Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-12-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2009-12-01 at 18:03 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
 Tom Lane wrote:
  Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
   2009/12/1 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us:
   What are we going to do for build farm members who don't support
   threading? Is someone going to manually update their configure flags?
  
   Yeah, I think so.
  
   Unless there's a whole lot of them, in which case we revert the patch.
  
  It would seem like we ought to try the one-liner patch Magnus proposed
  (ie flip the default) and see what the effects are, before we go with
  the much larger patch Bruce wrote.
 
 OK, done --- let the breakage begin.  (I will be monitoring the build
 farm and will work with Andrew Dunstan on any issues.)

You have removed all the configure code that defined
ENABLE_THREAD_SAFETY, but there is still lots and lots of code that
checks for #ifdef ENABLE_THREAD_SAFETY.  So this is is probably quite
broken at the moment.


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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-12-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
 On tis, 2009-12-01 at 18:03 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
  Tom Lane wrote:
   Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
2009/12/1 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us:
What are we going to do for build farm members who don't support
threading? Is someone going to manually update their configure flags?
   
Yeah, I think so.
   
Unless there's a whole lot of them, in which case we revert the patch.
   
   It would seem like we ought to try the one-liner patch Magnus proposed
   (ie flip the default) and see what the effects are, before we go with
   the much larger patch Bruce wrote.
  
  OK, done --- let the breakage begin.  (I will be monitoring the build
  farm and will work with Andrew Dunstan on any issues.)
 
 You have removed all the configure code that defined
 ENABLE_THREAD_SAFETY, but there is still lots and lots of code that
 checks for #ifdef ENABLE_THREAD_SAFETY.  So this is is probably quite
 broken at the moment.

Yep, you have identified the bug, and I have applied the proper patch,
thanks.

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-12-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Bruce Momjian wrote:
  It would seem like we ought to try the one-liner patch Magnus proposed
  (ie flip the default) and see what the effects are, before we go with
  the much larger patch Bruce wrote.
 
 OK, done --- let the breakage begin.  (I will be monitoring the build
 farm and will work with Andrew Dunstan on any issues.)

OK, only Unixware and OpenBSD went red on the buildfarm with threading
enabled, so I have applied the more complete patch to enable thread
safety on clients by default, e.g. doc changes.

Andrew Dunstan is going to contact those build farm members so they use
--disable-thread-safety.  He has also agreed to update the buildfarm to
detect this new option behavior.

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-12-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
 On m?n, 2009-11-30 at 12:21 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
  ! for thread safety;  use --disable-thread-safety to disable
  threading.])
 
 --disable-thread-safety does not disable threading, it disables thread
 safety.

Good point!  Patch updated and attached.

What are we going to do for build farm members who don't support
threading?  Is someone going to manually update their configure flags?

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Index: configure
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/pgsql/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.659
diff -c -c -r1.659 configure
*** configure	30 Nov 2009 16:50:37 -	1.659
--- configure	1 Dec 2009 11:22:36 -
***
*** 823,829 
  enable_depend
  enable_cassert
  enable_thread_safety
- enable_thread_safety_force
  with_tcl
  with_tclconfig
  with_perl
--- 823,828 
***
*** 1497,1505 
--enable-dtrace build with DTrace support
--enable-depend turn on automatic dependency tracking
--enable-cassertenable assertion checks (for debugging)
!   --enable-thread-safety  make client libraries thread-safe
!   --enable-thread-safety-force
!   force thread-safety despite thread test failure
--disable-float4-byval  disable float4 passed by value
--disable-float8-byval  disable float8 passed by value
--disable-largefile omit support for large files
--- 1496,1502 
--enable-dtrace build with DTrace support
--enable-depend turn on automatic dependency tracking
--enable-cassertenable assertion checks (for debugging)
!   --disable-thread-safety disable thread-safety in client libraries
--disable-float4-byval  disable float4 passed by value
--disable-float8-byval  disable float8 passed by value
--disable-largefile omit support for large files
***
*** 4859,4892 
  #
  { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: checking allow thread-safe client libraries 5
  $as_echo_n checking allow thread-safe client libraries...  6; }
- if test $PORTNAME != win32; then
- 
- 
- # Check whether --enable-thread-safety was given.
- if test ${enable_thread_safety+set} = set; then
-   enableval=$enable_thread_safety;
-   case $enableval in
- yes)
-   :
-   ;;
- no)
-   :
-   ;;
- *)
-   { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety option 5
- $as_echo $as_me: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety option 2;}
-{ (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
-   ;;
-   esac
- 
- else
-   enable_thread_safety=no
- 
- fi
- 
- 
- else
- # Win32 should always use threads
  
  
  # Check whether --enable-thread-safety was given.
--- 4856,4861 
***
*** 4912,4953 
  fi
  
  
- fi
- 
- 
- 
- # Check whether --enable-thread-safety-force was given.
- if test ${enable_thread_safety_force+set} = set; then
-   enableval=$enable_thread_safety_force;
-   case $enableval in
- yes)
-   :
-   ;;
- no)
-   :
-   ;;
- *)
-   { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety-force option 5
- $as_echo $as_me: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety-force option 2;}
-{ (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
-   ;;
-   esac
- 
- else
-   enable_thread_safety_force=no
- 
- fi
- 
- 
- if test $enable_thread_safety = yes -o \
- $enable_thread_safety_force = yes; then
-   enable_thread_safety=yes	# for 'force'
- 
- cat confdefs.h \_ACEOF
- #define ENABLE_THREAD_SAFETY 1
- _ACEOF
- 
- fi
  { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: result: $enable_thread_safety 5
  $as_echo $enable_thread_safety 6; }
  
--- 4881,4886 
***
*** 21316,21325 
  if test $PTHREAD_CC != $CC; then
  { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error:
  PostgreSQL does not support platforms that require a special compiler
! for thread safety. 5
  $as_echo $as_me: error:
  PostgreSQL does not support platforms that require a special compiler
! for thread safety. 2;}
 { (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
  fi
  
--- 21249,21258 
  if test $PTHREAD_CC != $CC; then
  { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error:
  PostgreSQL does not support platforms that require a special compiler
! for thread safety;  use --disable-thread-safety to disable thread safety. 5
  $as_echo $as_me: error:
  PostgreSQL does not support platforms that require a special compiler
! for thread safety;  use --disable-thread-safety to disable thread safety. 2;}
 { (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
  fi
  
***
*** 21465,21472 
  if test x$ac_cv_header_pthread_h = xyes; then
:
  else
!   { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error: pthread.h not found, required for --enable-thread-safety 5
! $as_echo $as_me: error: pthread.h not found, required for --enable-thread-safety 

Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-12-01 Thread Magnus Hagander
2009/12/1 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us:
 Peter Eisentraut wrote:
 On m?n, 2009-11-30 at 12:21 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
  ! for thread safety;  use --disable-thread-safety to disable
  threading.])

 --disable-thread-safety does not disable threading, it disables thread
 safety.

 Good point!  Patch updated and attached.

 What are we going to do for build farm members who don't support
 threading?  Is someone going to manually update their configure flags?

Yeah, I think so.

Unless there's a whole lot of them, in which case we revert the patch.

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
 2009/12/1 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us:
 What are we going to do for build farm members who don't support
 threading?  Is someone going to manually update their configure flags?

 Yeah, I think so.

 Unless there's a whole lot of them, in which case we revert the patch.

It would seem like we ought to try the one-liner patch Magnus proposed
(ie flip the default) and see what the effects are, before we go with
the much larger patch Bruce wrote.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-12-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote:
 Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
  2009/12/1 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us:
  What are we going to do for build farm members who don't support
  threading? ?Is someone going to manually update their configure flags?
 
  Yeah, I think so.
 
  Unless there's a whole lot of them, in which case we revert the patch.
 
 It would seem like we ought to try the one-liner patch Magnus proposed
 (ie flip the default) and see what the effects are, before we go with
 the much larger patch Bruce wrote.

OK, done --- let the breakage begin.  (I will be monitoring the build
farm and will work with Andrew Dunstan on any issues.)

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Magnus Hagander wrote:
 2009/11/24 Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us:
  Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
  ISTM that it should be as simple as the attached patch. Seems to work
  for me :-) But I'm no autoconf guru, so maybe I missed something?
 
  This patch sort of begs the question what about 
  enable-thread-safety-force?
  That looks even more like a wart now than it did before.
 
 Agreed. But how about we try it piece-by-piece, which is we start with
 this to see if it actually hits any of our bf platforms?

Attached is a complete patch to enable threading of client libraries by
default --- I think it is time (threading was added to PG 7.4 in 2003). 
I think we can guarantee that this will turn some build farm members
red.  How do we pass --disable-thread-safety to those hosts?

The patch also removes --enable-thread-safety-force, which was added in
2004 for a platform that didn't have a thread-safe getpwuid():

http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2004-07/msg00485.php

I think we can just tell people they have to upgrade their operating
systems if they want threading on those old platforms (or wait for
complaints).

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Index: configure
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/pgsql/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.659
diff -c -c -r1.659 configure
*** configure	30 Nov 2009 16:50:37 -	1.659
--- configure	30 Nov 2009 17:12:22 -
***
*** 823,829 
  enable_depend
  enable_cassert
  enable_thread_safety
- enable_thread_safety_force
  with_tcl
  with_tclconfig
  with_perl
--- 823,828 
***
*** 1497,1505 
--enable-dtrace build with DTrace support
--enable-depend turn on automatic dependency tracking
--enable-cassertenable assertion checks (for debugging)
!   --enable-thread-safety  make client libraries thread-safe
!   --enable-thread-safety-force
!   force thread-safety despite thread test failure
--disable-float4-byval  disable float4 passed by value
--disable-float8-byval  disable float8 passed by value
--disable-largefile omit support for large files
--- 1496,1502 
--enable-dtrace build with DTrace support
--enable-depend turn on automatic dependency tracking
--enable-cassertenable assertion checks (for debugging)
!   --disable-thread-safety make client libraries thread-safe
--disable-float4-byval  disable float4 passed by value
--disable-float8-byval  disable float8 passed by value
--disable-largefile omit support for large files
***
*** 4859,4892 
  #
  { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: checking allow thread-safe client libraries 5
  $as_echo_n checking allow thread-safe client libraries...  6; }
- if test $PORTNAME != win32; then
- 
- 
- # Check whether --enable-thread-safety was given.
- if test ${enable_thread_safety+set} = set; then
-   enableval=$enable_thread_safety;
-   case $enableval in
- yes)
-   :
-   ;;
- no)
-   :
-   ;;
- *)
-   { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety option 5
- $as_echo $as_me: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety option 2;}
-{ (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
-   ;;
-   esac
- 
- else
-   enable_thread_safety=no
- 
- fi
- 
- 
- else
- # Win32 should always use threads
  
  
  # Check whether --enable-thread-safety was given.
--- 4856,4861 
***
*** 4912,4953 
  fi
  
  
- fi
- 
- 
- 
- # Check whether --enable-thread-safety-force was given.
- if test ${enable_thread_safety_force+set} = set; then
-   enableval=$enable_thread_safety_force;
-   case $enableval in
- yes)
-   :
-   ;;
- no)
-   :
-   ;;
- *)
-   { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety-force option 5
- $as_echo $as_me: error: no argument expected for --enable-thread-safety-force option 2;}
-{ (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
-   ;;
-   esac
- 
- else
-   enable_thread_safety_force=no
- 
- fi
- 
- 
- if test $enable_thread_safety = yes -o \
- $enable_thread_safety_force = yes; then
-   enable_thread_safety=yes	# for 'force'
- 
- cat confdefs.h \_ACEOF
- #define ENABLE_THREAD_SAFETY 1
- _ACEOF
- 
- fi
  { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: result: $enable_thread_safety 5
  $as_echo $enable_thread_safety 6; }
  
--- 4881,4886 
***
*** 21316,21325 
  if test $PTHREAD_CC != $CC; then
  { { $as_echo $as_me:$LINENO: error:
  PostgreSQL does not support platforms that require a special compiler
! for thread safety. 5
  $as_echo $as_me: error:
  PostgreSQL does not support platforms that require a special compiler
! for thread safety. 2;}
 { (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
  fi
  
--- 

Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2009-11-30 at 12:21 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
 ! for thread safety;  use --disable-thread-safety to disable
 threading.])

--disable-thread-safety does not disable threading, it disables thread
safety.


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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-25 Thread Magnus Hagander
2009/11/24 Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us:
 Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
 ISTM that it should be as simple as the attached patch. Seems to work
 for me :-) But I'm no autoconf guru, so maybe I missed something?

 This patch sort of begs the question what about enable-thread-safety-force?
 That looks even more like a wart now than it did before.

Agreed. But how about we try it piece-by-piece, which is we start with
this to see if it actually hits any of our bf platforms?


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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-24 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 08:29, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote:
 2009/11/20 Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net:
 On fre, 2009-11-20 at 08:39 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
 2009/11/20 Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net:
  On fre, 2009-11-20 at 02:41 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
  Is there any actual reason why we are building without thread safety
  by default on most platforms?
 
  Consistent defaults on all platforms?

 So why do we have largefile enabled by default? And zlib? And readline?

 Let me be more verbose:  I would assume that we want the configure
 defaults to be the same on all platforms.  We fail by default, for
 example, if zlib and readline are not there, but you can turn them off
 explicitly.  If we turn thread-safety on by default, we will/should fail
 if thread-safety is not supported, requiring the user to turn it off
 explicitly.

 Yes, of course. Silently turning it off would be a really really bad idea.

 If enough platforms don't support thread-safety, this could
 become annoying.

 Agreed.


 I don't have a good overview over how many platforms would be affected,
 and I could in general support changing the default, but I'm just laying
 down one possible constraint.

 Well, the buildfarm would tell us that, no? :)

ISTM that it should be as simple as the attached patch. Seems to work
for me :-) But I'm no autoconf guru, so maybe I missed something?
Comments? If not, how about we put this on HEAD and let the buildfarm
tell us how bad an idea it was?


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*** a/configure.in
--- b/configure.in
***
*** 558,569  IFS=$ac_save_IFS
  # Enable thread-safe client libraries
  #
  AC_MSG_CHECKING([allow thread-safe client libraries])
- if test $PORTNAME != win32; then
- PGAC_ARG_BOOL(enable, thread-safety, no, [make client libraries thread-safe])
- else
- # Win32 should always use threads
  PGAC_ARG_BOOL(enable, thread-safety, yes, [make client libraries thread-safe])
- fi
  
  PGAC_ARG_BOOL(enable, thread-safety-force, no, [force thread-safety despite thread test failure])
  if test $enable_thread_safety = yes -o \
--- 558,564 

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-24 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
 ISTM that it should be as simple as the attached patch. Seems to work
 for me :-) But I'm no autoconf guru, so maybe I missed something?

This patch sort of begs the question what about enable-thread-safety-force?
That looks even more like a wart now than it did before.

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-20 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On fre, 2009-11-20 at 08:39 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
 2009/11/20 Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net:
  On fre, 2009-11-20 at 02:41 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
  Is there any actual reason why we are building without thread safety
  by default on most platforms?
 
  Consistent defaults on all platforms?
 
 So why do we have largefile enabled by default? And zlib? And readline?

Let me be more verbose:  I would assume that we want the configure
defaults to be the same on all platforms.  We fail by default, for
example, if zlib and readline are not there, but you can turn them off
explicitly.  If we turn thread-safety on by default, we will/should fail
if thread-safety is not supported, requiring the user to turn it off
explicitly.  If enough platforms don't support thread-safety, this could
become annoying.

I don't have a good overview over how many platforms would be affected,
and I could in general support changing the default, but I'm just laying
down one possible constraint.


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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Smith

Peter Eisentraut wrote:

I don't have a good overview over how many platforms would be affected
  
The anniversary of this thread is a few days early:  
http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/492ea404.5080...@esilo.com


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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-20 Thread Andrew Dunstan



Peter Eisentraut wrote:


Let me be more verbose:  I would assume that we want the configure
defaults to be the same on all platforms.  We fail by default, for
example, if zlib and readline are not there, but you can turn them off
explicitly.  If we turn thread-safety on by default, we will/should fail
if thread-safety is not supported, requiring the user to turn it off
explicitly.  If enough platforms don't support thread-safety, this could
become annoying.

I don't have a good overview over how many platforms would be affected,
and I could in general support changing the default, but I'm just laying
down one possible constraint.

  


Well, if we turn it on by default maybe the buildfarm will tell us who 
the major culprits are :-)


cheers

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-20 Thread Magnus Hagander
2009/11/20 Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net:
 On fre, 2009-11-20 at 08:39 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
 2009/11/20 Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net:
  On fre, 2009-11-20 at 02:41 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
  Is there any actual reason why we are building without thread safety
  by default on most platforms?
 
  Consistent defaults on all platforms?

 So why do we have largefile enabled by default? And zlib? And readline?

 Let me be more verbose:  I would assume that we want the configure
 defaults to be the same on all platforms.  We fail by default, for
 example, if zlib and readline are not there, but you can turn them off
 explicitly.  If we turn thread-safety on by default, we will/should fail
 if thread-safety is not supported, requiring the user to turn it off
 explicitly.

Yes, of course. Silently turning it off would be a really really bad idea.

 If enough platforms don't support thread-safety, this could
 become annoying.

Agreed.


 I don't have a good overview over how many platforms would be affected,
 and I could in general support changing the default, but I'm just laying
 down one possible constraint.

Well, the buildfarm would tell us that, no? :)


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[HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-19 Thread Magnus Hagander
Is there any actual reason why we are building without thread safety
by default on most platforms? Seems I get asked that every time
somebody forgets to add a --enable-thread-safety. Wouldn't it be
more logical to have that be the default, and provide
--disable-thread-safety if there are platforms that still don't
support it?

AFAIK pretty much all binary packages will do it by default, but it's
easy to forget when building from source

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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-19 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On fre, 2009-11-20 at 02:41 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
 Is there any actual reason why we are building without thread safety
 by default on most platforms?

Consistent defaults on all platforms?



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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-19 Thread Magnus Hagander
2009/11/20 Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net:
 On fre, 2009-11-20 at 02:41 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
 Is there any actual reason why we are building without thread safety
 by default on most platforms?

 Consistent defaults on all platforms?

So why do we have largefile enabled by default? And zlib? And readline?


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Re: [HACKERS] enable-thread-safety defaults?

2009-11-19 Thread Greg Stark
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote:
 2009/11/20 Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net:
 On fre, 2009-11-20 at 02:41 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
 Is there any actual reason why we are building without thread safety
 by default on most platforms?

 Consistent defaults on all platforms?

 So why do we have largefile enabled by default? And zlib? And readline?

Well those things are user interface options. They don't change the libpq api.

However given that distributions set this option I don't see much
point in worrying about the api being inconsistent. I agree that
having libpq being thread-safe would be a sensible default.


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