Re: [pestlist] RE: Help with identification

2012-03-12 Thread bugman22 
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Good call, Lou.  I agree.

Tom Parker



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Yes,  a female Thylodrias contractus.  People often mistake the female odd 
beetle for being a bed bug, but you wouldn’t want that hitching a ride on 
someone’s clothes.  Sorry about all the bed bug related posts in the last few 
days.
 
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Amber - it is hard to tell from the photo  but it looks like a female 
Thylodrias contractus (Odd Beetle).   It is a museum pest  - a dermestid. I 
suspect you have found them before - probably mostly as the larva form.  They 
are very common in museums. Could you send it over to me and I will take a look 
to verify - or I can stop by later in the week.  

(clever way to photograph it)  

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator 
Carnegie Museum of Natural History


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Apologies for the poor-quality images.  I’m hoping there’s enough info there to 
get a basic identification on this insect.  Is it something dangerous?  Or 
something that just hitched a ride in on someone’s clothes?

Thanks,
Amber
 
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RE: [pestlist] Help with identification

2012-03-12 Thread Kelly Meyers 
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I looked up odd beetle images after I posted and think that is more likely.

Kelly

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I'm opting for female odd beetle - thorax too broad for booklouse.

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Date: 03/12/2012 11:27 AM
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something that just hitched a ride in on someone’s clothes?

Thanks,
Amber

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Re: [pestlist] Help with identification

2012-03-12 Thread Forrest St. Aubin 
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I'm opting for female odd beetle - thorax too broad for booklouse. 
 
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Date: 03/12/2012 11:27 AM
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Apologies for the poor-quality images.  I’m hoping there’s enough info there to 
get a basic identification on this insect.  Is it something dangerous?  Or 
something that just hitched a ride in on someone’s clothes?
Thanks,
Amber the warhol:
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RE: [pestlist] RE: Help with identification

2012-03-12 Thread Shae 
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Hi Amber

 

I was waiting for somebody else to confirm my suspicions. I thought 'book
louse' as soon as I saw the pics, and Kelly seems to agree with me.

 

Shae

 

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Hi Amber,

 

I can't be sure from the photos you sent, but I have seen book lice that
look like that under poor magnification or when found in sticky traps. The
second image looks like it may be winged, Dorypteryx-domestica. The below
link has additional information, although it says they die at RH below 50%
which is not consistent with what I have observed in our building.

 

http://www.museumpests.net/pdfholder/27image.pdf 

 

Kelly

_

Kelly Meyers

Archaeology Collections Coordinator

Burke Museum of Natural History and Culture

206-543-7696

k...@uw.edu

 

 

 

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Apologies for the poor-quality images.  I'm hoping there's enough info there
to get a basic identification on this insect.  Is it something dangerous?
Or something that just hitched a ride in on someone's clothes?


Thanks,
Amber

 

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[pestlist] RE: Help with identification

2012-03-12 Thread Louis Sorkin 
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Yes,  a female Thylodrias contractus.  People often mistake the female odd 
beetle for being a bed bug, but you wouldn't want that hitching a ride on 
someone's clothes.  Sorry about all the bed bug related posts in the last few 
days.

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Amber - it is hard to tell from the photo  but it looks like a female 
Thylodrias contractus (Odd Beetle).   It is a museum pest  - a dermestid. I 
suspect you have found them before - probably mostly as the larva form.  They 
are very common in museums. Could you send it over to me and I will take a look 
to verify - or I can stop by later in the week.

(clever way to photograph it)

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator
Carnegie Museum of Natural History

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Apologies for the poor-quality images.  I'm hoping there's enough info there to 
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something that just hitched a ride in on someone's clothes?

Thanks,
Amber

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[pestlist] RE: Help with identification

2012-03-12 Thread Kelly Meyers 
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Hi Amber,

I can't be sure from the photos you sent, but I have seen book lice that look 
like that under poor magnification or when found in sticky traps. The second 
image looks like it may be winged, Dorypteryx-domestica. The below link has 
additional information, although it says they die at RH below 50% which is not 
consistent with what I have observed in our building.

http://www.museumpests.net/pdfholder/27image.pdf

Kelly
_
Kelly Meyers
Archaeology Collections Coordinator
Burke Museum of Natural History and Culture
206-543-7696
k...@uw.edu



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Apologies for the poor-quality images.  I'm hoping there's enough info there to 
get a basic identification on this insect.  Is it something dangerous?  Or 
something that just hitched a ride in on someone's clothes?

Thanks,
Amber

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Pittsburgh, PA 15212
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[pestlist] RE: Help with identification

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Amber - it is hard to tell from the photo  but it looks like a female 
Thylodrias contractus (Odd Beetle).   It is a museum pest  - a dermestid. I 
suspect you have found them before - probably mostly as the larva form.  They 
are very common in museums. Could you send it over to me and I will take a look 
to verify - or I can stop by later in the week.

(clever way to photograph it)

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator
Carnegie Museum of Natural History

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Apologies for the poor-quality images.  I’m hoping there’s enough info there to 
get a basic identification on this insect.  Is it something dangerous?  Or 
something that just hitched a ride in on someone’s clothes?

Thanks,
Amber

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Associate Registrar
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Re: [pestlist] Freezer Trucks

2012-03-12 Thread dana senge 
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Hello Tom,

Thank you- we did achieve 5F within 48 hours.  I appreciate your
assessment of the data.

Take care,

Dana

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> Dear Dana,
>
> You should not be disappointed with your low temperature  treatment.
> I assume a record box is roughly 16 inches long, 12 inches wide and 10
> inches high. Your email indicates they were stacked as walls. I assume they
> were stacked sides-abutting to make them more stable leaving a wall 16
> inches thick.  With close packed organic, akin to bales of agricultural
> product, your stack will have a  time to thermal half change in about one
> day+.  72F degrees is 21C. -15 F is -26C, more than adequate to kill pest
> insects so not achieving -20F (-28C) is not a concern as -20C is quite
> sufficient for a week. The fact you achieved -26C from 21C means you
> dropped 47C in 4 days,  about a time to half change of a day (remember the
> frog jumping half down a log, then half again.. when does the frog jump off
> the log puzzle). Were you at 5F at two days? if so you were pretty much
> spot on what can be estimated from the chart I published in 1994, and is
> available in the  CCI TB29 and on our website (find "ten agents  pests").
> Hold them at your -15F setpoint and you will have had an efficacious
> treatment unless there was thermal bridging from the bottom of the van into
> the base of the stack. If they were on pallets, and air circulated under,
> all should be well.
>
> http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/caringfor-prendresoindes/articles/10agents/chap06-eng.aspx
>
> Cheers,
> Sincerely,
> Tom Strang
>
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> Institut Canadien de Conservation | Canadian Conservation Institute
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1A 0M5
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> We recently tried using a freezer truck to process a large number of
> boxes of archives.  Record boxes were stacked in rows with 12" gaps
> between the rows to allow for air circulation.  We placed a datalogger
> in the center of one of the boxes of archive materials (in the center
> of the truck) and another outside the boxes to measure the temperature
> of the air in the truck box.  The results were surprising.
>
> We had been informed that the truck would go down to -20 degrees F in
> 4 hours.  Our data loggers showed that it took 10 hours for the air in
> the truck to go from 44 degrees F to -15 degrees F, and the
> temperature inside one of the record boxes took ~96 hours to drop from
> 70 degrees to -15 degrees.  (The boxes had been in a 72 degree
> environment before being placed in the truck box).  It appears that
> the starting temperature of the boxes of paper was more difficult to
> reduce than I expected.  And the truck never achieved the desired
> temperature.
>
> We are very disappointed in these initial results and are trying to
> figure out if there is a different  strategy for using a freezer
> truck, or if this is just not feasible for freezing densely packed
> materials, such as paper packed in a record box.  We are discussing
> packing boxes half full and packing the truck to allow for even more
> air circulation.  But it seems that getting to the goal of -20 degrees
> F in 4 hours may not be feasible.
>
> Does anyone have any positive experiences working with a freezer truck
> for processing a large quantity of materials?  Especially dense
> materials such as wood or boxes of paper?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dana Senge
> Assistant Conservator
> National Park Service
> Intermountain Region Museum Services Program
> Tucson, AZ 85745
> 520-791-6432
> dana_se...@nps.gov
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RE: [pestlist] Freezer Trucks

2012-03-12 Thread Louis Sorkin 
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Just pointing out that they are very different from the typical insects 
associated with cultural collections
“Bed bugs and their eggs cannot withstand -20 F for 72 hours; not that bed bugs 
are a big deal in cultural collections anyway.”
“It is true about bed bugs; they're tough critters.  However, there's no way 
they are going to survive 72 hours at -20 F or -15 F, or even 0 F.”
0°F is effective in killing bed bugs, but items must be left in the freezer for 
at least 4 days (96 hours compared to 72 hours).


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Group -

I know this particular email from Tom Strang concerns freezer trucks.  He's 
right on with what I've been saying all along; you don't have to reach -20 F in 
4 hours.

Let me address chest-type freezers.  There seems to be confusion out there 
about them.  There are lots of chest-type freezers available today that can 
maintain -20 F.  And frost-free freezers are OK.  Do an on-line search and 
you'll see what I'm saying.

Bed bugs and their eggs cannot withstand -20 F for 72 hours; not that bed bugs 
are a big deal in cultural collections anyway.
Tom Parker
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Dear Dana,



You should not be disappointed with your low temperature  treatment.

I assume a record box is roughly 16 inches long, 12 inches wide and 10

inches high. Your email indicates they were stacked as walls. I assume they

were stacked sides-abutting to make them more stable leaving a wall 16

inches thick.  With close packed organic, akin to bales of agricultural

product, your stack will have a  time to thermal half change in about one

day+.  72F degrees is 21C. -15 F is -26C, more than adequate to kill pest

insects so not achieving -20F (-28C) is not a concern as -20C is quite

sufficient for a week. The fact you achieved -26C from 21C means you

dropped 47C in 4 days,  about a time to half change of a day (remember the

frog jumping half down a log, then half again.. when does the frog jump off

the log puzzle). Were you at 5F at two days? if so you were pretty much

spot on what can be estimated from the chart I published in 1994, and is

available in the  CCI TB29 and on our website (find "ten agents  pests").

Hold them at your -15F setpoint and you will have had an efficacious

treatment unless there was thermal bridging from the bottom of the van into

the base of the stack. If they were on pallets, and air circulated under,

all should be well.



http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/caringfor-prendresoindes/articles/10agents/chap06-eng.aspx



Cheers,

Sincerely,

Tom Strang



Canadian Conservation Institute | Institut canadien de conservation

Senior Conservation Scientist | Scientifique principal en conservation

Institut Canadien de Conservation | Canadian Conservation Institute

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1A 0M5



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We recently tried using a freezer truck to process a large number of

boxes of archives.  Record boxes were stacked in rows with 12" gaps

between the rows to allow for air circulation.  We placed a datalogger

in the center of one of the boxes of archive materials (in the center

of the truck) and another outside the boxes to measure the temperature

of the air in the truck box.  The re

Re: [pestlist] Freezer Trucks

2012-03-12 Thread bugman22 
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Group -

I know this particular email from Tom Strang concerns freezer trucks.  He's 
right on with what I've been saying all along; you don't have to reach -20 F in 
4 hours.

Let me address chest-type freezers.  There seems to be confusion out there 
about them.  There are lots of chest-type freezers available today that can 
maintain -20 F.  And frost-free freezers are OK.  Do an on-line search and 
you'll see what I'm saying.  

Bed bugs and their eggs cannot withstand -20 F for 72 hours; not that bed bugs 
are a big deal in cultural collections anyway.

Tom Parker


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To: pestlist 
Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [pestlist] Freezer Trucks


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ear Dana,
You should not be disappointed with your low temperature  treatment.
 assume a record box is roughly 16 inches long, 12 inches wide and 10
nches high. Your email indicates they were stacked as walls. I assume they
ere stacked sides-abutting to make them more stable leaving a wall 16
nches thick.  With close packed organic, akin to bales of agricultural
roduct, your stack will have a  time to thermal half change in about one
ay+.  72F degrees is 21C. -15 F is -26C, more than adequate to kill pest
nsects so not achieving -20F (-28C) is not a concern as -20C is quite
ufficient for a week. The fact you achieved -26C from 21C means you
ropped 47C in 4 days,  about a time to half change of a day (remember the
rog jumping half down a log, then half again.. when does the frog jump off
he log puzzle). Were you at 5F at two days? if so you were pretty much
pot on what can be estimated from the chart I published in 1994, and is
vailable in the  CCI TB29 and on our website (find "ten agents  pests").
old them at your -15F setpoint and you will have had an efficacious
reatment unless there was thermal bridging from the bottom of the van into
he base of the stack. If they were on pallets, and air circulated under,
ll should be well.
http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/caringfor-prendresoindes/articles/10agents/chap06-eng.aspx
Cheers,
incerely,
om Strang
Canadian Conservation Institute | Institut canadien de conservation
enior Conservation Scientist | Scientifique principal en conservation
nstitut Canadien de Conservation | Canadian Conservation Institute
ttawa, Ontario, Canada, K1A 0M5
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e recently tried using a freezer truck to process a large number of
oxes of archives.  Record boxes were stacked in rows with 12" gaps
etween the rows to allow for air circulation.  We placed a datalogger
n the center of one of the boxes of archive materials (in the center
f the truck) and another outside the boxes to measure the temperature
f the air in the truck box.  The results were surprising.
We had been informed that the truck would go down to -20 degrees F in
 hours.  Our data loggers showed that it took 10 hours for the air in
he truck to go from 44 degrees F to -15 degrees F, and the
emperature inside one of the record boxes took ~96 hours to drop from
0 degrees to -15 degrees.  (The boxes had been in a 72 degree
nvironment before being placed in the truck box).  It appears that
he starting temperature of the boxes of paper was more difficult to
educe than I expected.  And the truck never achieved the desired
emperature.
We are very disappointed in these initial results and are trying to
igure out if there is a different  strategy for using a freezer
ruck, or if this is just not feasible for freezing densely packed
aterials, such as paper packed in a record box.  We are discussing
acking boxes half full and packing the truck to allow for even more
ir circulation.  But it seems that getting to the goal of -20 degrees
 in 4 hours may not be feasible.
Does anyone have any positive experiences working with a freezer truck
or processing a large quantity of materials?  Especially dense
aterials such as wood or boxes of paper?

hanks,
Dana Senge
ssistant Conservator
ational Park Service
ntermountain Region Museum Services Program
ucso

Re: [pestlist] Freezer Trucks

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Dear Dana,

You should not be disappointed with your low temperature  treatment.
I assume a record box is roughly 16 inches long, 12 inches wide and 10
inches high. Your email indicates they were stacked as walls. I assume they
were stacked sides-abutting to make them more stable leaving a wall 16
inches thick.  With close packed organic, akin to bales of agricultural
product, your stack will have a  time to thermal half change in about one
day+.  72F degrees is 21C. -15 F is -26C, more than adequate to kill pest
insects so not achieving -20F (-28C) is not a concern as -20C is quite
sufficient for a week. The fact you achieved -26C from 21C means you
dropped 47C in 4 days,  about a time to half change of a day (remember the
frog jumping half down a log, then half again.. when does the frog jump off
the log puzzle). Were you at 5F at two days? if so you were pretty much
spot on what can be estimated from the chart I published in 1994, and is
available in the  CCI TB29 and on our website (find "ten agents  pests").
Hold them at your -15F setpoint and you will have had an efficacious
treatment unless there was thermal bridging from the bottom of the van into
the base of the stack. If they were on pallets, and air circulated under,
all should be well.

http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/caringfor-prendresoindes/articles/10agents/chap06-eng.aspx

Cheers,
Sincerely,
Tom Strang

Canadian Conservation Institute | Institut canadien de conservation
Senior Conservation Scientist | Scientifique principal en conservation
Institut Canadien de Conservation | Canadian Conservation Institute
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1A 0M5

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Date:   03/10/2012 08:50 PM
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We recently tried using a freezer truck to process a large number of
boxes of archives.  Record boxes were stacked in rows with 12" gaps
between the rows to allow for air circulation.  We placed a datalogger
in the center of one of the boxes of archive materials (in the center
of the truck) and another outside the boxes to measure the temperature
of the air in the truck box.  The results were surprising.

We had been informed that the truck would go down to -20 degrees F in
4 hours.  Our data loggers showed that it took 10 hours for the air in
the truck to go from 44 degrees F to -15 degrees F, and the
temperature inside one of the record boxes took ~96 hours to drop from
70 degrees to -15 degrees.  (The boxes had been in a 72 degree
environment before being placed in the truck box).  It appears that
the starting temperature of the boxes of paper was more difficult to
reduce than I expected.  And the truck never achieved the desired
temperature.

We are very disappointed in these initial results and are trying to
figure out if there is a different  strategy for using a freezer
truck, or if this is just not feasible for freezing densely packed
materials, such as paper packed in a record box.  We are discussing
packing boxes half full and packing the truck to allow for even more
air circulation.  But it seems that getting to the goal of -20 degrees
F in 4 hours may not be feasible.

Does anyone have any positive experiences working with a freezer truck
for processing a large quantity of materials?  Especially dense
materials such as wood or boxes of paper?


Thanks,

Dana Senge
Assistant Conservator
National Park Service
Intermountain Region Museum Services Program
Tucson, AZ 85745
520-791-6432
dana_se...@nps.gov


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RE: [pestlist] Freezer Trucks

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Think again.  Cimex is a very different creature.
Bed Bug Research at U MN
For freezing, a minimum of 23°F (-5°C) must be maintained for at least 5 days.
As the temperature is decreased, the time of exposure is shortened. For 
instance,
the articles could be "flash frozen," resulting in a very short time of 
exposure,
but the target temperature should be -15°F (-26°C), the conditions required to
instantly freeze the eggs. Keep in mind that most household freezers will have
varying temperatures between 30°F and 20°F, and a 2-week freeze time is 
recommended
if you are uncertain of the freezer temperatures.

The temperature of your freezer is very important. The lower the temperature, 
the
less time needed to kill bed bugs. Freezers set to 0°F are effective in killing 
bed bugs,
but items must be left in the freezer for at least 4 days. If you are concerned 
about
ensuring that temperatures are low enough, purchase an indoor/outdoor 
thermometer and
monitor the temperature inside the items you are freezing. 0°F must be reached 
in the
center of the materials being frozen to kill bed bugs. Bulky items require more 
time.
Start counting the 4 day exposure time when the center of the object has 
reached 0°F.
Do not use temperatures above 5F (-15°C) as eggs and small bed bugs may survive.


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It is true about bed bugs; they're tough critters.  However, there's no way 
they are going to survive 72 hours at -20 F or -15 F, or even 0 F.

Tom




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If you happen to have bed bugs (funny I should mention them!) in boxes (I've 
seen office records with bed bugs from clients, workers, other people's homes), 
taking it down to 32F is no where near sufficient.  In fact, taking it down to 
-30F for a few hours doesn't kill them either; they just warm up and wake up 
after bringing the material back to room temp.

Louis N. Sorkin, B.C.E.
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Dana -

In addition you need to realize that boxes of archives are very dense - and 
that paper is very good insulator. In fact, shredded paper is used to insulate 
houses in northern climates.  Given that, it is not surprising that it took 
time to reach the the desired temperature.  Be patient - the method works.

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator
Carnegie  Museum of Natural History

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First of al