Since January 2009 I have accumulated over 1000 messages to groups, that
arrived with improper 0A (UNIX line ends without a preceding 0D) in the body of
the message. In order to reply to such a message I have to remove them manually
to avoid rejection by my SMTP server. It's a PITA.
I have
--- Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Besides $^_ is just uglier than anything else I've seen today...
lol -- I thought of it as a rather cute peeking-wink with a cauliflower
ear, but that's probably much more cutesiness than we want to encourage
in our language design.
This is another great example of why I love this list. :o]
I live in GA, so far out in the boonies that I can't get cable or
broadband at *all* except for by satellite. I've stopped trying to
explain what I do, because I start saying things like this, and they
glaze and visibly regret it,
Nicholas Clark writes:
Also, I'm never totally confident on what isn't quite undefined behaviour in
C, but something like
$a = $b + ++$b;
doesn't appear to have multiple side effects, yet it ought to be undefined.
It is undefined in C. The standard says that between any adjacent pair
Mark J. Reed:
Aaron Sherman:
Proposal: A sigil followed by [...] is always a composer for that
type.
%[...] - Hash. Unicode: ?...?
@[...] - Array. Unicode: [...]
? - Seq. Unicode: ?...?
[...] - Code. Unicode: ?...?
|[...] - Capture.
Rob Kinyon skribis 2006-01-20 23:12 (-0500):
$ perl -le '$h{1} = Perl; print values h'
Perl
$ perl -le 'push a, Perl; print @a'
Perl
Now, that's an unadvertised feature! I think I need to revisit some golfs ...
Not worth the effort, because length('[EMAIL PROTECTED]') == length('push
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Michele Dondi wrote:
You have very strong arguments, but I think that Perl becoming more solid
should not come at the expense of practicity. Indeed the single warning I
Speaking of which:
| The connection between the language in which we think/program and the
| problems
On Monday 19 December 2005 05:06, Michele Dondi wrote:
Speaking of which:
| The connection between the language in which we think/program and the
| problems and solutions we can imagine is very close. For this reason
| restricting language features with the intent of eliminating programmer
Larry Wall:
I can see the mathematical appeal of coming up with a language in
which there is a meaning for every possible combination of tokens.
Yes, that sounds like my language. I agree it's not Perl. And not a lot
of other things too.g
It's a counterintuitive fact
that languages that
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Steve Peters wrote:
Again, I'd prefer not to be fired. Everything you have written above is
not an option for the majority of the programmers out there. Also, not
to helpful if you write your programs in TSO on an IBM mainframe.
In general true, but the cent sign was
Is there a CPAN module which provides the functionality of ¥/zip() for
Perl5? I don't see anything obvious in the Bundle::Perl6 stuff. Not hard
to write, of course, just wondering if it's been done . . .
Does TYE's Algorithm::Loops's mapcar() provide the basic functionality
of what you're looking for?
Rob
On 10/21/05, Mark Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a CPAN module which provides the functionality of ¥/zip() for
Perl5? I don't see anything obvious in the Bundle::Perl6 stuff. Not
Vadim Konovalov wrote:
Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to
correctly pronounce that.)
Russian: luk (pronounced similar to English look). For some reason,
Icelandic translation of onion is much closer to Russian than any other
variants...
The English leek is
Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to
correctly pronounce that.)
Russian: luk (pronounced similar to English look). For some reason,
Icelandic translation of onion is much closer to Russian than any other
variants...
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:57:42PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Note how close to Finnish it is.
Portuguese: cebola
Finnish: sipoli
Might be a coincidence, but might also be a borrowed word.
(This is extremely OT for the list.)
That's 'sipuli', actually.
I'm not sure (I'm not an etymologist
On Tuesday 24 May 2005 15:06, wolverian wrote:
in the latin name - Allium _cepa_ Linnaeus.
What about cepa as name?
BTW, it's Zwiebel in german ;-)
On Tue, 24 May 2005, wolverian wrote:
Portuguese: cebola
Finnish: sipoli
Italian: cipolla (since nobody has mentioned it yet)
Michele
--
It was part of the dissatisfaction thing. I never claimed I was a
nice person.
- David Kastrup in comp.text.tex, Re: verbatiminput double spacing
Esperanto: cepo (though that's probably not a data point)
// Carl
On 5/24/05, Michele Dondi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2005, wolverian wrote:
Portuguese: cebola
Finnish: sipoli
Italian: cipolla (since nobody has mentioned it yet)
Michele
--
It was part of the
Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to
correctly pronounce that.)
--
Schwäche zeigen heißt verlieren;
härte heißt regieren.
- Glas und Tränen, Megaherz
On Tue, 24 May 2005, Herbert Snorrason wrote:
Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to
correctly pronounce that.)
Incidentally, would 'laukurdottir' be a proper Icelandic offence? :-)
Michele
--
Me too. If it's any comfort, just think of the design of Perl 6 as
a
On 5/24/05, Michele Dondi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2005, Herbert Snorrason wrote:
Icelandic: laukur (Incidentally, none of you will ever guess how to
correctly pronounce that.)
Incidentally, would 'laukurdottir' be a proper Icelandic offence? :-)
daughter of an onion ??
On 24/05/05, Michele Dondi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Incidentally, would 'laukurdottir' be a proper Icelandic offence? :-)
It'd be 'lauksdóttir' (due to declension) and mean 'daughter of an
onion'. If nothing else, it would make people look at you in a funny
way... ;)
--
Schwäche zeigen heißt
Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/emacs-iso.html
Coincidentally, last week the emacs developers decided to declare
iso-accents mode (dated 1998) obsolete. Emacs 21 (out for several
years now) has native support for language encodings.
-- Johan
For some reason, I keep typing :=: instead of =:=. Do other people
experience similar typo-habits with new operators?
One of my other Perl 6 typo-habits is ^H^Hargh!^H^H^H^H^H«, but that's
because I like how « and » look, but can't yet easily type them.
Juerd
--
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 15:07, Sam Vilain wrote:
«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»! :-þ
an excerpt from my xkb config...
I think we've been over this ground before, but if you use EMACS, you'll
find this handy:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/emacs-iso.html
Of course, some of the sequences used
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 03:55:23PM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote:
: but if you use vim or emacs inside a terminal, you'll want to make sure
: it's in iso-latin-1 mode (e.g. in gnome-terminal, you have to use the
: menu: Terminal-Set Character Encoding)
If you going to that trouble, at least try your
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 16:41, Larry Wall wrote:
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 03:55:23PM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote:
: but if you use vim or emacs inside a terminal, you'll want to make sure
: it's in iso-latin-1 mode (e.g. in gnome-terminal, you have to use the
: menu: Terminal-Set Character
perl6-language@perl.org
Subject: Re: :=: (OT)
The default mode for my vim was Latin-1. I was being lazy because I knew
how to tell gnome-terminal to do Latin-1, but I have no clue how to tell
vim to display and save UTF-8. I'm sure it's easy enough though.
On second thought... do I really want
For your entertainment:
Luas Story of O
http://alt.textdrive.com/lua/19/lua-story-of-o
Cheers
--
PA, Onnay Equitursay
http://alt.textdrive.com/
Larry Wall wrote:
I suppose if I were Archimedes I'd have climbed
back out and shouted Eureka, but as far as I know Archimedes never
made it to Italy, so it didn't occur to me...
well, Archimedes *was* italian. for some meaning of italian, at least.
he was born in Syracuse (the one in Sicily, not
Aldo Calpini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Larry Wall wrote:
I suppose if I were Archimedes I'd have climbed
back out and shouted Eureka, but as far as I know Archimedes never
made it to Italy, so it didn't occur to me...
well, Archimedes *was* italian. for some meaning of italian, at least.
--- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. . . .
Of the qualities you listed for Pumpking:
Look, I already told you! I deal with the goddamn customers so the
engineers don't have to! I have people skills! I am good at dealing
with people! Can't you understand that? What the hell is
I apologise for asking this here, but I can't think of anywhere better for
it, and I have a feeling what I'm looking for was in a Perl 6-related talk,
so...
I remember reading a transcript of a talk Larry gave sometime which mentioned
a conversation between Heidi Wall and Damian Conway, in which
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon Cozens) writes:
I remember reading a transcript of a talk Larry gave sometime which mentioned
a conversation between Heidi Wall and Damian Conway, in which Heidi said
something like But what is the future apart from a succession of tomorrows?
Ziggy and Kurt both found
Did anybody notice that Larry has slipped in an anime smiley operator?
Between ^^ and the recent musing about wa...
On a closely related note, how long do you think it'll be before someone
puts this on CP6AN?
class n {
method n() is classmethod {# Or whatever it turns out to be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hodges) writes:
I am not seeing unicode.
Don't worry because, and I honestly don't mean this disparagingly - by the
time Perl 6 is ready for prime-time, you will. Larry got this one right.
--
Jesus ate my mouse or some similar banality.
-- Megahal (trained on
--- Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hodges) writes:
I am not seeing unicode.
Don't worry because, and I honestly don't mean this disparagingly -
by the time Perl 6 is ready for prime-time, you will. Larry got this
one
right.
lol -- I think you're right.
And
And as far as I know, and are exactly equivalent to æ?? and æ??
in all cases.
lol I get the idea, but I foresee these unicode bits as becoming an
occasional sharp spot in my metaphorical seat of consciousness. :)
I am not seeing unicode.
__
Do you
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 07:53:39PM -0400, Todd W. wrote:
I posted a question to CLPM on how to do this with perl5 and we decided to
use an 'lvalue' attribute on the subroutine and then make the returned
lvalue in the sub a tied variable to intercept read/writes:
--- Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For anything other than existential issues, I believe that
most arguments about the future containing the words either,
or, both, or neither are likely to be wrong. In
particular, human psychology is rarely about the extremes
of binary logic. As
--- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:44 AM -0800 3/25/03, Michael Lazzaro wrote:
So, is anyone working on a P6ML, and/or is there any
discussion/agreement of what it would entail?
I, for one, think it's a great idea, and the
--- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:44 AM -0800 3/25/03, Michael Lazzaro wrote:
So, is anyone working on a P6ML, and/or is there any
discussion/agreement of what it would entail?
I,
(Note forwarded to the list as penance for my silliness. :)
sub foo($x .= foo) {...} # Append foo to whatever $x given
sub foo($x ~= foo) {...} # smart-test $x against foo
Well, last time I looked (granted, it could've changed numerous times
since then) ~ was the string concatenator
At 11:52 AM -0800 3/25/03, Paul wrote:
--- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:44 AM -0800 3/25/03, Michael Lazzaro wrote:
So, is anyone working on a P6ML, and/or is there any
discussion/agreement of what it would entail?
I, for one,
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 12:19:30PM -0800, Paul wrote:
Is there a page up anywhere that summarizes the latest
prognostications?
Mike Lazzaro had compiled the state-of-the-ops for perl6, but I don't
know if it's anywhere other than in the archives for this list. Just
go to google groups and
At 12:47 PM -0800 3/25/03, Paul wrote:
|==[*]|
Sarcasmeter?
lol -- I think my BS-o-meter just redlined, too
Heh. Sorry 'bout that. Bring it to OSCON and I'll get it fixed. :)
lol -- when/where is that? (Seems all I do here is ask
Merely for the one small thing I might possibly contribute
Would it be useful to have a convenient place to do polls?
I suspect there already is one somewhere, but I'm unaware of it.
I don't want to undermine the authority of the core planning team, but
thought they might like to have a
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 06:49 AM, Paul wrote:
Merely for the one small thing I might possibly contribute
Would it be useful to have a convenient place to do polls?
I suspect there already is one somewhere, but I'm unaware of it.
I don't want to undermine the authority of the core
Michael Lazzaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As much as people hated it, I think the P6 Operators thread was
*quite* beneficial. It lead to the saving of ^ xor, and the hyper
syntax, and quite a few other improvements, and got things pinned down
squarely. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that
--- Leopold Toetsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Piers Cawley wrote:
Coroutines end and DFG
Nobody explained what DFG stands for.
It's a commonly used TLA standing for Data Flow Graph, which
accompanies the CFG (Control Flow Graph). Both are necessary
for register allocation.
leo
So
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you speaking in terms of limitation, or requirement?
It would be nice to have a syntax solution. I've seen p5 interfaces
with stubs that die so that you have to override them in a
subclass. It works, but seems a little kludgy.
Back in 1988 programming
Hello all.
I'm here mostly as a lurker to keep up with the evolving structure of
p6, but will try to contribute something useful when I can.
Good to be aboard.
Paul
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Larry Wall wrote:
Logically entangle nouns *are* more basic than grade school. Kids are
even sophisticated enough to disambiguate xor from or by context,
despite the fact that English has no xor operator:
Which do you want? A popsicle or a Mickey Mouse hat?
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Martin D Kealey wrote:
: Hmmm...
:
: I've heard that this is a culturally driven thing: that whilst people can
: all disambiguate it, people from different cultures may do so differently
:
: In a western culture, exclusive-or is the assumed default unless context
: implies
Larry Wall:
# So I'm actually being a bit culturally imperialistic in
# pushing for noun disjunctions. But I'm an American, and
# nobody expects better of me. :-)
I would argue that you should draw on useful concepts from any language,
not paying any attention to their existence in other
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Brent Dax wrote:
: (I think that at one point you mentioned that 'it' is implicit in
: Japanese--so does $_ qualify? :^) )
Only when you leave it out. Kind of like the cat.
Larry
On Wednesday 23 October 2002 17:58, Luke Palmer wrote:
From: Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
Do you think that Lisp macros make the language more powerful than
others (eg Perl)? I mean, do they really give a competitive
advantage, or are they being overrated (see
Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you define powerful as can do more things, then of course not.
Lisp is implemented in C, and C's macros are certainly not essential
[aside: most major common lisp implementations (cmucl, sbcl,
openmcl, mcl, allegro and lispworks) are all native
Speaking about macros, I renember reading somewhere something about
Scheme hygenic macros, but i didn't really understood it.
Do they solve the maintenance problems of Lisp macros? Would they be
applicable to perl?
Thanks for any tips,
-angel
Angel Faus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Speaking about macros, I renember reading somewhere something about
Scheme hygenic macros, but i didn't really understood it.
Do they solve the maintenance problems of Lisp macros? Would they be
applicable to perl?
Scheme hygenic macros do a lot of the
On 25 Oct 2002, Marco Baringer wrote:
: Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: But think of what macros in general provide:
:
:* Multi-platform compatability
:* Easier maintenance
: * Creating/Embedding custom languages. aka - adapting the
:
Luke Palmer writes:
Do you think that Lisp macros make the language more powerful than
others (eg Perl)? I mean, do they really give a competitive
advantage, or are they being overrated (see below)?
If you define powerful as can do more things, then of course not.
No, of course. I guess
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 12:26:41PM -0300, Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues wrote:
Luke Palmer writes:
Lisp is implemented in C, and C's macros are certainly not essential
to its functionality. But think of what macros in general provide:
* Multi-platform compatability
*
Hi,
Perl is my favorite language, and I'm eagerly following Perl 6 development. So
I would like to ask this question here. Sorry if I'm being inconvenient...
Do you think that Lisp macros make the language more powerful than others (eg
Perl)? I mean, do they really give a competitive advantage,
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:43:08 -0300
From: Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Perl is my favorite language, and I'm eagerly following Perl 6
development. So I would like to ask this question here. Sorry if I'm
being inconvenient...
Do you think that Lisp macros make
Not know what a finite state machine was, I decided to poke around the
Net before replying to you. I found this definition:
...
at http://www.c3.lanl.gov/mega-math/gloss/pattern/dfa.html
This seems rather ambiguous, though, as it basically means that a FSM is
anything that you can
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Ken Fox wrote:
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 04:38 PM 8/8/2001 +, Brian J. Kifiak wrote:
Unfortunately all the references I have for alternatives really
require what the Dragon Book teaches as a foundation.
What are the references?
...
And also on the introductory level:
Art of Compiler Design, The: Theory and Practice
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130481904
Constructing Language Processors for Little Languages
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471597546
or, cheaper still, used:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201100886/
-asdlfjasfey
On Tuesday, August 7, 2001, at 06:11 PM, Mark Koopman wrote:
The official title is:
Compilers : Principles, Techniques, and Tools
by Alfred V. Aho, Ravi Sethi, Jeffrey D. Ullman (Contributor)
On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:03:56 -0700, Brent Dax wrote:
I'm going on vacation soon, and I'd like to get a good book on writing
compilers--hopefully one that will help me when we actually start coding
Perl 6. Any suggestions? I have no formal education on compilers, and
I only know C, C++ and Perl
At 04:38 PM 8/8/2001 +, Brian J. Kifiak wrote:
Unfortunately all the references I have for
alternatives really require what the Dragon Book teaches as a
foundation.
What are the references?
Since several people have asked already...
There are two I've been using. I think they're on
I'm going on vacation soon, and I'd like to get a good book on writing
compilers--hopefully one that will help me when we actually start coding
Perl 6. Any suggestions? I have no formal education on compilers, and
I only know C, C++ and Perl (duh).
(If this is too off-topic, let me know.)
The Dragon Book is (AFAIK) still considered the definitive book on the
subject. It's called that because it has (or at least, had, for the
edition that I bought) a red dragon on the cover.
The official title is:
Compilers : Principles, Techniques, and Tools
by Alfred V. Aho, Ravi Sethi,
The official title is:
Compilers : Principles, Techniques, and Tools
by Alfred V. Aho, Ravi Sethi, Jeffrey D. Ullman (Contributor)
ISBN: 0201100886
You can get it from Fatbrain:
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0201100886vm=
or cheaper at Bookpool
At 06:06 PM 8/7/2001 -0700, Dave Storrs wrote:
The Dragon Book is (AFAIK) still considered the definitive book on the
subject. It's called that because it has (or at least, had, for the
edition that I bought) a red dragon on the cover.
The official title is:
Compilers : Principles, Techniques,
It's called meta shell
ftp://www.guug.de/pub/members/truemper/metash
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -nl
BEGIN{($,,$0)=("\040",21);@F=(sub{tr[a-zA-Z][n-za-mN-ZA-M];print;});
$_="Gnxr 1-3 ng n gvzr, gur ynfg bar vf cbvfba.";{$F[0]};sub t{*t=sub{};
return if rand().5;$_="Vg'f abg lbhe ghea lrg, abj
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:43:04PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), Larry Wall wrote:
If you want to save the world, come up with a better way to say "www".
(And make it stick...)
[snip of other possibilities]
the variation i learned somewhere was "wuh wuh
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:58:02 -0700, Daniel Chetlin wrote:
I use "dub dub dub", which I picked up at Intel. I find it much easier to
pronounce quickly than anything that uses an approximant.
http://x74.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=603967285
I do like "wibbly". Or "wibble". It has a
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Bart Lateur wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), Larry Wall wrote:
If you want to save the world, come up with a better way to say "www".
(And make it stick...)
"The world"? This problem only exists in English!
We pronounce it something similar to "way
The "www" in e.g., "www.netscape.com" is pronounced, IMO, in
the same way as other useless, should-be-obvious punctuation.
It's silent.
Seems like something you should take up with RFC 819, or maybe with
RFC 881, considering that they and their ramifying successors all
seem to be in flagrant
At our company, we pronounce "www" as "dub-dub-dub". The first
syllable of the letter "w", three times.
Very easy to say quickly. "dub-dub-dub-dot-perl-dot-com". Try it.
--
Eric J. Roode, [EMAIL PROTECTED] print
"foo.bar" ne "www.foo.bar"
pronounce("foo.bar") eq pronounce("www.foo.bar")
As in, "Surf to www.perl.org and read the new ..."
sounds like
"Surf to perl dot org and read the new ..."
=Austin
--- Tom Christiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The "www" in e.g., "www.netscape.com" is pronounced,
Thus it was written in the epistle of Austin Hastings,
"foo.bar" ne "www.foo.bar"
pronounce("foo.bar") eq pronounce("www.foo.bar")
As in, "Surf to www.perl.org and read the new ..."
sounds like
"Surf to perl dot org and read the new ..."
=Austin
Just to be absolutely certain,
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