Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-30 Thread Markus Laire
On 29 Oct 2002 at 11:22, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: Also the idea of allways using 'function' style for something so basic like superpositions doesn't appeal to me. Superpositions are basic in a fabric-of-the-universe kind of

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-30 Thread David Wheeler
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 07:18 AM, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: The only thing this inspires in my brain is Schoolhouse Rock flashbacks. o/~ Conjuction Junction, what's your function? o/~ Heh. That's what I heard, too. David -- David Wheeler AIM:

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-30 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:45:52PM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: You are making the fundamental mistake of thinking superpositions as superpositions. When thinking them as another-kind-of or/and, their usefulness comes a lot clearer. perl5: if $x 0 $x 20 $y 0 $y 20 $z 0 $z 20

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-30 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Nicholas Clark wrote: : On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:45:52PM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: : : You are making the fundamental mistake of thinking superpositions as : superpositions. When thinking them as another-kind-of or/and, their : usefulness comes a lot clearer. : :

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-30 Thread Erik Steven Harrison
-- On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:13:40 Damian Conway wrote: Yes. That superpositions are going to be so widely used once people catch on, that users going to curse us every time they have to write Cuse ops ':superpositions'; at the start of every scope. So, I open my inbox and see that it has

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Markus Laire
On 29 Oct 2002 at 5:45, Piers Cawley wrote: Whilst I don't wish to get Medieval on your collective donkey I must say that I'm really not sure of the utility of the proposed infix superposition ops. I'm a big fan of any/all/one/none, I just think that one(any($a, $b, $c), all($d, $e,

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 29 Oct 2002 at 5:45, Piers Cawley wrote: Whilst I don't wish to get Medieval on your collective donkey I must say that I'm really not sure of the utility of the proposed infix superposition ops. I'm a big fan of any/all/one/none, I just think that

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Luke Palmer
Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:45:01 + X-SMTPD: qpsmtpd/0.12, http://develooper.com/code/qpsmtpd/ Whilst I don't wish to get Medieval on your collective donkey I must say that I'm really not sure of

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:45:01 + X-SMTPD: qpsmtpd/0.12, http://develooper.com/code/qpsmtpd/ Whilst I don't wish to get Medieval on your collective donkey I

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Luke Palmer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:36:12 + Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:45:01 + X-SMTPD:

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Laire) writes: In this case I find the latter to be easier to decode and more appealing. There are less chars and paretheses are seen much more easily. Ack, I guess that means we need a one character DWIM operator. Although ... comes pretty close, I suppose.

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Austin Hastings
--- Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one(any($a, $b, $c), all($d, $e, $f)) Is a good deal more intention revealing than the superficially appealing than ($a $b $c) ^ ( $d | $e | $f ) Would it be practical/meaningful to say $result = bitwise ($a $b $c) ^ ($d |

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 03:06:51AM -0700, Luke Palmer wrote: Superpositions will turn out to be unimaginably handy, possibly used in 10% or 15% of the code, so they get shorter names. Statements like this bother me. Not because I don't think it might be true, but because it's in future tense.

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Scott Duff) writes: Statements like this bother me. Not because I don't think it might be true, but because it's in future tense. If someone (named Damian :-) wrote a superposition synopsis that showed the many and varied uses of superpositions in contexts that

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: Also the idea of allways using 'function' style for something so basic like superpositions doesn't appeal to me. Superpositions are basic in a fabric-of-the-universe kind of way, but they are hardly basic in the

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Scott Duff) writes: Statements like this bother me. Not because I don't think it might be true, but because it's in future tense. If someone (named Damian :-) wrote a superposition synopsis that showed the many and varied

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:22 AM -0600 10/29/02, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: Also the idea of allways using 'function' style for something so basic like superpositions doesn't appeal to me. Superpositions are basic in a fabric-of-the-universe kind of

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Larry Wall
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Dan Sugalski wrote: : Perhaps the best thing to do is to define a word operator for : superpositions and, if they later become really popular, snag some : generally-available* extended character to represent the operators. Sorry, I believe in the transactional model of QM,

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Larry Wall
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: : On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: : Also the idea of allways using 'function' style for something so : basic like superpositions doesn't appeal to me. : : Superpositions are basic in a fabric-of-the-universe kind of

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Michael Lazzaro
On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 09:08 AM, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: Statements like this bother me. Not because I don't think it might be true, but because it's in future tense. If someone (named Damian :-) wrote a superposition synopsis that showed the many and varied uses of superpositions

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes: So I would look favorably on finding a replacement for superposition. Predicate calculus? :) Seriously, I see no problem with calling them set operators. -- For true believers, LORD would be K\textsc{nuth} in TeX, and L\textsc{amport} in LaTeX. Atheists

RE: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Garrett Goebel
From: Simon Cozens [mailto:simon;ermine.ox.ac.uk] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes: So I would look favorably on finding a replacement for superposition. Predicate calculus? :) Seriously, I see no problem with calling them set operators. Great minds think alike. Or in this case

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 10:02 AM -0800 10/29/02, Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Dan Sugalski wrote: : Perhaps the best thing to do is to define a word operator for : superpositions and, if they later become really popular, snag some : generally-available* extended character to represent the operators. Sorry,

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Brian Ingerson
On 29/10/02 09:58 -0800, Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: : On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: So I would look favorably on finding a replacement for superposition. How about christmasgift or gift? You don't know what it is until

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:22:36AM -0800, Michael Lazzaro wrote: This is why I am nervous about introducing terms like eigenbunny, etc., into the general vocabulary of the language. It attempts to make it sound harder than it is, I think -- there are plenty of uses for these operators

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:12:28AM -0800, Brian Ingerson wrote: On 29/10/02 09:58 -0800, Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: : On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: So I would look favorably on finding a replacement for superposition.

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread David Wheeler
On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 09:58 AM, Larry Wall wrote: What kindergartener can't understand a logically entangled list of nouns? I want a tricycle or a video game or a teddy bear for Christmas. I want a tricycle and a video game and a teddy bear for Christmas. That's no

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Austin Hastings
I think this may be in response to an earlier message of yours looking for a replacement for superposition. But I recall getting a Dilbert calendar for Xmas some years back with a cover featuring the PHB saying I'm not indecisive - I'm flexible! Thus, flexops. And flexpressions (flexprs, for

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Damian Conway
Simon Cozens wrote: In this case I find the latter to be easier to decode and more appealing. There are less chars and paretheses are seen much more easily. Ack, I guess that means we need a one character DWIM operator. Although ... comes pretty close, I suppose. Great minds think alike.

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:26:56AM -0800, David Wheeler wrote: Well, I like set operators, too, but what's the grammatical term for the above logically entangled list of nouns? I'd call them ents if not for Austin Hastings' more sensible flexops (unless someone wants to take a stab at

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Damian Conway
Piers Cawley wrote: Whilst I don't wish to get Medieval on your collective donkey I must say that I'm really not sure of the utility of the proposed infix superposition ops. I'm a big fan of any/all/one/none, I just think that one(any($a, $b, $c), all($d, $e, $f)) Is a good deal more

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Damian Conway
If someone (named Damian :-) wrote a superposition synopsis that showed the many and varied uses of superpositions in contexts that ordinary programmers can relate to, it would bother me less when people make claims about the usefulness of superpositions. I'll take one of those for perl.com!

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread fearcadi
Brian Ingerson writes: On 29/10/02 09:58 -0800, Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: : On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote: So I would look favorably on finding a replacement for superposition. How about christmasgift or

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Damian Conway
David Wheeler wrote: Well, I like set operators, too, but what's the grammatical term for the above logically entangled list of nouns? Superposition. Damian

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Austin Hastings
I confess, I don't get it. To me, it appears to iterate over the input, printing unique values except that two values ($start, $finish) are considered to have already been encountered. If that's all, then okay. But does it somehow skip all entries before/after the delimiter? Also, in a related

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Damian Conway
Brian Ingerson wrote: Oh! I just remembered the ultimate word for a container. It's cozy, of course! Every eigenbunny needs a supercozy! The plural of which is, presumable, supercozens. Now *I'm* really scared! ;-) Damian

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 1:34 PM -0800 10/29/02, Brian Ingerson wrote: On 29/10/02 14:47 -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 10:22 AM -0800 10/29/02, Michael Lazzaro wrote: This is why I am nervous about introducing terms like eigenbunny, etc. Oh, I dunno, I kind of like it. Of course, now my kids want eigenbunny

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Wheeler) writes: Well, I like set operators, too, but what's the grammatical term for the above logically entangled list of nouns? Conjunctions and disjunctions. -- Wouldn't you love to fill out that report? Company asset #423423 was lost while fighting the forces

Re: Wh[ie]ther Infix Superposition ops

2002-10-29 Thread Dave Storrs
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 1:34 PM -0800 10/29/02, Brian Ingerson wrote: Every eigenbunny needs a supercozy! Absolutely. Eigenbunnies in supercozens. Sounds like we've found the mascot for Perl 6! I really want to work a pear pimples for hairy fishnuts reference in here