Chris Doss wrote:
For the NYT or WP, everything bad that happens in
China or Russia is the result of a nefarious plot
hatched in Beijing or Moscow. For the life of me I
can't understand why people who would be
hypersceptical over these papers' coverage of, say,
Venezuela cite them as impeachable
I . . .uhhEye against IFlesh of my flesh and
Mind of my mind.Two of a kind but one won't survive.The
image is reflect in my enemy eyes and my image is reflect in his the
same time. Right here is where the end gonna start
at.Conflict . . . contact . . . call back.Fighter stand where
the
I would never have read this if it hadn't been
referenced by Kenneth.
You have stated publicly on LBO-Talk that
censorship was not a problem in the USSR
and that people could read whatever they
want. You also quote liberally from the ,
which fails to meet Rupert Murdoch's
standards by all
Putinite press -- You quote from all kinds of
things, yourself,
Louis.
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How does somebody who doesn't read Russian know jack
shit about the Russian press, Putinite are
otherwise? How lame. That's not how the Russian media
work. Anyway that's my last word on the subject.
All right, one final word and then I am outta here.
The inanity of that statement is breathtaking. I
worked for the Russia Journal for three years.
(Actually I am somewhat proud of the fact that the
eXile praised my editorials. That's pretty rare.) I
think I know how the Russian media work.
Chris Doss wrote:
Virtually nothing was banned in the USSR.
The Washington Post
July 20, 2002 Saturday
Soviet Dissident Alexander Ginzburg Dies
BYLINE: Martin Weil, Washington Post Staff Writer
Alexander Ginzburg, 65, who was persecuted, imprisoned and exiled as a
leader of the dissident
End of thread! Why can you just discuss things without getting nasty and bringing up
material from other lists?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Thanks LP for posting the review of Hart-Landsberg and Burkett's long MR
piece. I just picked up a copy yesterday, and have been looking it over.
I've got my own little quibbles with it (not enough emphasis on rural
China, which I think is desperately important right now, they lump
pre-1976 China
Jonathan Lassen wrote:
When these kind of news stories - see below - appear (and we're only
hearing about this one because one of the villagers was able to get to the
internet), perhaps we should pause and look a bit closer at what's going
on. The way that these Contradictions
are either
Joel Wendland wrote:
Is this particular story emblematic of the restoration of capitalism,
though? Isn't it true that this kind of event took place in pre-reform
China
-- and not necessarily to benefit the working and toiling classes? We
expect
to see it in capitalist countries, of course.
The
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first rule of politics for political leaders on
the side of the proletariat in the American Union is
that if the New York Times or Washington Post run a
story on China . . . position yourself in opposition
to it and you will be on the right side of the
polarity .
There are also reports of college students who jumped from
high-rise dormitory buildings in protest of the governments timid "peaceful"
policy over Taiwan independence. The suicide-protestors wanted the
government to take Taiwan for force right now and stand up to US bullying.
The report
Chris Doss wrote:
For the NYT or WP, everything bad that happens in
China or Russia is the result of a nefarious plot
hatched in Beijing or Moscow. For the life of me I
can't understand why people who would be
hypersceptical over these papers' coverage of, say,
Venezuela cite them as impeachable
as an effect rather than cause of these historical developments.
Marv Gandall
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] China and socialism
Chris Doss wrote:
For the NYT or WP, everything bad
Marvin Gandall wrote:
The problem, unfortunately, is there has never been anything other than a
scorched earth march to fully developed capitalist property
relations --anywhere, ever. Therefore, the issue becomes: is such a march
historically progressive, despite the human toll? Marx, of course,
South China Morning Post, Aug. 2
Police shoot villagers in land dispute, report says
by: Staff Reporter
Dozens of people in Shijiahe village in Zhengzhou, Henan province, were
reportedly injured yesterday when police arrested troublemakers who
had organised protests over land deals approved by
The problem, unfortunately, is there has never been
anything other than a "scorched earth march to fully developed capitalist
property relations" --anywhere, ever. Therefore, the issue becomes: is such a
march historically progressive, despite the human toll? Marx, of course,
answered in
Pieinsky wrote:
Questions for Henry from an old Maoist:
(1) Aren't you concerned at all about the evidence of
increasing class disparities and the consequent rise of open class struggles
(workers' strikes, farmers' protests, etc.) in "Red" China? What do these
occurrences mean, in your
As for whether China would be a good model for the
rest of the Third World, let the people of the Third World decide for
themselves. We don't need self-righteous academics in the West to
pronounce what is an ideologically correct model for the Third World. The
sad fact is that the Western
Louis Proyect wrote:
I recommend that you read Theodor Shanin's Late Marx, which makes a
convincing case that Marx rejected the notion of universal models of
development.
I haven't read Shanin's book. But reinterpreting Marx has been the fashion
ever since the socialist revolution he foresaw
Marvin Gandall wrote:
societies. For Western Marxists like Louis who still see their societies as
rotten ripe for socialism -- and predicate their political behaviour on
that assumption -- it can be demoralizing to acknowedge that Marx may have
been a good analyst of capitalism, but wrong about
In a message dated 8/2/2004 4:55:52 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have tried to get in touch with Michael and Sabri, but I
think that the situation is so urgent that the obvious step has to be taken of
terminating the thread which started with discussion of The
LP writes: The next time that somebody gets the impression that I see the USA as
rotten ripe for socialism has permission to give me 50 lashes with a
cat o'nine tails. Except for Jim Devine, that is.
You didn't like it the last time?
Jim Devine
If any confirmation of the correctness of Marty Hart-Landsberg and Paul
Burkett's China and Socialism (a book-length article in the
July-August 2004 Monthly Review) was needed, you can look at the
heartrending Aug. 1, 2004 NY Times article on the suicide of Zheng
Qingming. This 18 year old
If any confirmation of the correctness of Marty
Hart-Landsberg and Paul Burkett's "China and Socialism" (a book-length article
in the July-August 2004 Monthly Review) was needed, you can look at the
heartrending Aug. 1, 2004 NY Times article on the suicide of Zheng
Qingming. Th
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