Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-24 Thread David Green
Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Five years seem an eternity in the frenetic world of dot_coms and the like. > But it is not a long time in other areas of human activity. Indeed. To quote Alan Perlis, "Some cathedrals took a century to complete. Can you imagine the grandeur and scope of a program th

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-24 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Thu, 2011-24-11 at 12:43 +0100, Raphael Descamps wrote: > I think that it's a common misconception: a time-frame of 10-20 years > for developing a "new" programming language is absolutely normal. It's also worth looking at C++. This is a good reference: http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/dne.htm

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-24 Thread Raphael Descamps
Am Mittwoch, den 23.11.2011, 17:21 +0100 schrieb Daniel Carrera: > On 11/23/2011 02:58 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Five years seem an eternity in the frenetic world of dot_coms and the > like. But it is not a long time in other areas of human activity. > > Wanting perl6 to be finished will n

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-24 Thread Wendell Hatcher
LOL, I will take that one. :) I looked at all of those. My company uses Ruby so that is what i am going to work with at this time. I was leaning towards scala as well but heard good things about closure and it may fit my needs since i am looking for something that uses the java vm. - On Nov

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-24 Thread B. Estrade
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:59:44AM +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote: > I see things differently. I think that the question "is Perl 6 > production ready?" is a meaningful and fairly important question. > > "Can I reasonably expect to use Perl 6 in a production environment?" > > > The question has as

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Carrera
On 11/23/2011 02:58 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: My response to the original poster was NOT to his first question, but in response to the rather acidic follow up. (His first email was answered by a respectful pointer to the position the perl6 developers have regarding 'the question'.) That is

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hello Wendell, On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:26:48 -0700 Wendell Hatcher wrote: > Thanks, so it isnt production ready like a release which would be an official > release of a new version of perl 5? I have the feeling after well over 5 > years this will never happened. I hope Perl 6 doesnt get seen as

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Wed, 2011-23-11 at 17:58 +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > In addition, let me say this. It has been over five years since perl6 > was first mooted and progress has been slow. But slow progress and > justifications for the slow progress are not excuses. Some things do > take a long time. >

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread Wendell Hatcher
Thanks. On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:40 AM, yary wrote: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Wendell wrote: >> ... How do I remove myself from this user mail listing ... > > It's in the headers- List-Unsubscribe: > > > send an email to that address from the a

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread yary
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Wendell wrote: > ... How do I remove myself from this user mail listing ... It's in the headers- List-Unsubscribe: send an email to that address from the account you've subscribed with

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread Wendell
Thank you Daniel, I got that same feeling as well. The question ends up being lost in argumentative responses or personal comments. And, it is a legitimate question which I now know that Perl6 may not be ready for some time and will probably look at other languages such as Ruby to fill the voi

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread Richard Hainsworth
"Is Perl 6 production ready?" No. "Can I reasonably expect to use Perl 6 in a production environment?" No, except for some fairly trivial and meaningless definitions of "production environment". I am not aware of anyone in this list or on IRC #perl6 who has made any claim to the contrary. If

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread Daniel Carrera
I see things differently. I think that the question "is Perl 6 production ready?" is a meaningful and fairly important question. "Can I reasonably expect to use Perl 6 in a production environment?" The question has as much (or more) to do with implementations than the spec, but that doesn't m

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-23 Thread B. Estrade
Well said. Also, the OP shouldn't confuse Perl 5 (the interpreter-defined language) with Perl 6 (a language definition for interpreters/compilers). The latter benefits from the fact that "Perl 5" is whatever "perl" says it is - for better or worse. So, asking if "Perl 6 is production ready" is l

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-22 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Yet again this thread starts up. Yet again it will end with no one changing their opinions, their expectations, or the time-span of their vision. Personally, I use perl6 in my professional analytical work. I can express solutions to problems elegantly and with a minimum of work. I am not en

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-22 Thread Wendell Hatcher
Thanks, so it isnt production ready like a release which would be an official release of a new version of perl 5? I have the feeling after well over 5 years this will never happened. I hope Perl 6 doesnt get seen as a novelty or toy and people simply never use it if this hasnt already happened.

Re: Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-22 Thread Tadeusz Sośnierz
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 16:59:52 Wendell Hatcher wrote: > Are there people using Perl 6 in production at this time? Is Perl 6 > production ready? http://ttjjss.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/what-is-production-ready/ Kind regards, -- Tadeusz Sośnierz

Production Ready Perl 6?

2011-11-22 Thread Wendell Hatcher
Are there people using Perl 6 in production at this time? Is Perl 6 production ready? -Dell