ready to
publish the code, which hopefully will be clearer than my words ;)
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sitive to skews on the order of a few minutes --- those
>> are extremely common.
>
> I not infrequently receive messages out of sequence by time periods
> well in excess of a few minutes.
>
> Don't know why, but I do.
Quite often, it's stuck in the moderation queue.
N
. I'm just concerned about the threading not
being sensitive to skews on the order of a few minutes --- those
are extremely common.
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t show up out of
> "logical" sequence in the archive doesn't seem like a terrible
> reflection of reality. I'm just concerned about the threading not
> being sensitive to skews on the order of a few minutes --- those
> are extremely common.
I not infreq
> * B's reply to list is delayed by greylisting
> * A replies to B's reply (cc'ing list)
> * A's reply goes through immediately
> * B's reply shows up a bit later
>
> That happens pretty frequently IME.
Yeah - and sometimes the
list)
* A's reply goes through immediately
* B's reply shows up a bit later
That happens pretty frequently IME.
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nario. And even without that, email taking
different time to get delivered to majordomo is not at all uncomoon.
> I'll be out of town for a few days, but I will see what I can do when I get
> back.
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to use SMTP with a subscription as the primary way
(and we could set up a dedicated relaying from the mailserver for this
of course, so it's not subject to graylisting or anything like that),
and then daily or so load the MBOX files to cover anything that was
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which seems a bit fragile. It's been ages since I last set up majordomo,
but I guess there should be a way to also pipe outgoing messages through
a script that performs the delivery to AOX.
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Maybe it was just delayed?
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Well, it doesn't matter what type of repo it's in at this point, only
once it goes into production. The reason I suggested git at this point
is that we (the postgresql project) do provide git hosting at
git.postgresql.org, but we don't provide subversion anywhere. And I'm
certainly not going to suggest you use pgfoundry and cvs
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poor, or at least that was my impression. I think it won't be a problem
to move to git, I probably just need some directions ;)
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t think it should live in the official repo, but if you
> think id does, I'll be glad to switch.
Note that the plan is to switch pgweb to git as well. So if you just
want to push the stuff up during development so people can look at it,
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On 01/30/2010 01:14 PM, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
> Matteo Beccati writes:
>> I've been following the various suggestions. Please take a look at the
>> updated archives proof of concept:
>>
>> http://archives.beccati.org/
>
> I like the features a lot, and the only remarks I can think about are
> b
the web team when they integrate it. It
sure looks like a when rather than an if as far as I'm concerned.
In short, +1! And thanks a lot!
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e code, it doesn't
matter if it's a dedicated templating engine or PHP. The point being,
focus on the contents and interface, porting the actual
HTML-generation is likely to be easy compared to that.
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layout part.
By default symfony uses plain PHP files as templates, but some plugins
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days" there somewhere may make sense, but arbitrarily splitting at the
1st of each month doesn't follow the flow of discussions very well.
I think the first step has to be to figure out how we'd like it
presented. Only after that should we consider how to implement it to
get fast
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index scan. But I'm happy to examine other alternatives too.
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production (symfony/php vs django/python).
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month boundary is artificial, so maybe having a X
messages per page instead would be better?
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x27;d be all over this
:-) But we really need to complete that before we put anything new in
production here.
What I'd like to see is one that integrates with our general layouts.
Also, I tink one of the main issues with the archives today that
people bring up is the inability to have t
efaults (I did lower them following some tuning guide) and
that seems to have fixed the problem.
My question now is... what next? :)
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n't suffer from that problem anymore, but I've
able to reproduce the issue with a few days old backup running on a test
8.5alpha3 instance that still has a stock postgresql.conf.
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> and led me to forcibly disable merge joins inside the application when
> executing it. Plans are attached.
Sorry, not from me, still a CTE noob.
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-> Index Scan using arc_messages_mailbox_parent_id_key on
arc_messages a (cost=0.00..1.82 rows=1 width=94) (actual time=0.005..0.006
rows=1 loops=1428)
Index Cond: ((a.mailbox = t.mailbox) AND (a.parent_uid =
t.uid))
-> CTE Scan on t (cost=0.00..6.59 rows
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ake something that's useful.
2) don't be constrained by the fact that we have two ways to view it
now (thread + date). we can easily do three, if different people like
different ways. As long as it's not so much it becomes a maintenance
burden
3) Remember to run your tests with lo
indexes sort is the other way around, with newer posts/threads at
the bottom. Again I'll give it a try as soon as I find time to work
again on it.
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solve this without a sweat, as it looks easier than sudoku-solving,
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>>> Seems to be right on tracks, that said :)
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>> Matteo - Can you try loading up a lot more of the old mbox files,
>> particularly the very early ones from -hackers? It would be good to
>> see how it copes under load with a few hundred
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FROM t JOIN arc_messages a USING (mailbox)
WHERE t.uid = a.parent_uid
) SELECT * FROM t ORDER BY idx
Any improvements to sorting are welcome :)
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email has attachments.
>
> Please check the updated PoC: http://archives.beccati.org/
Looks pretty good, even if some thread are still separated (this one for
example), and the ordering looks strange.
Seems to be right on tracks, that said :)
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BTW, I've just noticed a bug in the attachment detection giving false
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I'm looking into it. The link I've previously sent will most likely
return a 500 error for the time being.
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To make
show how to use CTEs, ltree, etc to get threaded views, good FTS support
> (with indexes and triggers managing them), etc.
+1.
I just didn't understand how much your proposal fit into current work :)
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* Dimitri Fontaine [100112 16:28]:
> > 1) A nice normalized DB schema representing mail messages and their
> >relations to other message and "recipients" (or "folders")
>
> We're now hoping that this one will fit:
>
> http://www.archiveopteryx.org/schema
Yup, and it provides a lot more t
(for quick threading/folder queries)
> 5) expression indexes
And Tsearch, too, maybe. Oh and pg_trgm might be quite good at providing
suggestion as you type or "Did you mean?" stuff.
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end up customizing the
parser/backend. That's the road to unmaintainability.
Sure. I guess my wording wasn't right... I was more thinking about
adding new tables, materialized views or whatever else might be missing
to make it fit out purpose.
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I'll note that the whole idea of a "email archive" interface might be a
very good "advocacy" project as well. AOX might not be a perfect fit,
but it could be a good learning experience... Really, all the PG mail
archives need is:
1) A nice normalized DB schema representing mail messages and thei
sk.
>
> With all that said, I can't promise anything as it all depends on how much
> spare time I have, but I can proceed with the evaluation if you think it's
> useful. I have a feeling that AOX is not truly the right tool for the job,
> but we might be able to cus
a poc, and it was less than 30 minutes of
hacking. Can't seem to find the script ATM though, but you get the
idea.
Let's not focus on that part, we can easily solve that.
Agreed. That's the part that worries me less.
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there any other requirements that weren't specified?
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hat kind of redirect thing on top of
the search code once just as a poc, and it was less than 30 minutes of
hacking. Can't seem to find the script ATM though, but you get the
idea.
Let's not focus on that part, we can easily solve that.
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ay my point is that Dave's first two
> requirements are real. Only the third might not be.)
The third actually isn't actually that hard to do in theory. The
message numbers are basically the zero-based position in the mbox
file, and the rest of the URL is obvious.
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oses.
(Hmm, re-reading what you said, maybe we are suggesting the same thing,
but it's not clear. Anyway my point is that Dave's first two
requirements are real. Only the third might not be.)
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m, this may actually be a feature, because it will make it easier
to integrate with our other website stuff. If it's very low level and
leaves too much to work, well, then it's the opposite of course :-)
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> In that compat.php script you then issue the following query or the like
> to get the message_id, then use the newer infrastructure to get to
> display it:
>
> SELECT message_id
> FROM monharc_compat
> WHERE list = ? and year = ? and month = ? and message_number = ?;
he message_id, then use the newer infrastructure to get to
display it:
SELECT message_id
FROM monharc_compat
WHERE list = ? and year = ? and month = ? and message_number = ?;
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made trying to learn how to use
symfony this afternoon. It's not feature complete, nor probably very
scalable, but at least it features attachment download ;)
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why I haven't been active on the pg lists for a while.)
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ompany baking the development is dead, but the
developpers are still working on the product on their spare time. New
release ahead.
They're not working on the archive UI part.
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(yes, this is why it doesn't scale)
*search* is in a postgresql database, but it doesn't contain the
entire messages - doesn't have attachments for examples - only the
parts it has web-scraped off the the current archives.
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ils and attachements? It that's the case the missing piece would be to
plug a browsing UI atop of that, right?
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> As for AOX, my understanding is that it is no longer maintained, so
> I'd be worried about choosing such a solution for a complex problem.
> But it's open for discussion.
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shortage of spare time which ruins you the most as
the lack of energy when you do have this little precious resource
again, very few piece of it atime.
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like.
As for AOX, my understanding is that it is no longer maintained, so
I'd be worried about choosing such a solution for a complex problem.
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I'll be probably away for (at least) a week when she does; and I'll
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much time is allocated to this, the solution research and migration
would have to fit in there I suppose. Same as pgfoundry. But still,
should we talk about it?
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cause it would
make the patch not display inline in many MUAs (again, like mine).
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sking anyone who might be interested to help review the plperl feature
patch and encouraging them to contribute to the commitfest review
process for other patches. It's important that it's *very* easy for
these new-comers to follow simple instructions to get involved.
I was hoping to be a
sed to be present, but it got
broken (I think) at the same time that the anti-email-harvesting measure
got broken. I'm going to look at that next.
Let me know if you find something broken with this style of link.
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b pages,
> especially when it will be horribly line wrapped etc. Can we stop
> this happening somehow?
Try this
http://archives.postgresql.org/msgtxt.php?id=20100108124613.gl2...@timac.local
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etc. Can we stop this
happening somehow?
cheers
andrew
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>> Robert,
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Josh Berkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> > Interesting, seems pghackers dropped me from the list, so I missed
> > several messages in the thread.
>
> Huh. I thougth this was just my full mailbox ...
Robert,
> Interesting, seems pghackers dropped me from the list, so I missed
> several messages in the thread.
Huh. I thougth this was just my full mailbox ... I missed all of the
messages this weekend. Who else got nailed?
Marc?
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
I have no messages since yesterday evening. Any problems with
mailing list ?
Not that I've seen ... been alot of posts going back and forth ... and
yours definitely went through ...
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http:/
I have no messages since yesterday evening. Any problems with
mailing list ?
Regards,
Oleg
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Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow Universi
There, that should do it ...
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
I just enabled teh RFC2369 stuff, which adds 'List-*' headers to the message
... apparently, that overrides the X-Mailing-List setting ...
What you want to check for is:
List-ID:
instead ... I'm going to look at ge
I just enabled teh RFC2369 stuff, which adds 'List-*' headers to the
message ... apparently, that overrides the X-Mailing-List setting ...
What you want to check for is:
List-ID:
instead ... I'm going to look at getting X-Mailing-List added back in
though ...
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, D'Arcy
This list and all the other PostgreSQL lists suddenly started showing up
in my main mailbox instead of being sorted into my PG mailing list
folder. It turns out that the X-Mailing-List header that used to appear
in all messages has disappeared. Is this permanent or just a
misconfiguration that ca
It seems that the Hackers list isn't in the list to
subscribe/unsubscribe at http://developer.postgresql.org/mailsub.php
Just an FYI.
-Mitch
Computers are like Air Conditioners, they don't work when you open
Windows.
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OK. Here is a test posting to hackers and Ccing to Marc
Oleg
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> ah, then that's gotta be it ... can you do me a favor and email
> pgsql-hackers a simple test, so that I can get the email out of hte
> approved messages and show you what I'm se
...
> Let me disable the administrative stuff being blocked and we'll see if it
> makes much of a difference in the way of 'false traffic' ...
Great! Thanks Marc.
- Thomas
Uh, just to confirm: you are removing administrative blocks, and also
removing any scanning of messages f
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > Thomas Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > imho we should disable *any* special handling of posts to the mailing
> > > lists.
> >
> > It would be interesting to try that for awhile and see if the cure is
> > worse than th
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
> Thomas Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > imho we should disable *any* special handling of posts to the mailing
> > lists.
>
> It would be interesting to try that for awhile and see if the cure is
> worse than the disease or not. How many clueless "un
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Thomas Lockhart wrote:
> Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > >
> > > > checking the moderator-to-approve listing for you, here are the reason(s):
> > > >
> > > > Reason: GLOBAL ADMIN HEADER: /^subjec
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
> 2. Shouldn't the filter patterns be tightened up considerably? For
> example, I consider it sheer folly that I cannot use the word "c*ncel"
> in a Postgres discussion group without my posting being held up for
> several days.
I was wondering if we could i
Thomas Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> imho we should disable *any* special handling of posts to the mailing
> lists.
It would be interesting to try that for awhile and see if the cure is
worse than the disease or not. How many clueless "uns*bscr*be" requests
will hit the lists if there a
> > > The fact this is done silently is clearly unacceptable.
> > Agreed. Curiously, though, I've always gotten notifications whenever
> > any of my messages got held up for moderator approval. Seems like there
> > are two questions for Marc here:
> > 1. Why is the system failing to notify some
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