territory. How would the Iraqis know if

Re: Shifting genres in media/pop culture and the shifting SSA of Monopoly Capitalism/Imperialism

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
With the cowboys, the railroad people, bankers, and owners of large estates were often the bad guys. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Are the current occupiers in Iraq the first belligerent occupier in history to poll the occupied in the hope of having the world accept the polling results as a justification for the occupation? Did you actually read the results of the Gallup Poll? The opinions were very

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
Gil writes: But Michael, number of pages produced is a measure of labor performed, not labor power. I was going to say something similar, but held off, since Michael doesn't seem to like discussions of Marxian value theory. Note that number of pages produced isn't a very good measure of

Re: Shifting genres in media/pop culture and the shifting SSA of Monopoly Capitalism/Imperialism

2004-03-26 Thread Craven, Jim
With the cowboys, the railroad people, bankers, and owners of large estates were often the bad guys. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu Very perceptive. You can of course add us savage Indians

Re: Shifting genres in media/pop culture and the shifting SSA of Monopoly Capitalism/Imperialism

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Maybe Michael Hoover or Yoshie can help us out, but I think that the morality police during the 30s pressured Hollywood not to show class conflict. Michael, a distant relative of the Warner Bros, both of whose grandfathers along with many others in town, were offered a $50 partnership, and whose

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread michael
Regarding your first point, authors according to Biernacki, were paid by the page. Goethe was upset that he was paid identically with the creator of some trash. The only way to win an economic advantage was to produce more pages per hour. Perhaps, this can lead to the creation of Internet

Re: Walmart

2004-03-26 Thread charles1848
[UFCW organizing leader Mike] Leonard says his dpartment receives approximately 100 web-generated messages daily from Wal-Mart workers ... that organizers turn into contacts. (Labor Notes, April 2004, p. 7) Date:Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:56:43 -0800 From:Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Joel Wendland
Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will attribute to those in other parts of the world who aren't saying what they want them to say (or can't really hear what they are syaing) the quality of being a tool. It is pretty clear from Iraqi sources apart from this poll

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Joel wrote: Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will attribute to those in other parts of the world who aren't saying what they want them to say (or can't really hear what they are syaing) the quality of being a tool. I am at a university, but I occupy a cubicle

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
The occupation is a situation with no good options at all. For the US to stay, for the US to pack up and leave immediately, or for the United Nations to come in all have negative consequences. In addition, a discussion like this necessarily involves several different measures that various

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will attribute to those in other parts of the world who aren't saying what they want them to say (or can't really hear what they are syaing) the quality of being a tool. On the other hand, people do often reply to polls by

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Are the current occupiers in Iraq the first belligerent occupier in history to poll the occupied in the hope of having the world accept the polling results as a justification for the occupation? Did you actually read the results of the Gallup Poll? The opinions were very

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: It's absurd to think that the occupied can freely say what they believe if they suspect that they have a good chance of talking to an informer. Then why did nearly 20% say that it was ok to attack U.S. troops? Why did something like 50% say they had unfavorable opinions of

Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 4:07 PM -0800 3/26/04, Devine, James wrote: people do often reply to polls by saying what they feel they ought to say. They often do even under normal circumstances in the United States (e.g., Americans overstate their church attendance). Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under

wto gambling decision goes against US

2004-03-26 Thread michael
This is a very interesting story. The US wants to justify its position on moral grounds, which supposedly trump trade rules. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/26/technology/26gamble.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University michael at ecst.csuchico.edu Chico, CA

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: It's absurd to think that the occupied can freely say what they believe if they suspect that they have a good chance of talking to an informer. Then why did nearly 20% say that it was ok to attack U.S. troops? Why did something like 50% say they had unfavorable opinions of

Re: PK on HMOs

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Pollak
[A pretty good column...] And one more sizeable step in his suprisingly swift evolution away from mainstream economic thinking and towards common sense: There's a lesson in this experience. Sometimes there's no magic in the free market - in fact, it can be a hindrance. Health insurance is one

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship, checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of speech. Since you

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship, checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of speech. And I know

U.S. Arm-Twists Iraqis to Seek U.N. Help Before Jun. 30

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 6:29 PM -0500 3/26/04, Joel Wendland wrote: Most Iraqis of a democratic perpsuasion would prefer the presence of UN peacekeepers for the maintenance of security. Ahmed Chalabi, Bush's point man in the IGC, has tried to deny this and say that Iraqis don't want or need a UN presence, but he and

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 9:20 PM -0500 3/26/04, Doug Henwood wrote: Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship, checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that this thread regarding polls is becoming repetitive. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: [lbo-talk] Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Carrol Cox
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: At 4:07 PM -0800 3/26/04, Devine, James wrote: people do often reply to polls by saying what they feel they ought to say. They often do even under normal circumstances in the United States (e.g., Americans overstate their church attendance). Doug and Joel ought to

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Carrol Cox
Devine, James wrote: Quoting someone: Some folks sititng in university offices in the United States often will And there are some folks who never choose to argue with specific arguments from specific opponents. They prefer to set up ghostly (and mostly nonexistent) opponents with silly

Re: U.S. Officials Fashion Legal Basis to Keep Force in Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Joel Wendland
U.S. Officials Fashion Legal Basis to Keep Force in Iraq by John F Burns and Thom Shanker BAGHDAD, Iraq — With fewer than 100 days to go before Iraq resumes its sovereignty, American officials say they believe they have found a legal basis for American troops to continue their military control

Re: U.S. Arm-Twists Iraqis to Seek U.N. Help Before Jun. 30

2004-03-26 Thread Joel Wendland
Probably shouldn't confuse a UN assessment team and advisor that won't even number the same as the 1,000 bureaucrats that were in Iraq last September. _ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN.

Re: Shifting genres in media/pop culture and the shifting SSA of Monopoly Capitalism/Imperialism

2004-03-26 Thread joanna bujes
Craven, Jim wrote: In the case of the Reality shows, they are relatively cheap to produce, focus on trappings of wealth (temporary) like being set in exotic locales and big mansions, and of course utilize, celebrate, preach, reward and reinforce: rat-race individualism, greed, selfishness,

Re: U.S. Arm-Twists Iraqis to Seek U.N. Help Before Jun. 30

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Probably shouldn't confuse a UN assessment team and advisor that won't even number the same as the 1,000 bureaucrats that were in Iraq last September. The United Nations is in the business of supporting what Washington wants: *Bremer: Vote may be 15 months away By Edmund Sanders Los

Re: [lbo-talk] Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Joel Wendland
Doug and Joel ought to remember that Iraq is *under foreign military occupation conducting counterinsurgency warfare* with censorship, checkpoints, house raids, arbitrary arrest and detention, no due process, etc. -- i.e. Iraqis do not have freedom of speech. I'm not sure why I'm being

Information Warfare (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 9:17 PM -0600 3/26/04, Carrol Cox wrote: Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: At 4:07 PM -0800 3/26/04, Devine, James wrote: people do often reply to polls by saying what they feel they ought to say. They often do even under normal circumstances in the United States (e.g., Americans overstate their church

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
Yoshie writes: ?The idea of the occupier polling the occupied with a view to using the results for propaganda purposes is patently absurd, but you obviously don't think it is -- very perplexing. it reminds me of an old cartoon in the NEW YORKER, back in the 1960s: two South Vietnamese soldiers