Re: [HACKERS] pg_dump and large files - is this a problem?

2002-11-04 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD
Tom Lane writes: I think the problem is more accurately described thus: Flex generated files include stdio.h before postgres.h due to the way it lays out the code in the output. stdio.h does something which prevents switching to the large file model later on in postgres.h. (This

[HACKERS] Finishing Domains...

2002-11-04 Thread Rod Taylor
I've got a couple of free days coming up, so I want to finish domain support (Check constraints). Is it safe to teach Var how to deal with values that do not originate from a tuple? Or should I create a new primnode to deal with these types of variables. CREATE DOMAIN dom AS integer

[HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Pedro M. Ferreira
Hi All, This relates to the recent discussion about floating point output format. The discussion was at a point where one parameter would be added to specify the number of extra digits used in fp output formatting. The parameter would have a 0 default value, a maximum of 2 and the minimum

Re: [HACKERS] pg_dump and large files - is this a problem?

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue is, that you need to remove the #include bootstrap_tokens.h line from the lex file. Good point; I'm surprised gcc doesn't spit up on that. I've made that mod and also added the inclusion-order-correction in pqsignal.c.

Re: [HACKERS] Finishing Domains...

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it safe to teach Var how to deal with values that do not originate from a tuple? Or should I create a new primnode to deal with these types of variables. I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sure sounds like something that should not be in

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: int extra_float4_digits, default 0, min -4, max 2 int extra_float8_digits, defualt 0, min -13, max 2 I think a single setting extra_float_digits would be sufficient. Also, if we concluded that there is a need of 2 more digits, should'nt this be

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Pedro M. Ferreira
Tom Lane wrote: Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: int extra_float4_digits, default 0, min -4, max 2 int extra_float8_digits, defualt 0, min -13, max 2 I think a single setting extra_float_digits would be sufficient. Ok. Assuming, int extra_float_digits, default 0, min -13, max 2

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom Lane wrote: I think a single setting extra_float_digits would be sufficient. Ok. Assuming, int extra_float_digits, default 0, min -13, max 2 If extra_float_digits==-13 and we are outputing a float4 this results in a negative value for

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Pedro M. Ferreira
Tom Lane wrote: Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If extra_float_digits==-13 and we are outputing a float4 this results in a negative value for FLT_DIG+extra_float_digits. You would want to clamp the values passed to %g to not less than 1. I'd favor code like int ndig = FLT_DIG +

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am attaching the diff's made with diff -u. Sources were from Debian source package Version 7.2.1-2woody2. Looks good, will keep to apply after we branch for 7.4 development. BTW, did you check to see if this affects the geometric types or not? I

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Pedro M. Ferreira
Tom Lane wrote: Looks good, will keep to apply after we branch for 7.4 development. BTW, did you check to see if this affects the geometric types or not? I am not sure that they go through float8out; they may need similar adjustments in their output routines. Only checked arrays. I will check

[HACKERS] v7.3Beta4 Tag'd and Packaged ...

2002-11-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Morning all ... As I was unable to figure out a way of merging HEAD into a BRANCH (BRANCH into HEAD is easy), I moved the REL7_3_STABLE tag up to today, so that the BRANCH is in a more appropriate location. I've packaged up beta4 based on the branch, and its currently up and

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Pedro M. Ferreira
Tom Lane wrote: BTW, did you check to see if this affects the geometric types or not? I am not sure that they go through float8out; they may need similar adjustments in their output routines. In fact they need adjustments. The *_out routines (in src/backend/utils/adt/geo_ops.c) for the

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These functions produce output with (for pair_encode): sprintf(str, %.*g,%.*g, digits8, x, digits8, y); digits8 is defined as , #define P_MAXDIG DBL_DIG static int digits8 = P_MAXDIG; I think it would be done the same way as for float4_out

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Pedro M. Ferreira
Tom Lane wrote: Yeah. In fact I'd be inclined to remove the static variable and make the code match float8out exactly (do DBL_DIG + extra_float_digits). P_MAXDIG is only used in the lines below: #define P_MAXDIG DBL_DIG #define P_MAXLEN (2*(P_MAXDIG+7)+1) static int digits8 = P_MAXDIG;

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3Beta4 Tag'd and Packaged ...

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I was unable to figure out a way of merging HEAD into a BRANCH (BRANCH into HEAD is easy), I moved the REL7_3_STABLE tag up to today, so that the BRANCH is in a more appropriate location. It looks like this was only 99.44% right. There are

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it ok to remove #define P_MAXDIG DBL_DIG, change P_MAXLEN to 2*(DBL_DIG+7)+1) and remove the line 'static int digits8 = P_MAXDIG;' ? Perhaps P_MAXLEN now needs to be (2*(DBL_DIG+2+7)+1), considering that we'll allow extra_float_digits to be

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Pedro M. Ferreira
Tom Lane wrote: Pedro M. Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it ok to remove #define P_MAXDIG DBL_DIG, change P_MAXLEN to 2*(DBL_DIG+7)+1) and remove the line 'static int digits8 = P_MAXDIG;' ? Perhaps P_MAXLEN now needs to be (2*(DBL_DIG+2+7)+1), considering that we'll allow

Re: [HACKERS] Is my Internet connection slow

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do we have two doc builds anyway? Mainly because Bruce is willing to expend the cycles to rebuild his nearly on-demand. Last I checked, the build on hub is only updated once or twice a day, so it's not as useful for verifying doc checkins.

Re: [HACKERS] [CYGWIN] ipc-daemon

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jason Tishler writes: 1. If ipc-daemon is not running, then cygipc's shmget() will return EACCES. 2. This causes PostgreSQL's InternalIpcMemoryCreate() to return NULL. 3. This causes PostgreSQL's PGSharedMemoryCreate() to spin looking for

Re: [HACKERS] Request for supported platforms

2002-11-04 Thread Alessio Bragadini
On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 10:22:42AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: I've committed fixes for the other issues too, so CVS tip should now pass cleanly on your platform. I've built the snapshot from CVS tip and now the regression tests pass with both GCC 2.95.1 and Compaq C V6.4-216 (dtk) on Digital UNIX

[HACKERS] missing const in PQescapeBytea/PQunescapeBytea in 7.3b3

2002-11-04 Thread Tommi Maekitalo
Hi, I just discovered, that there is missing a const when passing a buffer to PQescapeBytea and PQunescapeBytea. I fixed it and tried to create a usable diff (I'm not so familar to diff). Tommi *** postgresql-7.3b3/src/interfaces/libpq/fe-exec.c 2002-09-04 22:31:47.0 +0200 ---

[HACKERS] TPCC test in postgreSQL 7.3 beta3

2002-11-04 Thread chengwen Wu
Hello, I used TPCC to test postgreSQL 7.3 beta3 version. My test steps are showed as follow, 1st, the number of TPCC simulation processes is 100, run time is 7200 seconds. The consistency test was got through successfully. 2nd, the number of TPCC simulation processes is

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3Beta4 Tag'd and Packaged ...

2002-11-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I was unable to figure out a way of merging HEAD into a BRANCH (BRANCH into HEAD is easy), I moved the REL7_3_STABLE tag up to today, so that the BRANCH is in a more appropriate location. It looks like

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3Beta4 Tag'd and Packaged ...

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps easiest to just re-delete them in the branch? Or is there a cleaner way? Easiest is to re-delete them ... Okay, done that. REL7_3_STABLE branch now matches CVS tip --- or did until I branded HEAD's configure.in as 7.4devel, a few moments

[HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Neil Conway
There has been some previous discussion of changing the FE/BE protocol in 7.4, in order to fix several problems. I think this is worth doing: if we can resolve all these issues in a single release, it will lessen the upgrade difficulties for users. I'm aware of the following problems that need a

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 08:10:29PM -0500, Mike Mascari wrote: Actually, I was thinking along the lines of a true CREATE DATABASE LINK implementation, where multiple databases could participate in a distributed transaction. That would require the backend in which the main query is

Re: [HACKERS] Finishing Domains...

2002-11-04 Thread Rod Taylor
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 09:44, Tom Lane wrote: Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it safe to teach Var how to deal with values that do not originate from a tuple? Or should I create a new primnode to deal with these types of variables. I have no idea what you're talking about, but it

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Perhaps P_MAXLEN now needs to be (2*(DBL_DIG+2+7)+1), considering that we'll allow extra_float_digits to be up to 2. What's it used for? Yes. I guess so, because it is used in what I think is a memory allocation function. P_MAXLEN is only used twice: Curse my slowness, but what's the

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Darren Johnson
I'm now implementing 2PC replication and distributed transaction. My 2PC needs some supports in startup packet to establish a replication session or a recovery session. BTW, my 2PC replication is working, and I'm implementing 2PC recovery now. I would like to here more about your

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Satoshi Nagayasu
Darren Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to here more about your implementation. Do you have some documentation that I could read? Documentation is not available, but I have some slides for my presentation. http://snaga.org/pgsql/20021018_2pc.pdf Some answers for your

[HACKERS] Another bug in tsearch?

2002-11-04 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Hi Oleg Teodor, This behaviour is causing problems in my search engine: australia=# select 'banana/pineapple'::mquery_txt; mquery_txt 'banana/pineapple' (1 row) In our case the forward slash symbol should really be treated as a word break. Are there any cases where

[HACKERS] rebuilding beta4 ... fails in docs build ...

2002-11-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
one too many things removed? this build worked earlier today, so its only since removing those directories that something has broken ... openjade -D . -D ./ref -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog - d stylesheet.dsl -i output-html -t sgml postgres.sgml

Re: [HACKERS] Float output formatting options

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Christopher Kings-Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curse my slowness, but what's the actual problem being fixed here? Two things: * allow pg_dump to accurately dump and restore float quantities (setting float_extra_digits to 2 during the dump will accomplish this, at least on systems with

Re: [HACKERS] rebuilding beta4 ... fails in docs build ...

2002-11-04 Thread Rod Taylor
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 23:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: one too many things removed? this build worked earlier today, so its only since removing those directories that something has broken ... Bruce left an extra /entry tag at on line 1534 of installation.sgml :) Can't make a patch because

Re: [HACKERS] rebuilding beta4 ... fails in docs build ...

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: one too many things removed? Just broken SGML markup ... fixed I think ... regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ?

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
I don't see why 2PC would require any protocol-level change. I would think that the API would be something like BEGIN; issue some commands ... PRECOMMIT; -- if the above does not return an error, then COMMIT; In other words, 2PC would require some new

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Grant Finnemore
Questions have arisen during discussions about errors relating to how to support error codes without changing the FE/BE protocols. (see TODO.detail/error) Now that the protocol is up for revision, how about supporting sql state strings, error codes, and other information directly in the protocol.

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Neil Conway
Grant Finnemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that the protocol is up for revision, how about supporting sql state strings, error codes, and other information directly in the protocol. Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Error codes would be another thing we can ideally support in 7.4, and we'd

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Satoshi Nagayasu
Tom Lane wrote: I don't see why 2PC would require any protocol-level change. I would think that the API would be something like BEGIN; issue some commands ... PRECOMMIT; -- if the above does not return an error, then COMMIT; In other words, 2PC would

Re: [HACKERS] Is my Internet connection slow

2002-11-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Sure, script attached. It uses a few of my other scripts so it will need customization. I can easily supply those missing scripts too. I run it every 7 minutes from cron with: */7 * * * * root /letc/pgsgml /dev/null 21 I can even

Re: [HACKERS] Request for supported platforms

2002-11-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Ports list updated: http://candle.pha.pa.us/main/writings/pgsql/sgml/supported-platforms.html --- Sean Chittenden wrote: Or at least it's *trying* to apply it for 4.7 --- as near as I can tell without testing, the

Re: [HACKERS] Is my Internet connection slow

2002-11-04 Thread Rod Taylor
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 21:40, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Sure, script attached. It uses a few of my other scripts so it will need customization. I can easily supply those missing scripts too. I run it every 7 minutes from cron with: */7 * *

[HACKERS] PostgreSQL IRC Channel... who's the Admin?

2002-11-04 Thread Justin Clift
Hi all, Who's an Admin for the PostgreSQL IRC Channel (#postgresql) on irc.openprojects.net? The topic there is advertising some items for some guy on eBay, claiming it supports the PostgreSQL channel, and no-one knows anything about it. There also doesn't appear to be any IRC Admin's about.

Re: [HACKERS] [CYGWIN] ipc-daemon

2002-11-04 Thread Jason Tishler
Tom, Peter, On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 02:43:01PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To me, this is a bug in PostgreSQL. I disagree: just because cygipc returns error codes chosen at random doesn't mean that we should neglect the clear meaning of an error code.

Re: [CYGWIN] [HACKERS] Request for supported platforms

2002-11-04 Thread Jason Tishler
Peter, On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 07:36:40PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Dave Page writes: Hackers: As the Cygwin release that is actively supported is the binary distribution that Jason builds, I would think this is OK to be listed as supported if no-one disagrees... I disagree. We

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Database replication... - Mission Critical DBMS's --

2002-11-04 Thread Bill Gribble
On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 17:56, Greg Patnude wrote: Does anyone know of a reasonable means of synchronizing two (or more) postgreSQL database servers in order to maintain two COMPLETE concurrent copies of the same database ? I'm not sure how complete it is (just starting to look at this myself)

Re: [HACKERS] Turning the PLANNER off

2002-11-04 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:59:39PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: What's the basis for your assertion that it's planning things that don't need it? Given a JOIN-constrained query I do not believe the planner will look at any cases other than the intended join order. Well, that was a loose choice of

Re: [HACKERS] Is my Internet connection slow

2002-11-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do we have two doc builds anyway? Mainly because Bruce is willing to expend the cycles to rebuild his nearly on-demand. Last I checked, the build on hub is only updated once or twice a day, so it's not as

[HACKERS] disable a single trigger

2002-11-04 Thread Laurette Cisneros
What is the status of the tgenabled field in pg_trigger? It would be so nice to be able to disable just a single trigger on a table rather than having to disable all triggers. The docs say not presently checked everywhere it should be, so disabling a trigger by setting this false does not work

Re: [HACKERS] Is my Internet connection slow

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mainly because Bruce is willing to expend the cycles to rebuild his nearly on-demand. Last I checked, the build on hub is only updated once or twice a day, so it's not as useful for verifying doc checkins. 'k, is there a reason why it can't be run

Re: [HACKERS] disable a single trigger

2002-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Laurette Cisneros [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the status of the tgenabled field in pg_trigger? It would be so nice to be able to disable just a single trigger on a table rather than having to disable all triggers. The docs say not presently checked everywhere it should be, so disabling

Re: [HACKERS] Is my Internet connection slow

2002-11-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Sure, script attached. It uses a few of my other scripts so it will need customization. I can easily supply those missing scripts too. I run it every 7 minutes from cron with: */7 * * * * root /letc/pgsgml /dev/null 21 I can even install the whole thing on postgresql.org if you

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3Beta4 Tag'd and Packaged ...

2002-11-04 Thread Larry Rosenman
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 15:52, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps easiest to just re-delete them in the branch? Or is there a cleaner way? Easiest is to re-delete them ... Okay, done that. REL7_3_STABLE branch now matches CVS tip --- or did until I

Re: [HACKERS] pg_dump and large files - is this a problem?

2002-11-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Does this resolve our AIX compile problem? --- Tom Lane wrote: Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue is, that you need to remove the #include bootstrap_tokens.h line from the lex file. Good

Re: [HACKERS] Request for supported platforms

2002-11-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Ports list updated: http://candle.pha.pa.us/main/writings/pgsql/sgml/supported-platforms.html --- Alessio Bragadini wrote: On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 10:22:42AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: I've committed fixes for the other

Re: [HACKERS] missing const in PQescapeBytea/PQunescapeBytea in 7.3b3

2002-11-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
This has been saved for the 7.4 release: http:/momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgpatches2 --- Tommi Maekitalo wrote: Hi, I just discovered, that there is missing a const when passing a buffer to PQescapeBytea

Re: [HACKERS] [CYGWIN] ipc-daemon

2002-11-04 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Jason Tishler writes: 1. If ipc-daemon is not running, then cygipc's shmget() will return EACCES. 2. This causes PostgreSQL's InternalIpcMemoryCreate() to return NULL. 3. This causes PostgreSQL's PGSharedMemoryCreate() to spin looking for accessible shared

Re: [HACKERS] Is my Internet connection slow

2002-11-04 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: Yeah. I don't use your docs build anymore unless I really have to... the one at hub.org is much more responsive. Oh, that is a problem. Thanks. Why do we have two doc builds anyway? -- Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Mike Mascari
Neil Conway wrote: There has been some previous discussion of changing the FE/BE protocol in 7.4, in order to fix several problems. I think this is worth doing: if we can resolve all these issues in a single release, it will lessen the upgrade difficulties for users. snip If I've missed

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Neil Conway
Mike Mascari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any thought about changing the protocol to support two-phase commit? Not that 2PC and distributed transactions would be implemented in 7.4, but to prevent another protocol change in the future? My understanding is that 2PC is one way to

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Mike Mascari
Neil Conway wrote: Mike Mascari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any thought about changing the protocol to support two-phase commit? Not that 2PC and distributed transactions would be implemented in 7.4, but to prevent another protocol change in the future? My understanding is that 2PC is

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Satoshi Nagayasu
Hi, Mike Mascari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any thought about changing the protocol to support two-phase commit? Not that 2PC and distributed transactions would be implemented in 7.4, but to prevent another protocol change in the future? I'm now implementing 2PC replication and

Re: [HACKERS] Request for supported platforms

2002-11-04 Thread Sean Chittenden
Or at least it's *trying* to apply it for 4.7 --- as near as I can tell without testing, the above scrap of resultmap code is wrong because both of the i.86 lines will match on FreeBSD 4.7, and I think the pg_regress coding will take the last match. Larry, did you actually test the

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL IRC Channel... who's the Admin?

2002-11-04 Thread Neil Conway
Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, Who's an Admin for the PostgreSQL IRC Channel (#postgresql) on irc.openprojects.net? The only person I've seen with ops is someone called 'raja', who is only rarely (i.e. once every couple months) in the channel. I talked to lilo about getting

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3Beta4 Tag'd and Packaged ...

2002-11-04 Thread Thomas Lockhart
As I was unable to figure out a way of merging HEAD into a BRANCH (BRANCH into HEAD is easy), I moved the REL7_3_STABLE tag up to today, so that the BRANCH is in a more appropriate location. It is easy to move both directions; I've done it. You need to have the right stuff in your checked-out

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3Beta4 Tag'd and Packaged ...

2002-11-04 Thread Thomas Lockhart
Out of curiousity, is there an easy (heh) way to upgrade(change?) a checked out tree to be off the branch? cvs update -rYOUR_BRANCH_NAME_HERE . - Thomas ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL IRC Channel... who's the Admin?

2002-11-04 Thread Justin Clift
Hi Neil, Cool. It's fixed now. We've just recreated the channel and started giving operator access to the right people. :-) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Neil Conway wrote: Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, Who's an Admin for the PostgreSQL IRC Channel