Re: Re: autism and autistic economics

2002-09-13 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/12/02 11:17:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recently, I was trying to convince my son, who has Asperger's Syndrome (borderline autism), that nothing can ever be perfect. This goes against his perfectionism, a common symptom of AS, which encourages him

Re: RE: Reply to Michael Berube

2002-09-16 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/16/02 3:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there anyone out (in the U.S.) there who doesn't "speak only for themselves," i.e., has actual organic links to the working class and have been elected as representatives by some sector of that class? Or

Re: RE: [A-List] The Left Book Club by the A-List

2002-09-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/18/02 8:14:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm game. Maybe somebody will start a pool on how long it takes for me to get thrown out, though that will not be my intention. mbs Thrown Out? This is not the era of industrial socialism organized as a

Re: Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/22/02 8:15:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 22/09/2002 14:53, you wrote: I expect we'll soon see all conscientious libertarians and consistent social Darwinists rise up in revulsion against this Bush doctrine. Why so? 100 hundred years after

Re: Re: A privatized public good: Higher Education

2002-09-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/23/02 5:28:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not sure what Sabri's reading of the article is. What I read is that the public universities are underfunded [The Economist approves of this] and that private universities are becoming more prominent.

Re: Re: On the US ruling class split

2002-09-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/27/02 6:42:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not seen any anti-war activity from any of the "leaders" in government. I just sent a note to my former student -- his wife used to babysit for us and he helped keep our tractor in repair -- who is now

Re: RE: Re: academic lingo

2002-09-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/27/02 1:52:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you're right. Many times on pen-l, I've railed against the Mandarin Mentality of academics, who use all sorts of unneeded jargon or math in order to make their ideas seem profound (or to get tenure, or

Re: Re: bullying/Fascism

2002-10-03 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/1/02 7:28:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Carrol Cox wrote: But again, my central point is that incontinent use of the label "fascist" shows a naive faith in the goodness of simple capitalist democracy. If capitalist democracy were such a total

Re: Re: bullying

2002-10-03 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/1/02 6:07:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Carrol Cox wrote, To call the Bush administration fascist is capitalist apologetics. It is also bad American history. The Bush administration's ideological extremism is as "American as cherry pie". Fascism

new book/stock market crash

2002-10-03 Thread Waistline2
Return to First Read: 'Rich Dad' Buy 'Rich Dad's Prophecy' on Barnesandnoble.com The Law That Changed the World From a conversation in the 1970s between rich dad and author Robert T. Kiyosaki: "Do you remember me telling you about ERISA?" asked rich dad. "Yes, vaguely," I replied. "You've

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: bullying-2

2002-10-03 Thread Waistline2
"What made up the fascist character of the counter revolution was not simply its brutality or violence, but the fact that the 'revolt of the poor whites' cloaked itself in the mantle of saving the South. The fascist led 'revolt' was the absolute agent of finance capital of the North. The

Re: Re: Holy Roman Empire 2002

2002-10-03 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/3/02 6:41:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But unwittingly, and at the expense of Iraq, what is being forged through all this jostling is a world government. It may take several decades more, but the pace is accelerating, and it could be shorter than

Re: Re: PK's the man with the plan

2002-10-04 Thread Waistline2
He's the man with the plan has a counterfeit dollar in his hand. He's mister know it all. Must be see There's no doubt, He the coolest one with the biggest mouth. He's Mister know it all. When you say that he living wrong He will say that he's living right and you would be a better man . . . .

Re: PK's the man with the plan

2002-10-04 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/4/02 8:28:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New York TIMES/October 4, 2002 My Economic Plan By PAUL KRUGMAN Although other news has been drowned out by the barking of the dogs of war, something ominous is happening on the economic front. It's not

Re: over-investment

2002-10-04 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/4/02 9:15:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My own view of the business "cycle" is a combination of over-investment theory and Keynes. In some eras, capitalism over-shoots relative to supply constraints (as in the late 1960s) so that there are cost

Re: An excerpt from Michael Yates's new book

2002-10-04 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/4/02 5:42:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let us conclude this book by making some observations on three things we will have to do to achieve a society founded upon the above principles. First, any new society worthy of the name will have to embrace

Re: Re: Jim Crow Fascism (was Re: bullying)

2002-10-05 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/4/02 4:26:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, I just want to repeat something I said earlier. Maybe you missed it, it is easy to do that on this prolific list. Fascism is a concept as well as a word with historical-polical meaning. You can take

Re: FW: [A-List] US imperialism: Iraq and oil

2002-10-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/7/02 2:33:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Baker report highlights massive shortages in world oil supplies which now leave the US facing 'unprecedented energy price volatility' and has led to recurring electricity black-outs in areas such as

Re: Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/8/02 6:11:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the assertion that the "bourgeoisie and the working class have nothing in common", I do not think that is true. There is a contradiction between the working class and the bourgeoisie. There is both

Re: Melvin Scores for Contemporary Marxism.

2002-10-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/10/02 3:15:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason the revolution is blocked is because technology and materialism alone do not drive qualitative changes in social organization. The leap is not entirely objective, we much apply creative

Re: Singer Belafonte Likens Powell to 'House Slave'

2002-10-13 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/13/02 6:51:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The entertainer, who like Powell is a black man of Jamaican descent, criticized the secretary when asked by radio host Ted Leitner whether he thought Powell had taken a low profile as the Bush administration

Re: Re: campus anti-war movements

2002-10-13 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/13/02 9:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Devine, James" wrote: Seeds of Protest Growing on College Campuses By TAMAR LEWIN New York TIMES/Oct. 12, 2002 [CLIP] "We knew that military action was likely soon, and wanted to give students who

Re: Chinese manufacturing

2002-10-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/21/02 8:33:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shopping for a pair of shoes? Chances are that nimble Chinese hands sewed them, along with nearly 80% of the footwear purchased in the United States. That French provincial bedroom set on the showroom floor?

Singer Belafonte Likens Powell to 'House Slave'

2002-10-13 Thread Waistline2
Singer Belafonte Likens Powell to 'House Slave' Wed Oct 9, 5:06 PM ET By Steve Gorman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Singer Harry Belafonte (news) lashed out at Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) in a racially charged radio interview, likening the former general to a plantation slave

Re: Re: dismantling due process

2002-11-06 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/5/02 2:10:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The short answer is that during WWII the soviet people fought against a fascism whose explicit aim was their enslavement; in 1989, they were sold out by Stalinist bureaucrats and black marketeers. The

Re: Re:Re: dismantling due process

2002-11-06 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/5/02 2:10:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why did Stalin sign on to the Nazi-Soviet Nonagression Pact? It only bought time for the Nazis - that is why they wanted this pact so badly!. Why didn't Stalin double cross Hitler as a "true revolutionary"

Re: Hi Joanne- re 2WW - I almost forgot

2002-11-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/6/02 2:35:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : "The Chamberlain government ., as a defender of capitalism, refused . . . to enter into an alliance with the USSR against Germany. . . . In the pact of August 23rd, 1939, they (the Soviet government --

Re: Re: Re: Re: little upward mobility in the US,says Fed econ...

2002-11-08 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/8/02 10:53:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm aware of the ideological importance of the fact and/or illusion of mobility, but I think leftists need in addition to have a grasp of its material reality (and/or unreality). And its ideological importance

Re: Re: Sociobiology in the Nation Magazine

2002-11-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/10/02 6:51:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim Devine: It's quite possible that Pinker is attacking the kind of communism that's popularly imagined - - the kind of gray homogeneity that Stalinism tried to impose - - rather than the kind of communism

Re: Re: Re: Sociobiology in the Nation Magazine

2002-11-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/10/02 9:44:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Louis Proyect wrote: Again, Johnson specifically argues against the view that biology determines some sort of "eternal nature of things." And Chomsky, as I read him, isn't hostile to revolution _per se _ as

Re: RE: Re: Re: Sociobiology in the Nation Magazine

2002-11-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/10/02 9:51:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Perelman:Doyle's post was outstanding. ... I was not sure that we could learn much from Pinker. I agree. Doyles' contribution was great! It should be remembered that I was not defending Pinker or

Re: RE: Re: Sociobiology in the Nation Magazine

2002-11-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/10/02 11:09:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Louis P. writes: I am not going to take up Jim Devine's misunderstanding of the sociobiology issues posed by Johnson/Pinker since Doyle Saylor has done so with such alacrity. Instead I will focus on the

Re: style or ideology

2002-11-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/11/02 1:03:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10/11/02 20:30 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: Jim Devine: I was instead thinking in terms of Marx's principle that workers can only be truly liberated by the working people themselves, not by some

Re: Re: style or ideology

2002-11-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/11/02 7:19:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this list were reduced to everybody who agreed with me ideologically, I would be writing e-mails to myself and nobody else. I don't think that the humor is terribly disruptive; it is not constructive

Re: Re: style or ideology-2

2002-11-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/11/02 7:04:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ain't a fucking word in this proposition about some goddamn working class. The class consciousness of the working class was vital in a different way during the transition from agrarian relations to industrial

Re: soc. from below/my conclusion

2002-11-14 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/14/02 8:44:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fact is that the Russian Revolution failed, leading to the rise of a powerful new stratum, a self-selecting elite (the CPSU). There were lots of things that happened that were out of socialists' control

Re: Re: Theory/my conclusion

2002-11-15 Thread Waistline2
"But the perfecting of machinery is making human labor superfluous. If the introduction and increase of machinery means the displacement of millions of manual by a few machine-workers, improvement in machinery means the displacement of more and more of the machine-workers themselves. It means, in

Re: Re: Theory/my conclusion

2002-11-15 Thread Waistline2
"But the perfecting of machinery is making human labor superfluous. If the introduction and increase of machinery means the displacement of millions of manual by a few machine-workers, improvement in machinery means the displacement of more and more of the machine-workers themselves. It means, in

Re: Resnick and Wolff on USSR (from A List)

2002-11-19 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/18/02 3:34:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Gulick wrote: the "state capitalism" thesis (advanced by both the News and Letters gang and the Rethinking Marxism crowd, among others) is a sorry artifact of political convenience and intellectual

Re: Birds of a feather

2002-11-19 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/19/02 8:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Sooner or later it had to happen. Peter Singer, an "animal rights leftist," who also argues that handicapped children should be killed for their own good, has written a new book promoting globalization in

Re: Re: Re: Hi Joanne- re 2WW - I almost forgot

2002-11-20 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/18/02 7:23:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Joanna - I'm an anarchist leaning independent socialist myself. (I would explain why I'm not an anarchist, but I doubt it would be of great interest to anyone.) I know that Stalin was a butcher, monster,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi Joanne- re 2WW - I almost forgot

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/20/02 9:36:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/20/02 3:53:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/18/02 7:23:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi Joanne- re 2WW - I almost forgot

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/20/02 3:53:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/18/02 7:23:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Monster, butcher, mass murderer? I have an opinion about monsters in American history and

Re: Re: Stallin Stalin

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/20/02 6:19:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 16:17:51 (-0800) Devine, James writes: ... 1) while it makes sense for Stalin to make a deal with Hitler from a nationalist perspective given the circumstances, does it make

Re: Stalin's fascination.

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/21/02 7:17:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [was: RE: Re: Rx6: Joanne- re 2WW - I almost forgot] Michael asks why we should give a sh*t about Stalin. It's simple. One way to figure out how to arrange for socialist success in the future is to try to

Re: Re: Stallin Stalin 1 fo 3

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/21/02 5:37:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: one can take a "history make all" position and absolve Stalin sort of a al Louis althusser. if there are real objective heavily weighing historical conditions that leave not much room for soviet policy

Re: Re: Stallin Stalin 2 of 3

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
Part 2 of 3 Let us attack the question from another side. How can one have a transition to communism without a communist class, which is also in transition? Industrial society has industrial classes. Classes emerge on the basis of the productivity infrastructure and its tools - technology. What

Re: Re: Stallin Stalin 3 of 3

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
Part 3 of 3 If Stalin would have done this, that or the other: if this leader would have done it "my way": if there was more democracy; if Stalin was not a monster; if this or that agreement was not made, etc. Fine, I will not object to this. Stalin was irrational on this and that policy and such

Re: Re: Re: Rx6: Joanne- re 2WW - I almost forgot

2002-11-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/20/02 5:11:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is this strange fascination with Stalin? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To a not small degree it is

Re: Lucent, pensions

2002-11-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/20/02 5:42:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "It totally goes against the grain of how I was raised," said Bart Dellabella, 62, a retired Lucent draftsman who has begun driving a truck after losing virtually the entire balance of his 401(k) account,

Re: Value and the Robot

2002-11-22 Thread Waistline2
"I have dealt more at length with the "undiminished" proceeds of labor, on the one hand, and with "equal right" and "fair distribution", on the other, in order to show what a crime it is to attempt, on the one hand, to force on our Party again, as dogmas, ideas which in a certain period had some

Re: Re: Stallin Stalin 3 of 3

2002-11-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/22/02 9:21:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no doubt that automation and, at least for the past 30 years or so, computerization have been on going transformations in the current mode of production but there had been other periods in the past in

Re: Re: Stallin Stalin 3 of 3

2002-11-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/22/02 10:09:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I said: I don't mean to say that we are not experiencing an evolutionary leap in the mode of production, because I personally don't have sufficient data to conclude either way, but maybe we can explain this

Re: Re: Stallin Stalin 3 of 3

2002-11-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/22/02 11:54:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that I disagree with that evolution of speculative capital contains a life of its own, that is, it is own laws, but I am not sure if we really can write down what exactly those laws are. Who knows! Maybe,

Re: Re: FW: base-superstructure model

2002-11-24 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/24/02 3:46:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People do not use Marxist terminology, my impression is that analyzing the superstructure in relation to changes in the economic base, is so widespread that most commentators do not notice that this is

Re: Re: RE: Re: John Rawls/I forgot

2002-11-28 Thread Waistline2
I forgot who I was replying to, but the article is worthwhile - to me. (To much fun). Melvin P. "Communism no longer exists, American military power has never been greater, but the U.S. has never been so insecure and its people more vulnerable. After fifty years of interventions in the

Re: Bush, moron?

2002-11-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/28/02 12:59:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "He's a very angry guy, a hostile guy. He's much like Nixon. So they're very, very careful to choreograph every move he makes. They don't want him anywhere near protestors, because he would lose his temper."

Re: Rawls redux

2002-12-02 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/1/02 6:24:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sort of inequalities that the difference principle would endorse was illustrated in Alec Nove's The Economics of Feasible Socialism. In 1979, Pravda admitted that the "complexity of the central plan", which

Re: Forward Just say no

2002-12-05 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/5/02 5:19:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then why is Japan so weak and trying to get a grip and stay competitive in the global economy? That is the making of another email. I also want to write about finding common ground between your economic model

Re: Re: Bush Ousts O'Neill, Lindsey

2002-12-07 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/7/02 1:14:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bush is starting to run out of options, because whatever is done with the currency or taxes, fundamentally there is a finite global mass of exchange value. It is a zero sum game. The incessant drive of

Re: Re: Re: United Airlines and market socialism

2002-12-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/9/02 8:23:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Real life proved how senseless the plan was. Kuibyshev had recklessly predicted that costs would go down, meanwhile they went up: although the plan allocated 22 billion rubles for industry, transportation and

Re: Value again

2002-12-13 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/12/02 2:49:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Capitalism in the period of US hegemony, which is the period of Extremist Imperialism, has entered a twilight period of moribund decay and self-destruction. This Law, the Law of Social Thermodynamics, is one

Re: Re: Gotta Have Faith

2002-12-17 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/17/02 6:36:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was reminded of the South African coal miners who were forced by apartheid to live long distances from their job. In the USA you are beginning to see a kind of economic apartheid. Go to

Re: Re: Re: The ideological implications of Scorcese's latest f...

2002-12-21 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/20/02 6:41:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "America was born in the streets," the posters for "Gangs" proclaim. Later, Amsterdam Vallon, in the aftermath of the draft riots, muses that "our great city was born in blood and tribulation." Nobody as

Re: Re: Trap tripped Lott

2002-12-24 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/23/02 12:26:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what has happened for the conservative right that Bush let him [Lott] fall? When you are about to incinerate dark skinned people in the Middle East by sending black American soldiers to their deaths, you

Re: Re: Re: Re: Trap tripped Lott

2002-12-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/25/02 5:35:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dan and Melvin, My two cents related to your thread on Lott: http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1223-06.htm Seth Sandronsky I just read the article above and it was short, sweet and to the point -

Re: Rael: atheist, non-profit, spiritual organisation

2002-12-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/27/02 12:23:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: QUICK SUMMARY OF THE MESSAGES: SCIENTISTS FROM ANOTHER PLANET CREATED ALL LIFE ON EARTH USING D.N.A. Traces of this epic masterpiece of creation can be found in all religious writings. It is to them that

Re: Re: Rael: atheist, non-profit, spiritual organisation

2002-12-27 Thread Waistline2
The closest I have seen to scientific enquiry into the birth of the planet is the Manichean (Sabi'a) recent translation of the Kinsa riba. in it seems that the planet was boiling hot for millions of years ago and then it cooled and there was life etc. sounds pretty cool. also in that it seems that

Re: Re: Re: Re: Too much PC

2002-12-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/26/02 10:44:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is quite hopeless to fight against the use of terms such as "crazy," "nuts," "loony tunes," even "lunacy" and "lunatic," to apply to intellectual, social, or political characteristics. But your (and my)

Re: extra terrestrial interventions.

2002-12-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/27/02 4:13:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the language of the Marxist doctrine, this means that man's evolutionary advance - his qualitative emergence to homo-sapien-sapien, did not take place on the basis of the discovery of fire or under the

Re: RE: Re: Re: The ideological implications of Scorcese's lat...

2002-12-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/27/02 11:30:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I saw it tonight. It's an incredible movie. ... Some of the comments by reviewers and LP's friend reflect disapproval for failure to find the good guy/bad guy fault line in the movie. But there is no such

Re: extra terrestrial interventions.

2002-12-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/27/02 4:13:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am disappointed by Melvin's contribution - Re: [PEN-L:33437] Re: Rael: "atheist, non-profit, spiritual organisation", You do raise an interesting question concerning the rise of commodity production and

Re: extra/ideology.

2002-12-30 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/30/02 12:46:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a different concept of ideology to that summed up in your description. See the discussion in the encyclopedia of the Marxists Internt Archive http://www.marxists.org/glossary/frame.htm "Here

Re: ideology in prehistory

2002-12-31 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/31/02 12:59:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are free to suggest in turn that there are some differences of emphasis in what I am saying here and what Engels said in the passage you quoted. We could try joining in the middle and say what a wonderful

Re: Re: Trotskyism alive and well

2003-01-09 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/9/03 1:47:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 12:40 PM 01/09/2003 -0800, you wrote: Flash. I do not want to reignite the debates over Trotsky, but the Bush administration just appointed his great granddaughter, Nora Volkow, to head up the national

Re: Re: Rates of Profit: Recent Estimates

2003-01-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/10/03 6:35:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: P.S. Who are these French fellows Dumenil and Levy? They seem to be quite prolific. http://www.cepremap.ens.fr/~levy/index.htm -- The Marxism list: www.marxmail.org Thanks Lou. I immediately thought

Re: Law without morals (was Affirmative Act ion case )

2003-01-16 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/16/03 3:28:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: as a an ethicist friend of mine says, one of the strongest (and easiest) moral cases one can make is by pointing to the contradiction between moral theory and actual practice (i.e., hypocrisy), because there's

Re: Re: Re: Affirmative Action case

2003-01-19 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/16/03 7:08:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm, thanks for the references. I wonder, though, what really counts as "societal" discrimination and what counts as "governmental"? If the government spends its resources on the privileged and not on the poor,

Re: Origins of AA (Was Affirmative Action case)

2003-01-20 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/19/03 6:42:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Affirmative action" in the modern sense arose from a policy (the "Philadelphia Plan") of Nixon's, announced in 1969, to give blacks some preference in federal hiring. (It's sort of funny that Bush's

the oil thing/overproduction

2003-01-27 Thread Waistline2
Over the past 30 days I have followed the entirety of the debate on Marxline held under the title "Oil and Overproduction." Off and on I have written several fragments - not published, as this discussion heated up and much of these fragments will probably be left to the criticism of the mice, as

Re: the oil thing/overproduction/sorry

2003-01-28 Thread Waistline2
My apology, this fragment was sent to wrong list and outside the bounds of Pen-l current discussion. Meant for the A-List. Melvin P.

Re: Imperial grief

2003-02-03 Thread Waistline2
There is also an imperial grief. I hope humane people on this list will forgive me, in speculating whether this tragedy might do anything to knock Bush's imperial arrogance. The idea that the whole nation must go into mourning because it is shocking that 7 people trained for struggle might fall

Re: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Waistline2
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An autoworker with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of time. The "economics of time" provides an entry point into the logic of the era

Re: Re: PEN-L equals redistributionist LIBERALS

2003-02-06 Thread Waistline2
At 06/02/03 01:12 +, Alois wrote: I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about economics, including the discredited Marx. reply

Re: Re: British dossier sham

2003-02-08 Thread Waistline2
Here we see the issue of bodies of armed men, coming together with the issue of confused notions of justice, coming together with an ideological apparatus that informs and affects the process by which decisions are made. That is catalyzed by the technological brilliance of the internet, which

Re: another rogue state

2003-02-08 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/7/03 8:51:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BISMARCK, ND-The stage was set for another international showdown Monday, when chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix confirmed that the remote, isolationist state of North Dakota is in possession of a large

Re: Antagonistic and Non-Antagonistic contradictions, was Re: ...

2003-02-08 Thread Waistline2
The other day you wondered if I could theorize the difference between antagonistic and non-antagonistic contradictions. At least off hand I can't. (Incidentally, the idea is not only from Mao. In Capital Marx will speak of "antagonisms," meaning I think "antagonistic contradiction" in Mao's

Re: Re: Antagonistic and Non-Antagonistic contradictions

2003-02-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/9/03 4:02:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In On Contradiction (August 1937) he quoted Lenin 'Antagonism and contradiction are not at all one and the same. Under socialism, the first will disappear, the second will remain.' This is in the section on

Re: to put it dialectically ...

2003-02-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/11/03 12:02:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about... A series of external issues have challenged the internal unity of NATO since the fall of the Berlin Wall Bosnia Kosova Aghanistan now Iraq soon North Korea These are the external factors but

Re: Re: the executive committee

2003-02-12 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/12/03 10:40:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Devine, James wrote: LP writes: I believe that Lenin characterized the state as the executive committee of the bourgeoisie. >From the Communist Manifesto: Section 1 Each step in the development of the

Re: Re: Re: the executive committee/labor aristocracy 1

2003-02-12 Thread Waistline2
Presentation of the Question: The Aristocracy of Labor and Lenin's "Imperialism and the Split In Socialism," written 1916. Let us begin with what Lenin wrote and not what someone said Lenin meant. "The proletariat is the child of capitalism -- of world capitalism, and not only of European

Re:labor 2

2003-02-12 Thread Waistline2
Part 2 "On December 7, 1889, Engels wrote to Sorge: "The most repulsive thing here [in England] is the bourgeois 'respectability', which has grown deep into the bones of the workers Even Tom Mann, whom I regard as the best of the lot, is fond of mentioning that he will be lunching with the

Re: Re: labor aristocracy 3

2003-02-12 Thread Waistline2
Part 3 Let us return to what Lenin wrote and not a paraphrase or what some said Lenin said. " . . .Imperialism is monopoly capitalism. Every cartel, trust, syndicate, every giant bank is a monopoly Super profits have not disappeared; they still remain. The exploitation of all other countries

Re: Re: the executive committee

2003-02-12 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/12/03 5:15:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 12/02/03 13:52 -0500, Melvin wrote: "The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie." "Or the state as the executive committee of the

Re: Re:labor 4

2003-02-12 Thread Waistline2
Is there a white wage? Well whites generally make 1/3 more than blacks, but that is not the same as saying there is a white wage. What that says is that the result of racism is that less whites form the core of the working class. More whites are likely to be employed in professions, as managers,

Re: Re: Re:labor 5

2003-02-12 Thread Waistline2
Lenin wrote a lot of material in the year 1916, not just "Imperialism and the Split in Socialism." The passages below are from "A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism." "Is the actual condition of the workers in the oppressor and in the oppressed nations the same, from the standpoint

Re: state and the executive committee

2003-02-13 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/13/03 1:19:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would say it is more than the bureaucracy. I think the state has fuzzy boundaries as we should expect. I illustrated an application of what I was arguing for in my post of 23 Dec 2002 "Frist's ideological

Michael Jackson and Pat B. Historical limitations

2003-02-17 Thread Waistline2
I just finished watching a special on Michael Jackson and Phil Donahue's interview of Pat Buchanan - three-time runner for President of the USA and a man who calls himself a "Populist Conservative." Mr. Buchanan spoke passionately on a number of issues including abortion, immigration policy,

Re: Florida Anti-War Demos

2003-02-17 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/17/03 7:04:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Protests in about 20 cities around state, including cities that rarely - if ever-see demos. Largest in Sarasota at about 1500, 700 in Miami, 200 in ft. Lauderdale, 300 here in Orlando, 100 in Gainesville, 150

Re: Slightly above the level of animals

2003-02-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/18/03 12:53:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "The present condition of South Carolina can only be understood by a consideration of the population and the changes which have taken place in it since the close of the war. There are now about three hundred

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