On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:52:34AM -0400, Josiah Bryan wrote:
> However, I would be quite interested in hearing
> details and specific examples of ways to implement
> this dream as a reality.
I don't think we should go this way either, sorry; if you
want to try and pin the supercompilation guy
John Porter wrote:
>
> No you're not. I for one am sick of this thread.
> Not only has it nothing to do with AI in particular
> (it could easily live on clp.misc), but also, nothing
> substantial is being said about it. People are just
> expressing their opinions on how feasible or useful
> it's
Tom Fawcett wrote:
>
> guinevere liberty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If we're voting (apologies if we're not) then add my name - and some friends
> > of mine too - to the list of pro this thread, i think it is both related and
> > interesting.
>
> All: No need to stop, I'm apparently the only
> From: Helmut Enck-Radana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> On 10 Aug 2001, at 10:49, Lee Goddard wrote:
>
> > What new concepts have been made manifest in languages that I can
> > use today? I'll try them out.
>
> Seems you are asking 2 questions:
>
> 1. What new concepts have been made manifest
On 10 Aug 2001, at 10:49, Lee Goddard wrote:
> What new concepts have been made manifest in languages that I can
> use today? I'll try them out.
Seems you are asking 2 questions:
1. What new concepts have been made manifest in languages?
-> There are a lot of text books, articles and research
> From: Helmut Enck-Radana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Obviously there is a big gap between what is possible today and what
> is used to be done in industry.
Helmut -
We are the industry. What new concepts have been
made manifest in languages that I can use today?
I'll try them out.
- lee
At 09:22 06-08-01, Simon Cozens wrote:
>Isn't it *really strange* that something so utterly revolutionary would
>never take off at all...
It looks less strange, when you think of the fact that all prevalent
programming languages are mainly based on concepts which are 30 to 40 years
old - as if
-Original Message-
From: Helmut Enck-Radana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 03:51 PM
>At 20:21 08-08-01, Tom Fawcett wrote:
>>This is an interesting topic but it seems unrelated to artificial
>>intelligence using Perl.
>
>One of the traditional topics of AI is t
I might be off base here, but aren't you describing
caching results of a program by your "Meta-Program"???
I do this with perl scripts all the time .
In fact CGI::Cache in CPAN is pretty good and there are others
that are also good for various situations.
"Andrei P. Nemytykh" wrote:
>
> Dear
Dear colleagues,
Valentin Turchin wrote:
> You can use supercompilation with Perl in two ways.
> (1) Write an interpreter of Perl in Refal and use it with the existing supercompiler
>SCP4
> (written by myself and Andrei Nemytykh). As I said above, the goal is double:
>speed-up
> and possible
guinevere liberty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If we're voting (apologies if we're not) then add my name - and some friends
> of mine too - to the list of pro this thread, i think it is both related and
> interesting.
All: No need to stop, I'm apparently the only one who cares.
-Tom
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On 08 Aug 01 at 11:09:56PM, guinevere liberty wrote:
> okay, if this is how people feel (and want this to
> branch) can we please create a (temporary perhaps)
> email list - via addressbook is ok - where we can
> discuss supercompilers in relation to perl/perl-ai?
> whoever wants to take the init
> I would be happy enough with a quintessential
> general AI program that ran 20
> or even a 100 times slower than optimal. Upon
> completion I'm sure the beast
> would rewrite itself on the fly in assembly, and
> dawn a new chapter in
> history. If we're ever going to get there, we've
> got to
elmut
> Enck-Radana; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Supercompiled Perl
>
>
> Tom,
>
> The discussion isn't directly related to AI with
> Perl, but I do think it
> should be of interest to perl-ai folks. The primary
> reason for this
> (apart from the coolness fa
Jordan,
When a supercompiler is necessary for an ai-perl code implementation, it
seems relevant. When talking about supercompilation development itself the
question becomes how is "perl-ai" directly involved. In your own message
you point out it may be of great utility. This means it may be us
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 06:39:14PM -0500, Joe Schulman wrote:
> I have no problem with it and find it extremely interesting.
Although I have supreme doubts that this will work, and I also
believe that more effort should be spent on the *real* next
implementation of the Perl interpreter, Perl 6, t
;
Helmut Enck-Radana; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Supercompiled Perl
Tom,
The discussion isn't directly related to AI with Perl, but I do think it
should be of interest to perl-ai folks. The primary reason for this
(apart from the coolness factor) is that, as Valentin mentioned i
At 20:21 08-08-01, Tom Fawcett wrote:
>This is an interesting topic but it seems unrelated to artificial
>intelligence using Perl.
One of the traditional topics of AI is to find ways to generate
implementations from specifications. While this is not possible in general,
there are enough situat
Tom,
The discussion isn't directly related to AI with Perl, but I do think it
should be of interest to perl-ai folks. The primary reason for this
(apart from the coolness factor) is that, as Valentin mentioned in his
earlier message, significant speed-ups may lead to changes in programming
Gents,
This is an interesting topic but it seems unrelated to artificial intelligence
using Perl. Could you take [EMAIL PROTECTED] off the replies (or explain how
it's relevant)? Thanks.
-Tom
gt;
> -Original Message-
> From: Jordan Dimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Valentin Turchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Helmut Enck-Radana
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Simon Cozens
><
TED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Helmut Enck-Radana
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Simon Cozens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 06, 2001 06:08 PM
Subject: Re: Supercompiled Perl
>
> Valentin,
>
> Cou
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Jordan Dimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Simon Cozens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, August 04, 2001 02:46 PM
Subject: Re: Supercompiled Perl
>John Porter wrote:
>
t;
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Helmut Enck-Radana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Jordan Dimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Simon Cozens
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Saturday
John Porter wrote:
>Jordan Dimov wrote:
>>Turchin has founded a start up (www.supercompilers.com) with the purpose
>>of developing a supercompiler for Java, speeding up Java code by a factor
>>of 100.
>
>The culture of Java encourages fantastic hyperbole.
Simon Cozens wrote:
>Jordan Dimov wrote
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 10:25:43AM -0500, Jordan Dimov wrote:
> Is anyone here familiar with the concept of supercompilation, as
> described by prof. Valentin Turchin in [1] for example?
> [1] ``The Concept of a Supercompiler'', Valenting F. Turchin, ACM Trans.
> Program. Lang. Syst. 8, 3 (J
Jordan Dimov wrote:
> Turchin has
> founded a start up (www.supercompilers.com) with the purpose of developing
> a supercompiler for Java, speeding up Java code by a factor of 100.
The culture of Java encourages fantastic hyperbole.
--
John Porter
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