Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-30 Thread Chris Doss
Actually it's the kind of pompous Western bloviating the eXile likes to mock. Dagestanis are just like Kurds! I don't know Dagestan from a hole on the ground, but they must be just like Kurds, cause, well, I don't know, they just are! They speak Dagestani there in Dagestan, they shore do! Where

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-30 Thread Chris Doss
Actually it's the kind of pompous Western bloviating the eXile likes to mock. Dagestanis are just like Kurds! I don't know Dagestan from a hole on the ground, but they must be just like Kurds, cause, well, I don't know, they just are! They speak Dagestani there in Dagestan, they shore do!

NYT: On the Hunt for Hearts and Minds

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Pollak
[The headline and introduction to this are completely misleading -- they make it sound like this is an approach that has promise: It is not clear whether they had won, or lost, more hearts and minds. But the day by day account that follows seems to me to leave no doubt. This seems like a

Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-30 Thread Charles Brown
From: Louis Proyect -clip- Marx and Engels supported the cause of Irish independence long before Marxists like Connolly were involved. They did not extract promises from bourgeois nationalists that they would expropriate the expropriators. CB: We are in the U.S., the imperialist power that

Re: Job flight

2004-03-30 Thread dsquared
Inputs and outputs, though. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a precapitalist economy or in most forms of Actually Existing Socialism, but one argument that I always think ought to get more traction is that capitalism has singularly failed to shorten the working day. A lot of people

Re: Job flight

2004-03-30 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inputs and outputs, though. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a precapitalist economy or in most forms of Actually Existing Socialism, but one argument that I always think ought to get more traction is that capitalism has singularly failed to shorten the working day.

Re: Job flight

2004-03-30 Thread Max B. Sawicky
The trick is not getting in until 10:30 a.m. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Henwood Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Job flight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inputs and outputs, though. I certainly

Good thing they're not splitting hairs

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Pollak
In today's Times one of Rice's minions, Franklin Miller, disputes Clarke's account of 9/11: quote In Mr. Clarke's account, in a chapter called Evacuate the White House, he heads into the Situation Room at the first word of attack and begins issuing orders to close embassies and put military

The power of the purse?

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Pollak
[From the Slate newsletter, Today's Papers] excerpt USA Today leads with a poll that has President Bush ahead of Senator Kerry 49 percent to 45 percent with Ralph Nader at 4 percent. The poll claims that in 17 battleground states where Bush has launched an ad barrage, Kerry went from a 28 point

Diversion of resources, Part II

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Pollak
First the military diverted specialized forces from Afghanistan to Iraq: URL: http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20040329/6056156s.htm And now the same process is being carried out by the free market: URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/30/politics/30MILI.html Michael

U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread Charles Brown
From: Bill Lear Let me get this right: since only 1,000 out of 24 million came out for a very vocal demonstration, that shows how cowed they are; therefore,10,000 in the U.S., keeping proportions constant, shows the same thing? ^^ CB: Aren't a lot of Americans cowed ? ( As in standing

U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread Charles Brown
It probably would have taken a civil war (i.e. chaos) for Iraqis to overthrow Saddam. Would those who now oppose U.S. withdrawal from Iraq because it will lead to civil war have opposed a revolt against the Baathists ? Charles

Re: Good thing they're not splitting hairs

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Why then does this qualify as news. A judge ruled today that some lawyer doesn't have the right to the photographs of Vincent Foster's dead body, which we certainly prove that Hillary murdered him in cold blood. I'm surprised that the press has left the Travelgate scandal fall by the wayside.

Re: Good thing they're not splitting hairs

2004-03-30 Thread Devine, James
Michael Perelman writes: A judge ruled today that some lawyer doesn't have the right to the photographs of Vincent Foster's dead body, which we certainly prove [?] that Hillary murdered him in cold blood. strange bedfellows: the Bush admin. sided with the defender of Foster's privacy in order

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: It probably would have taken a civil war (i.e. chaos) for Iraqis to overthrow Saddam. Would those who now oppose U.S. withdrawal from Iraq because it will lead to civil war have opposed a revolt against the Baathists ? Who opposes U.S. withdrawal from Iraq? The position of

Re: Diversion of resources, Part II

2004-03-30 Thread Devine, James
but isn't the free market simply the embodiment of the military? or is it vice-versa? ;-) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine First the military diverted specialized forces from Afghanistan to Iraq: URL:

Re: Job flight

2004-03-30 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inputs and outputs, though. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a precapitalist economy or in most forms of Actually Existing Socialism, After Marx returned from a vacation in Germany in which he had been well entertained by some friends in the aristocracy there,

utopianism

2004-03-30 Thread Devine, James
[was: RE: [PEN-L] Job flight] Carroll wrote:That's one reason socialists should for the most part emphasize the negative in their agitation and propaganda. Guesses about what will be good in the future are mostly sort of silly. But we can know with intensity what is not to be tolerated in the

Style over substance

2004-03-30 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, March 30, 2004 Give Me a Rebel, but Hold the Politics By GINIA BELLAFANTE Sam Seb is a children's clothing store in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn that specializes in the sort of garments, tiny Levi's, baby Dries van Noten tops that have been created with the assumption that

Spreading the wealth around

2004-03-30 Thread Louis Proyect
Name/Occupation/Employer: Donald J. Trump/President/The Trump Organization Address: 725 5th Ave New York, NY 10022 Contribution: John Kerry, $2,000 Name/Occupation/Employer: Donald J. Trump/President/The Trump Organization Address: 725 5th Ave New York, NY 10022 Contribution: George W. Bush,

URPE at Brecht Forum, Spring 2004

2004-03-30 Thread Ruth Indeck
URPE AT BRECHT FORUM, SPRING 2004 presented by New York Union for Radical Political Economics and the Brecht Forum

Re: Working like dogs (was Job flight)

2004-03-30 Thread Tom Walker
d-squared wrote: but one argument that I always think ought to get more traction is that capitalism has singularly failed to shorten the working day. A lot of people intuitively realise that there is something wrong here; we were promised robot slaves and unlimited leisure time in the

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 12:08 PM -0500 3/30/04, Doug Henwood wrote: a UN force without the U.S. to replace the U.S. Who do they think will contribute the troops to make up a UN force without the US? -- Yoshie * Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/ * Calendars of Events in Columbus:

Re: Working like dogs (was Job flight)

2004-03-30 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I agree on the big points, but all the LK memo seeks to do is show that getting to 10 million and 4.1 in four years is plausible in historical context. His memo does not attempt to demonstrate that Kerry's plan gets us there. If he showed 40 million jobs and one percent unemployment, it would be

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread Devine, James
Doug Henwood wrote: a UN force without the U.S. to replace the U.S. Yoshie asks: Who do they think will contribute the troops to make up a UN force without the US? the Arab League has been mentioned... JD

Re: Working like dogs (was Job flight)

2004-03-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Max B. Sawicky wrote: My gripe about this teensy memo is that 4.1 is couched in terms of being a structural goal requiring supply-side improvements in the tax code, rather than something accessible with fiscal policy. Not coincidentally, Kerry has no fiscal policy and is mouthing anti-deficit

Yahoo! News - Iraq War Was about Israel, Bush Insider Suggests

2004-03-30 Thread ravi
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=655e=1u=/oneworld/20040330/wl_oneworld/4536827661080666584 Iraq War Was about Israel, Bush Insider Suggests Tue Mar 30, 1:05 PM ET Emad Mekay, Inter Press Service WASHINGTON, Mar 29 (IPS) - Iraq (news - web sites) under Saddam Hussein (news - web

breaking news.

2004-03-30 Thread Devine, James
[from the ONION] Bush Addresses 8.2 Million Unemployed: 'Get A Job!' WASHINGTON, DC-Responding to the nation's worst unemployment rate since the Hoover Administration, President Bush addressed the nation's 8.2 million unemployed workers in a televised speech Monday. The economy has been on the

Re: Working like dogs (was Job flight)

2004-03-30 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Yes, though less hard when there's no employment growth. As for what Clinton 'did,' as opposed to who he did, the biggest factors seems to have been the dot com bubble and household debt stimulating demand. Obviously there were other ways AD could have been boosted, but Clinton wasn't interested

Re: Working like dogs (was Job flight)

2004-03-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Max B. Sawicky wrote: As for what Clinton 'did,' as opposed to who he did, the biggest factors seems to have been the dot com bubble and household debt stimulating demand. Obviously there were other ways AD could have been boosted, but Clinton wasn't interested in them. Blinder's book sez the

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread dmschanoes
Is this the same Arab League whose summit just collapsed or is this a different Arab League? Is this the same UN that imposed sanctions on Iraq for 12+ years, that backed down with a whimper when Israel refused to allow its inspection of Jenin, that has never even debated sanctions against the US

Re: Working like dogs (was Job flight)

2004-03-30 Thread Max B. Sawicky
It's true I've tended to think of public employment as a last resort, rather than on an equal footing with counter-cyclical and work time. There's no reason to do so. Politics at one time or another may favor and disfavor any of them. I hereby elevate it to my Sacred Threesome. Active labor

Fwd: A MILLION WORKERS MARCH ON WASHINGTON

2004-03-30 Thread Sabri Oncu
RESOLUTION PROPOSING A MILLION WORKERS MARCH ON WASHINGTON ADOPTED BY ILWU LOCAL Whereas: our ancestors fought tirelessly in this country for the right to organize unions and ensure that our government recognized this right because it is a cornerstone of democracy, and Whereas: that because of

Re: utopianism

2004-03-30 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, I see nothing wrong with utopian dreaming, as long as it's not seen as a matter of thinking up blueprints that _must_ be imposed. Just about everything I lay my hands on these days has the word Utopia in it. Chapman (1909): It occurred to me after a cursory examination of

Re: utopianism

2004-03-30 Thread Mike Ballard
Thatcher's TINA is the opposite side of the utopian coin. Commies have to know what they want as well as what they want to leave behind in history's dustbin. Regards, Mike B) = 1844 Paris Manuscripts, Marx makes a major point of the relationship between the sexes: The infinite degradation in

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Doug Henwood wrote: a UN force without the U.S. to replace the U.S. Yoshie asks: Who do they think will contribute the troops to make up a UN force without the US? the Arab League has been mentioned... JD How many troops does the Arab League have and how many of them can they afford to send to

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Is this the same Arab League whose summit just collapsed or is this a different Arab League? * No lost sleep over the postponed summit By Danny Rubinstein The Palestinian leadership was not especially disappointed yesterday when it learned of the postponement of the Arab summit conference

China, Japan, the Dollar

2004-03-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
What's China's share of all government purchases of U.S. assets? * A trade deficit must be financed by net borrowing from the rest of the world. The United States was effectively spending about 5% more than it was producing last year, but cannot continue to borrow at such a high rate