Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-22 Thread David Mitchell
Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:44:51PM +, David Mitchell wrote: > > > > Also, if we go down the 'have a competition to see who can write the best > > PDD on subject X' path, can we replace the 'TBD' in unnumbered PDDs > > with a short string chosen by the

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-21 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:44:51PM +, David Mitchell wrote: > > Also, if we go down the 'have a competition to see who can write the best > PDD on subject X' path, can we replace the 'TBD' in unnumbered PDDs > with a short string chosen by the author? This allows us to (hopefully) > unqiuely

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-21 Thread David Mitchell
"Bryan C. Warnock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, there's also Meta stuff for discussion that we should probably > document as well. As much as I disliked RFC, I also disliked PDD, as it > 'sounds' internal. But do we create a new category for every new area we > attempt to document, or d

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-21 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
On Tuesday 20 February 2001 21:45, Adam Turoff wrote: > PDDs, like the RFCs that preceded them, will need to serve multiple > purposes. One of them will be to catalog (and *name*) ideas that > keep coming up, including the bad ideas (like the |||= operator) > that we're tired of discussing. I do

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-21 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > I have created perl6-announce-pdd. Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > for clues. by the way, Adam Turoff was kind and volunteered to take the PDD archive pumpkin like he was handling the bazillion RFC's. [EMAIL PROTECTED] will thus go to him now. Be sure to

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 08:58:03PM -0500, Bryan C . Warnock wrote: > On Tuesday 20 February 2001 20:32, Adam Turoff wrote: > > For example, I doubt that we want or need three competing PDDs on > > Async I/O developing in the Standard track, but multiple PDDs on > > the same topic would be welcome

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
On Tuesday 20 February 2001 17:30, Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 02:15 PM 2/20/2001 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > >Bryan C. Warnock writes: > > > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or will there > > > be a new one (perl-pdd)? > > > >I'm in favour of renaming to reflect th

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
On Tuesday 20 February 2001 17:38, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > > I have created perl6-announce-pdd. Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > for clues. > > How should the submission process work? As for the RFC's? Can you confirm the actual submission address? Are we using perl-pdd? And did we want to make th

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
On Tuesday 20 February 2001 18:17, Dan Sugalski wrote: > >Ultimately, I think we're going to need at least three different > >types of documentation: > > > > * internals design documents (PDDs) > > * language design documents (PLDs?) > > * change requests, once we've got something to change (PC

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Bryan C. Warnock wrote: > On Tuesday 20 February 2001 17:38, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > > > > I have created perl6-announce-pdd. Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > for clues. > > > > How should the submission process work? As for the RFC's? > > Can you confirm the actual submissio

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
On Tuesday 20 February 2001 17:43, Peter Scott wrote: > I suggest that we clearly delineate the RFCs which were pre-deadline from > the ones that are post-deadline. The advantage to having the original > deadline was that it motivated many of us to get off our butts and fish or > cut bait. I

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 08:32:07PM -0500, Adam Turoff wrote: > > >How should the submission process work? As for the RFC's? > > Sounds good to me. > Any additional constraints on acceptance criteria? There is an *expectation* that people will not file PPDs as PPDs unless they have been agreed up

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
We lost two of three *and* I missed actual discussion. It must not be my night. :-) On Tuesday 20 February 2001 20:32, Adam Turoff wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 05:42:01PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > At 02:38 PM 2/20/2001 -0800, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > > >How should the submission pro

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 05:42:01PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 02:38 PM 2/20/2001 -0800, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > >How should the submission process work? As for the RFC's? > > Sounds good to me. Any additional constraints on acceptance criteria? PDD 0 describes an acceptable baseline on

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Edward Peschko
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:17:18PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 04:01 PM 2/20/2001 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > >Dan Sugalski writes: > > > I've been thinking since I sent my last mail on this that we might > > actually > > > want to leave the two (PDD & RFC) separate. Keep on with the RF

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:01 PM 2/20/2001 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: >Dan Sugalski writes: > > I've been thinking since I sent my last mail on this that we might > actually > > want to leave the two (PDD & RFC) separate. Keep on with the RFCs for > > 'external' things, and PDD for the actual internals implement

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Nathan Torkington
Dan Sugalski writes: > I've been thinking since I sent my last mail on this that we might actually > want to leave the two (PDD & RFC) separate. Keep on with the RFCs for > 'external' things, and PDD for the actual internals implementation of things. Ultimately, I think we're going to need at l

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:43 PM 2/20/2001 -0600, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: >On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 02:43:14PM -0800, Peter Scott wrote: > > At 05:30 PM 2/20/01 -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > >At 02:15 PM 2/20/2001 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > > >>Bryan C. Warnock writes: > > >> > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-r

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 02:43:14PM -0800, Peter Scott wrote: > At 05:30 PM 2/20/01 -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > >At 02:15 PM 2/20/2001 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > >>Bryan C. Warnock writes: > >> > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or will there > >> > be a new one

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 02:38 PM 2/20/2001 -0800, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: >On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > > > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or > will there > > > > be a new one (perl-pdd)? > > > > > >I'm in favour of renaming to reflect the new use of the list. Dan? >

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Peter Scott
At 05:30 PM 2/20/01 -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: >At 02:15 PM 2/20/2001 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: >>Bryan C. Warnock writes: >> > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or will there >> > be a new one (perl-pdd)? >> >>I'm in favour of renaming to reflect the new use of th

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or will there > > > be a new one (perl-pdd)? > > > >I'm in favour of renaming to reflect the new use of the list. Dan? > > I've been thinking since I sent my last mail on this that we mig

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 02:15 PM 2/20/2001 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: >Bryan C. Warnock writes: > > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or will there > > be a new one (perl-pdd)? > >I'm in favour of renaming to reflect the new use of the list. Dan? I've been thinking since I sent my las

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Nathan Torkington
Bryan C. Warnock writes: > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or will there > be a new one (perl-pdd)? I'm in favour of renaming to reflect the new use of the list. Dan? Nat

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Edward Peschko
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 02:15:56PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > Bryan C. Warnock writes: > > Ask, all, are we reusing perl6-rfc as the submittal address, or will there > > be a new one (perl-pdd)? > > I'm in favour of renaming to reflect the new use of the list. Dan? How about two lists?

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 01:05 PM 2/20/2001 -0500, Bryan C. Warnock wrote: >On Tuesday 20 February 2001 11:22, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > D'oh! Yes, mark it as Approved, or whichever step is past developing. >(I'm > > a little scattered at the moment, so I don't have the doc handy) > >Actually, now that I've been updating

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
On Tuesday 20 February 2001 11:22, Dan Sugalski wrote: > D'oh! Yes, mark it as Approved, or whichever step is past developing. (I'm > a little scattered at the moment, so I don't have the doc handy) Actually, now that I've been updating this, I'm going to hold it at development for a little wh

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 09:05 AM 2/20/2001 -0500, Bryan C. Warnock wrote: >To date, I've received a whopping zero comments on PDD 0, the defining >document for the PDD process. > >That means one of five things: >http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01126.html > >Nat, Dan: PDD 0 is also still at the Proposed level (even though it

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread David Mitchell
"Bryan C. Warnock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To date, I've received a whopping zero comments on PDD 0, the defining > document for the PDD process. > > That means one of five things: > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01126.html Sounded fine to me, but since I'm not one of the Powers, I didnt co

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 09:05:57AM -0500, Bryan C. Warnock wrote: > To date, I've received a whopping zero comments on PDD 0, the defining > document for the PDD process. Uhm, you just turned meta-discussion into meta-meta-discussion, and you wonder why people aren't commenting? :) Seriously,

State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Bryan C . Warnock
To date, I've received a whopping zero comments on PDD 0, the defining document for the PDD process. That means one of five things: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01126.html Surely, if the name of a mailing list can generate so much traffic, then someone must have something to say, no? I'm not