Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-13 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
At Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:42:39 +0900 (Tokyo Standard Time), Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote in <20170913.174239.25978735.horiguchi.kyot...@lab.ntt.co.jp> > filterdiff seems to did something wrong.. # to did... The patch is broken by filterdiff so I send a new patch made directly by git format-patch. I c

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-13 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
At Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:05:31 +1200, Thomas Munro wrote in > It doesn't compile for me, because your patch removed the definition > of HEAP_INSERT_SKIP_WAL but hasn't removed that reference to it. > > I'm not sure what happened. Is it possible that your patch was not > created by diffing again

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-13 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > The CF status of this patch turned into "Waiting on Author" by > automated CI checking. I object to automated turning of patches to waiting on author by machinery. Sending occasional reminder messages to authors making them know about outdated patches seems acceptable

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-12 Thread Thomas Munro
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > The CF status of this patch turned into "Waiting on Author" by > automated CI checking. However, I still don't get any error even > on the current master (69835bc) after make distclean. Also I > don't see any difference between the "probl

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-12 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Hello, (does this seem to be a top post?) The CF status of this patch turned into "Waiting on Author" by automated CI checking. However, I still don't get any error even on the current master (69835bc) after make distclean. Also I don't see any difference between the "problematic" patch and my wor

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-11 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Hello, At Fri, 08 Sep 2017 16:30:01 +0900 (Tokyo Standard Time), Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote in <20170908.163001.53230385.horiguchi.kyot...@lab.ntt.co.jp> > > >> 2017-04-13 12:11:27.065 JST [85441] t/102_vacuumdb_stages.pl > > >> STATEMENT: ANALYZE; > > >> 2017-04-13 12:12:25.766 JST [85492] LOG:

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-08 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Thank you for your notification. At Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:05:01 +0200, Daniel Gustafsson wrote in > > On 13 Apr 2017, at 11:42, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > > wrote: > > > > At Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:52:40 +0900, Michael Paquier > > wrote in > > > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI >

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-09-05 Thread Daniel Gustafsson
> On 13 Apr 2017, at 11:42, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > wrote: > > At Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:52:40 +0900, Michael Paquier > wrote in > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI >> wrote: >>> Sorry, what I have just sent was broken. >> >> You can use PROVE_TESTS when running make check to

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-13 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
At Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:52:40 +0900, Michael Paquier wrote in > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > wrote: > > Sorry, what I have just sent was broken. > > You can use PROVE_TESTS when running make check to select a subset of > tests you want to run. I use that all the time whe

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-12 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
I'd like to put a supplimentary explanation. At Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:38:12 +0900 (Tokyo Standard Time), Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote in <20170411.173812.133964522.horiguchi.kyot...@lab.ntt.co.jp> > Sorry, what I have just sent was broken. > > At Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:33:41 +0900 (Tokyo Standard Time),

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-12 Thread Michael Paquier
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > Sorry, what I have just sent was broken. You can use PROVE_TESTS when running make check to select a subset of tests you want to run. I use that all the time when working on patches dedicated to certain code paths. >> - Relation has new

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-11 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Sorry, what I have just sent was broken. At Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:33:41 +0900 (Tokyo Standard Time), Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote in <20170411.173341.257028732.horiguchi.kyot...@lab.ntt.co.jp> > At Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:56:06 +0900 (Tokyo Standard Time), Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > wrote in > <20170411.09560

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-11 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
At Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:56:06 +0900 (Tokyo Standard Time), Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote in <20170411.095606.245908357.horiguchi.kyot...@lab.ntt.co.jp> > Hello, thank you for looking this. > > At Fri, 07 Apr 2017 20:38:35 -0400, Tom Lane wrote in > <27309.1491611...@sss.pgh.pa.us> > > Alvaro Herrera

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-10 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Hello, thank you for looking this. At Fri, 07 Apr 2017 20:38:35 -0400, Tom Lane wrote in <27309.1491611...@sss.pgh.pa.us> > Alvaro Herrera writes: > > Interesting. I wonder if it's possible that a relcache invalidation > > would cause these values to get lost for some reason, because that woul

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-07 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera writes: > Interesting. I wonder if it's possible that a relcache invalidation > would cause these values to get lost for some reason, because that would > be dangerous. > I suppose the rationale is that this shouldn't happen because any > operation that does things this way must h

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > I suppose the rationale is that this shouldn't happen because any > operation that does things this way must hold an exclusive lock on the > relation. But that doesn't guarantee that the relcache entry is > completely stable, does it? If we can get proof of that, then thi

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
I have claimed this patch as committer FWIW. -- Álvaro Herrerahttps://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://ww

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-04-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > The attached patch is quiiiccck-and-dirty-hack of Michael's patch > just as a PoC of my proposal quoted above. This also passes the > 006 test. The major changes are the following. > > - Moved sync_above and truncted_to into RelationData. Interesting. I wonder if it

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-03-01 Thread David Steele
On 1/30/17 11:33 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Haribabu Kommi > wrote: >> The latest proposed patch still having problems. >> Closed in 2016-11 commitfest with "moved to next CF" status because of a bug >> fix patch. >> Please feel free to update the status once you

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2017-01-30 Thread Michael Paquier
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Haribabu Kommi wrote: > The latest proposed patch still having problems. > Closed in 2016-11 commitfest with "moved to next CF" status because of a bug > fix patch. > Please feel free to update the status once you submit the updated patch. And moved to CF 2017-03..

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-12-01 Thread Haribabu Kommi
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Michael Paquier > wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Robert Haas > wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Heikki Linnakangas > wrote: > >>> I dropped the ball on this one back in July, so

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-11-08 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Robert Haas wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: >>> I dropped the ball on this one back in July, so here's an attempt to revive >>> this thread. >>> >>> I spent some time fixi

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-11-08 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: >> I dropped the ball on this one back in July, so here's an attempt to revive >> this thread. >> >> I spent some time fixing the remaining issues with the prototype patch I >> posted ea

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-11-08 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > I dropped the ball on this one back in July, so here's an attempt to revive > this thread. > > I spent some time fixing the remaining issues with the prototype patch I > posted earlier, and rebased that on top of current git master. See a

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-10-31 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Hi, At Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:43:46 +0900, Michael Paquier wrote in > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > At Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:59:55 +0900, Michael Paquier > > wrote in > > > >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > >> wrote: > >> >

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-10-02 Thread Michael Paquier
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > Hello, > > At Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:59:55 +0900, Michael Paquier > wrote in > >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI >> wrote: >> > Hello, I return to this before my things:) >> > >> > Though I haven't played with the p

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-09-29 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Hello, At Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:59:55 +0900, Michael Paquier wrote in > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > wrote: > > Hello, I return to this before my things:) > > > > Though I haven't played with the patch yet.. > > Be sure to run the test cases in the patch or base your tes

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-09-29 Thread Michael Paquier
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > Hello, I return to this before my things:) > > Though I haven't played with the patch yet.. Be sure to run the test cases in the patch or base your tests on them then! > Though I don't know how it actually impacts the perfomance, it > s

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-09-26 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Hello, I return to this before my things:) Though I haven't played with the patch yet.. At Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:54:42 +0900, Michael Paquier wrote in > > Well, not that soon at the end, but I am back on that... I have not > > completely reviewed all the code yet, and the case of index relation

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-07-29 Thread Michael Paquier
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Michael Paquier > wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Michael Paquier >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:11 AM, David Steele wrote: I would prefer not to bump it to the next CF unless we

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-07-28 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Michael Paquier > wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:11 AM, David Steele wrote: >>> I would prefer not to bump it to the next CF unless we decide this will >>> not get fixed for 9.6. >> >> It may make se

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-04-05 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:11 AM, David Steele wrote: >> I would prefer not to bump it to the next CF unless we decide this will >> not get fixed for 9.6. > > It may make sense to add that to the list of open items for 9.6 > instead. That

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-22 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:11 AM, David Steele wrote: > I would prefer not to bump it to the next CF unless we decide this will > not get fixed for 9.6. It may make sense to add that to the list of open items for 9.6 instead. That's not a feature. -- Michael -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-22 Thread David Steele
On 3/22/16 8:54 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Michael Paquier > wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:38 AM, David Steele wrote: >>> On 3/15/16 10:01 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: >>> Ok, I understand that this is not an issue in a hurry. I'll go to another

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-22 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:38 AM, David Steele wrote: >> On 3/15/16 10:01 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: >> >>> Ok, I understand that this is not an issue in a hurry. I'll go to >>> another patch that needs review. >> >> Since we're getting t

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-22 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:38 AM, David Steele wrote: > On 3/15/16 10:01 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > >> Ok, I understand that this is not an issue in a hurry. I'll go to >> another patch that needs review. > > Since we're getting towards the end of the CF is it time to pick this up > again? Per

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-22 Thread David Steele
On 3/15/16 10:01 PM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > Ok, I understand that this is not an issue in a hurry. I'll go to > another patch that needs review. Since we're getting towards the end of the CF is it time to pick this up again? Thanks, -- -David da...@pgmasters.net -- Sent via pgsql-hackers

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-15 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Thank you for the comment. I understand that this is not an issue in a hurry so don't bother to reply. At Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:21:34 +0100, Michael Paquier wrote in > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI > wrote: > > At Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:27:00 +0900, Michael Paquier > > wrote

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-15 Thread Michael Paquier
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Kyotaro HORIGUCHI wrote: > At Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:27:00 +0900, Michael Paquier > wrote in > >> > Worth noting that this patch does not address the problem with index >> > relations when a TRUNCATE is used in the same transaction as its > > Focusing this issue,

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-03-11 Thread Kyotaro HORIGUCHI
Hello, I considered on the original issue. At Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:27:00 +0900, Michael Paquier wrote in > > Worth noting that this patch does not address the problem with index > > relations when a TRUNCATE is used in the same transaction as its Focusing this issue, what we should do is someho

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-02-19 Thread Michael Paquier
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Michael Paquier > wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: >>> I dropped the ball on this one back in July, so here's an attempt to revive >>> this thread. >>> >>> I spent some t

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-02-18 Thread Michael Paquier
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: >> I dropped the ball on this one back in July, so here's an attempt to revive >> this thread. >> >> I spent some time fixing the remaining issues with the prototype patch I >> post

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-02-17 Thread Michael Paquier
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > I dropped the ball on this one back in July, so here's an attempt to revive > this thread. > > I spent some time fixing the remaining issues with the prototype patch I > posted earlier, and rebased that on top of current git master. See a

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2016-02-04 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On 22/10/15 03:56, Michael Paquier wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Thanks. For comparison, I wrote a patch to implement what I had in mind. When a WAL-skipping COPY begins, we add an entry for that relation in a "pending-fsyncs" hash t

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-10-21 Thread Michael Paquier
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > >> Thanks. For comparison, I wrote a patch to implement what I had in mind. >> >> When a WAL-skipping COPY begins, we add an entry for that relation in a >> "pending-fsyncs" hash table. Whenever we perform any ac

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-10-21 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > Thanks. For comparison, I wrote a patch to implement what I had in mind. > > When a WAL-skipping COPY begins, we add an entry for that relation in a > "pending-fsyncs" hash table. Whenever we perform any action on a heap that > would normally be WAL-logged, we check if

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-23 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On 07/23/2015 09:38 PM, Robert Haas wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: This is more invasive than I'd like to backpatch, but I think it's the simplest approach that works, and doesn't disable any of the important optimizations we have. Hmm, isn't HeapNeedsWAL(

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-23 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > > This is more invasive than I'd like to backpatch, but I think it's the > simplest approach that works, and doesn't disable any of the important > optimizations we have. Hmm, isn't HeapNeedsWAL() a lot more costly than RelationNeedsWA

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-23 Thread Simon Riggs
On 22 July 2015 at 17:21, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > > When a WAL-skipping COPY begins, we add an entry for that relation in a > "pending-fsyncs" hash table. Whenever we perform any action on a heap that > would normally be WAL-logged, we check if the relation is in the hash > table, and skip WA

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-22 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On 07/22/2015 11:18 AM, Simon Riggs wrote: On 10 July 2015 at 00:06, Tom Lane wrote: Andres Freund writes: On 2015-07-06 11:49:54 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Rather than reverting cab9a0656c36739f, which would re-introduce a different performance problem, perhaps we could have COPY create a new

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-22 Thread Simon Riggs
On 10 July 2015 at 00:06, Tom Lane wrote: > Andres Freund writes: > > On 2015-07-06 11:49:54 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > >> Rather than reverting cab9a0656c36739f, which would re-introduce a > >> different performance problem, perhaps we could have COPY create a new > >> relfilenode when it does th

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-21 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-21 21:37:41 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 02:24:47PM -0400, Todd A. Cook wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This thread seemed to trail off without a resolution. Was anything done? > > Not that I can tell. Heikki and I had some in-person conversation about it at

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-21 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 02:24:47PM -0400, Todd A. Cook wrote: > Hi, > > This thread seemed to trail off without a resolution. Was anything done? Not that I can tell. I was the original poster of this thread. We've worked around the issue by placing a CHECKPOINT command at the end of the migratio

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-21 Thread Todd A. Cook
Hi, This thread seemed to trail off without a resolution. Was anything done? (See more below.) On 07/09/15 19:06, Tom Lane wrote: Andres Freund writes: On 2015-07-06 11:49:54 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Rather than reverting cab9a0656c36739f, which would re-introduce a different performance prob

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-10 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-10 13:38:50 +0300, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > In the long-term, I'd like to refactor this whole thing so that we never > WAL-log any operations on a relation that's created in the same transaction > (when wal_level=minimal). Instead, at COMMIT, we'd fsync() the relation, or > if it's sm

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-10 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-10 19:23:28 +0900, Fujii Masao wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something. But I start wondering why TRUNCATE > and INSERT (or even all the operations on the table created at > the current transaction) need to be WAL-logged while COPY can be > optimized. If no WAL records are generated on that

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-10 Thread Fujii Masao
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > Fujii Masao writes: >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Tom Lane wrote: >>> One idea I had was to allow the COPY optimization only if the heap file is >>> physically zero-length at the time the COPY starts. > >> This seems not helpful for the ca

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-10 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-09 19:06:11 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > What evidence have you got to base that value judgement on? > > cab9a0656c36739f was based on an actual user complaint, so we have good > evidence that there are people out there who care about the cost of > truncating a table many times in one transa

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-10 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On 07/10/2015 02:06 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Andres Freund writes: On 2015-07-06 11:49:54 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Rather than reverting cab9a0656c36739f, which would re-introduce a different performance problem, perhaps we could have COPY create a new relfilenode when it does this. That should be s

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-09 Thread Tom Lane
Andres Freund writes: > On 2015-07-06 11:49:54 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >> Rather than reverting cab9a0656c36739f, which would re-introduce a >> different performance problem, perhaps we could have COPY create a new >> relfilenode when it does this. That should be safe if the table was >> previousl

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-09 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-06 11:49:54 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > One idea I had was to allow the COPY optimization only if the heap file is > physically zero-length at the time the COPY starts. That would still be > able to optimize in all the cases we care about making COPY fast for. > Rather than reverting cab9a

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-09 Thread Tom Lane
Fujii Masao writes: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Tom Lane wrote: >> One idea I had was to allow the COPY optimization only if the heap file is >> physically zero-length at the time the COPY starts. > This seems not helpful for the case where TRUNCATE is executed > before COPY. No? Huh? T

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-09 Thread Fujii Masao
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > Andres Freund writes: >> On 2015-07-06 11:14:40 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >>> The COUNT() correctly says 11 rows, but after crash-and-recover, >>> only the row with -1 is there. This is because the INSERT writes >>> out an INSERT+INIT WAL record, w

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-06 Thread Tom Lane
Andres Freund writes: > On 2015-07-06 11:14:40 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >> The COUNT() correctly says 11 rows, but after crash-and-recover, >> only the row with -1 is there. This is because the INSERT writes >> out an INSERT+INIT WAL record, which we happily replay, clobbering >> the data added lat

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-06 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-06 11:14:40 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > BEGIN; > CREATE TABLE test (i int primary key); > INSERT INTO test VALUES(-1); > \copy test from /tmp/num.csv with csv > COMMIT; > SELECT COUNT(*) FROM test; > > The COUNT() correctly says 11 rows, but after crash-and-recover, > only the row with -1

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-06 Thread Tom Lane
Fujii Masao writes: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Andres Freund wrote: >> We actually used to use a different relfilenode, but optimized that >> away: cab9a0656c36739f59277b34fea8ab9438395869 >> >> commit cab9a0656c36739f59277b34fea8ab9438395869 >> Author: Tom Lane >> Date: Sun Aug 23 19:

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-06 Thread Fujii Masao
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Andres Freund wrote: > On 2015-07-03 19:02:29 +0200, Andres Freund wrote: >> Maybe I'm just daft right now (35C outside, 32 inside, so ...), but I'm >> right now missing how the whole "skip wal logging if relation has just >> been truncated" optimization can ever ac

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-03 18:38:37 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > > Why exactly? The first truncation in the (sub)xact would have assigned a > new relfilenode, why do we need another one? The file in question will > go away on crash/rollback in any case, and no other transaction can see > it yet. Consider: BEGIN

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Andres Freund writes: > On 2015-07-03 19:26:05 +0200, Andres Freund wrote: >> commit cab9a0656c36739f59277b34fea8ab9438395869 >> Author: Tom Lane >> Date: Sun Aug 23 19:23:41 2009 + >> >> Make TRUNCATE do truncate-in-place when processing a relation that was >> created >> or previously tr

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-03 19:26:05 +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > On 2015-07-03 19:02:29 +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > > Maybe I'm just daft right now (35C outside, 32 inside, so ...), but I'm > > right now missing how the whole "skip wal logging if relation has just > > been truncated" optimization can ever ac

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Martijn van Oosterhout writes: > With inserts the WAL records look as follows (relfilenodes changed): > ... > And amazingly, the database cluster successfuly recovers and there's no > error now. So the problem is *only* because there is no data in the > table at commit time. Which indicates that

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 07:21:21PM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > On 2015-07-03 19:14:26 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > Am I missing something. ISTM that if the truncate record was simply not > > logged at all everything would work fine. The whole point is that the > > table was created in

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-03 19:02:29 +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > Maybe I'm just daft right now (35C outside, 32 inside, so ...), but I'm > right now missing how the whole "skip wal logging if relation has just > been truncated" optimization can ever actually be crashsafe unless we > use a new relfilenode (whic

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-03 19:14:26 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > Am I missing something. ISTM that if the truncate record was simply not > logged at all everything would work fine. The whole point is that the > table was created in this transaction and so if it exists the table on > disk must be the c

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 12:53:56PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Fujii Masao writes: > > Okay, so probably we need to change WAL replay of TRUNCATE so that > > the index file is truncated to one containing only meta page instead of > > empty one. That is, the WAL replay of TRUNCATE would need to call >

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-03 18:49:31 +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > But the more interesting question is why that's not hhappening > today. RelationTruncateIndexes() does call the index_build() which > should end up WAL logging the index creation. So that's because there's an XLogIsNeeded() preventing it. Maybe

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Fujii Masao writes: > Okay, so probably we need to change WAL replay of TRUNCATE so that > the index file is truncated to one containing only meta page instead of > empty one. That is, the WAL replay of TRUNCATE would need to call > index_build() after smgrtruncate() maybe. That seems completely

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Andres Freund
On 2015-07-04 01:39:42 +0900, Fujii Masao wrote: > Okay, so probably we need to change WAL replay of TRUNCATE so that > the index file is truncated to one containing only meta page instead of > empty one. That is, the WAL replay of TRUNCATE would need to call > index_build() after smgrtruncate() ma

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Fujii Masao
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Fujii Masao writes: >> The optimization of TRUNCATE opereation that we can use when >> CREATE TABLE and TRUNCATE are executed in the same transaction block >> seems to cause the problem. In this case, only index file truncation is >> logged, and

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Fujii Masao writes: > The optimization of TRUNCATE opereation that we can use when > CREATE TABLE and TRUNCATE are executed in the same transaction block > seems to cause the problem. In this case, only index file truncation is > logged, and index creation in btbuild() is not logged because wal_le

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-03 Thread Fujii Masao
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:34:44PM +0900, Fujii Masao wrote: >> > Hmm, for me it is 100% reproducable. Are you familiar with Docker? I >> > can probably construct a Dockerfile that reproduces it pretty reliably. >> >> I could reproduc

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-02 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:34:44PM +0900, Fujii Masao wrote: > > Hmm, for me it is 100% reproducable. Are you familiar with Docker? I > > can probably construct a Dockerfile that reproduces it pretty reliably. > > I could reproduce the problem in the master branch by doing > the following steps.

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-02 Thread Fujii Masao
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 12:21:02AM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2015-07-03 00:05:24 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: >> > === Start with an empty database >> >> My guess is you have wal_level = minimal? > > Default

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-02 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 12:21:02AM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > Hi, > > On 2015-07-03 00:05:24 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > === Start with an empty database > > My guess is you have wal_level = minimal? Default config, was just initdb'd. So yes, the default wal_level = minimal. > >

Re: [HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-02 Thread Andres Freund
Hi, On 2015-07-03 00:05:24 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > === Start with an empty database My guess is you have wal_level = minimal? > ctmp=# begin; > BEGIN > ctmp=# create table test(id serial primary key); > CREATE TABLE > ctmp=# truncate table test; > TRUNCATE TABLE > ctmp=# commit; >

[HACKERS] WAL logging problem in 9.4.3?

2015-07-02 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
Hoi, I ran into this in our CI setup and I thinks it's an actual bug. The issue appears to be that when a table is created *and truncated* in a single transaction, that the WAL log is logging a truncate record it shouldn't, such that if the database crashes you have a broken index. It would also l