to include one of these GUIs
with the source and not the others.
I do think that we should consider offering the GUIs alongside the source on
the FTP mirrors. Or at least having a big link on the downloads page and the
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are missing from the list?
B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed
any code since 7.1.0?
C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?
D) Who needs their description updated? (Text, please ... I won't write it)
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and then construct *views* which are available in each
schema only to that client. Otherwise, as you've discovered, top-level
management becomes a royal pain.
I'd be happy to discuss this further on PGSQL-SQL, which is really the
appropriate mailing list.
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Contributors to just
Contributors. We'd rather have a Past Contributors?
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Guys,
Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
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Tom,
Yeah. It was cute when we did it but it's overkill as a way of pointing
out that we have a worldwide development community. We can just say
that...
I'll be happy to re-do it someday using OOo's imagemapper. But not this week
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dudes.
Yeah, you're right,it's confusing we should have two seperate pages, one
for What is the PGDG possibly linking to developer., and one page for
Contact Us. As it is, they two are munged together.
The problem is getting it fixed before 7.4 there are 7 translations
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, but not come to a specific determination of
the level required. However, between you M LinuxWorld etc. your
company definitely qualifies.
And if we're gonna continue this thread, we should move it to -Advocacy.
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Peter,
I'm a bit lost here.
I was discussing specifically the Recognized Corporate Contributors which
is, AFAIK, strictly a PHB thing, no?
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Peter,
I was discussing specifically the Recognized Corporate Contributors
which
is, AFAIK, strictly a PHB thing, no?
No.
Please explain.
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is not there for you or for people like
you. It is there for IT department managers, PHBs, people considering
PostgreSQL, and people looking for high-end paid support.
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looking for high-end paid support.
Great, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.
I can't tell over e-mail whether you're agreeing with me or being sarcastic.
Clue?
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ambitions to be a PHB? ;-p
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will stay seperate becuase they're based on
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to ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new
web VM.
On techdocs? What part of that needs to be migrated?
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Tom,
Peter appeared to be asking how additional people could get involved.
Or do you *want* to keep the web group too small to get things done?
Ooops! Sorry, Peter, I *completely* mis-read your e-mail.
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the surveys, I want a Powered by PostgreSQL bug on them,
dammit. Those get 21,000 views a week.
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acceptably on other
people's Solaris boxes? If this bug is preventing running on Solaris at
all, I'd say fix it ... Solaris is a major platform. If it only affects
users of one particular Solaris patch version, then we do a big warning and
save it for 7.4.1.
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want
PostgreSQL to be the best possible database.
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it not on Windows. You
probably aren't faced with this issue as much in Germany, but it happens
often to us folks in the US Canada.
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is interested in PostgreSQL Advocacy
from whatever perspective, including if you want us to stop doing it. It's
an open list ... come join!
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more testing myself is external to
PostgreSQL; most of our apps are PHP apps and you can't compile PHP against
two different versions of PostgreSQL on the same server. Maybe with User
Mode Linux I'll be able to do more testing now.)
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are welcome to contact me.
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I will have real data very soon .
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threshold: 50 records
Analyze scale factor: 0.3
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it?
See my post to Matthew.
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it in production. Now that I do, I'm
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count of tuples or of dead
tuples; pg_class holds a reasonable accurate count of pages per table as of
last vacuum.
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, and update
after we issue a vacuum.
Even easier then.
BTW, do we have any provisions to avoid overlapping vacuums? That is, to
prevent a second vacuum on a table if an earlier one is still running?
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to finish.
OK, then, we just need to detect the condition of the vacuums piling up
because they are happening too often.
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the fruits of this effort.
From my perspective, the other oracle-killer that we're missing includes
some isolated but difficult improvements in the Query Planner necessary to
pass the TPC benchmarks. I'd be happy to discuss those as well, if you
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Josh, Hans, et. al.
Please take this thread OFF LIST IMMEDIATELY.
Its content is no longer appropriate for the Hackers mailing list, and we get
enough traffic. Flamewars are not a part of our community.
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Hans, Josh,
Please take this thread OFF LIST IMMEDIATELY.
Sorry. Not enough coffee this AM -- should know better than to send e-mail
when I'm short beans.
Overreacted a bit, there.Apologies.
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decoupled and won't be in the
forseable future, why bother with 2 variables?
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to:
a) recognize an or group query when it sees one;
b) break down that query into a multi-part union and estimate the cost
However, I'm sure there are other possible solutions. Oracle and MSSQL have
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; I copied UNION ALL from a test case which was not
generic. In general, one would want UNION.
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something other than what the planner currently does, which does not
complete.
Explains later today.
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to dismantling my office, and running the TPC stuff on my
laptop is a joke.
I'll contact the OSDL folks to see if they can run it.
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of choice: the multi-processor Xeon system.
Ideas, anyone?
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simultaneosly.
To me this can only make sense in case there is an other backend
trying to use the same memory, and it needs to be moved from 1
CPU to an other.
Yes. See above.
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Tom,
I've made some progress on this over the last week or two. Would it be
possible to retry that benchmark with CVS tip?
Yes! I'll just need some time to get my laptop set up for running it. My
server is, alas, in storage due to me being between offices.
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certainly better than not doing anything, particularly if it can be
turned off at startup time.
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on Advocacy. The
image and the reality don't sync much; we're already about 500% more reliable
than MS SQL Server but ask any ten CIOs what they think? That's just
marketing.
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crucial issue now since the introduction of vacuum_delay
makes overlapping vacuums more probable.
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vacuums yet. When tablespaces is
finished, presumably the lock would be per tablespace.
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Tom,
Yes we do: there's a lock.
Sorry, bad test. Forget I said anything.
Personally, I would like to have the 2nd vacuum error out instead of blocking.
However, I'll bet that a lot of people won't agree with me.
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the kinks in error-trapping via eval{}. This would be far more useful
that session variables.
Just a thought.
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access to the database, a break-in is only a matter of time
-- if through nothing else than password-guessing attacks.
I'm not sure such a paper is appropriate for the main docs. But it is
definitely appropriate for TechDocs.
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checked out Clusgres from Linux Labs? One of my clients will be
testing this application soon.
While we haven't run into transaction throughput limits, a couple of my
client's seem to be running in x86's limits on very large queries,
particularly on vendor hardware.
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Jenny,
For 19, we moved the common conditions out of the big ORs, for 20, we
added distinct. We can change the query back if the optimizer can
handle it now.
Well, we want to test if it can.
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Mark,
Oh sorry, I completely forgot that Q19 the whole purpose of this. So
#60 doesn't have the right Q19. I'll run with the one you want now.
Thanks! And the original, not the fixed, Q19 if you please. It's the
original that wouldn't finish on Postgres 7.3.
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to this by default with postgresql; I still prefer the
default abort transaction. What would be a much easier integration, IMHO,
is offering something like Perl's eval{ } that would allow for special
rollback conditions in an application-defined block.
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rather
have a single copy of a test case on our web site than a couple dozen being
e-mailed out.
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one expects occasional failures due
to load, one depends on the application log, the syslog and the transaction
log being in synch. Otherwise on restart one doesn't know what has or
hasn't been committed.
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it.
However, keep in mind that this is a proposal to *try* migrating to GForge.
We can reverse the process if we decide it's not worth it. That's why I'd
like to start with a few projects at a time.
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insofar as I have time.
Terrific!
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People,
The question is, do we need BZ right off or should we try GForge's lightweight
tool first?Personally I find that BZ is a little intimidating to new
users, particularly for searching on issues; as a result it tends to lead to
a lot of duplicate filings.
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BugZilla to GForge's lighter-weight bug
tracking, it turns out that there is a BZ plug-in for GForge.
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BZ or GForge; anyone know?
Usually it works the other way around; people can't subscribe until they've
registered via web.
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with the site. This may be a chicken-and-egg thing, but unless there are
several untapped Perl Hackers/Java programmers waiting to jump in and do
integration work for RT, Jira, or whatever, any non-PHP solution
automatically carries a detraction.
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on MySQL. So,
questions:
1) can you compare/contrast RT vs. BZ vs. Simplified bug-tracking, like
GForge?
2) What help, if any, would we be able to get in supporting RT from the RT
community?
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Mikhail,
For a standalone bug/issue tracking tool take a look on
http://roundup.sourceforge.net
I don't see PostgreSQL support listed -- just SQLite and MySQL.
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to current issue processing.
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there are
people offering to help us.
THIS JUST IN: as if we didn't have enough options, Talli of the OpenACS
community has offered their help with using OpenACS modules for any of the
web tasks we've discussed. More later.
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.
A revised summary will be fortcoming tommorrow.
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for law firms
. Seriously. I think that Slony should focus on a command-line api
and catalogs, and allow the existing GUI projects to build a slony-supporting
interface.
But I'll join the project and we can have this discussion there.
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in this department would be to extend the
multi-column correlation statistics to cover foriegn keys, as a way of
improving cross-table estimates.
Anyway, keep me in the loop on this, I have a lot of very complex databases I
can test such issues on.
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impossible to find anything in the archives if you don't have
some good keywords or at least the author. Is the autor reading this? Will
you speak up?
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possible I'm remembering something else.
Darn it, though! 'cause multi-column correlation is one of our big issues on
estimates for complex queries.
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anyway
If this proposal is worth considering, I will spend some time building up a
test case to demonstrate the cost and utility of the plan. With Neil's help,
of course!
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wanted to increase the default
stats but *forgot* that the index_stats were a multiplier ...
I think a straight number is less confusing.
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to find out which they would find more accessable. But since most people
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but will it really help or just be another useless setting?
Yeah, that's our next step, a test.
On Monday, I hope to have comparative stats for a difficult database on the 3
solutions (leaving things as-is, raising the general default stats, and doing
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. These columns will be ignored. Expressions have
their own stats.
Final thought... I'm a DBA and I think the straight number is simpler,
though
could be convinced to go with whichever is higher...
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, not including the http ...
To speak up, I'd rather have either options (A) or (B) thank this option.
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it a practice to hand-hold for database designers who
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Robert,
maybe pgsqlfoundry is a better compromise?
No, too long.People'd end up calling it pgFoundry anyway.
Besides, Gavin Roy already designed us a nice pgFoundry logo. ;-)
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but
isn't particularly important given the truly substantial number of external
OSS tools designed to handle the problem. You might consider educating your
customers about those tools instead -- several of which ship on the redhat
CDs, I believe.
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convince him to let us have
the domain. Is it worth asking?
Hmmm ... please let Core handle this.
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Tom,
Since we do already own pgfoundry.org, could we satisfy everybody by
dual-naming the project sites? That is, have both
project.pgfoundry.org
project.pgfoundry.postgresql.org
point to the same place?
Sounds good to me if it's doable via DNS.
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that this wouldn't
work with packages.
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Tom,
No, the default should be localhost. Your thinking is too
IPv4-centric.
Good point. My clients are all years away from implementing Ipv6, so I tend
to forget about it.
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Folks,
Last month, there was a discussion about deferring constraints that use
user-defined functions to the end of the pg_dump file, like we do with FK
constraints.Did this go anywhere, or is it still a TODO in search of an
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-constraint issues ... is to push all constraints containing a
user-defined function to the end of the file with the foriegn keys.
(this is for the Bricolage project)
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that is
the appropriate topic for a constraint.However, I can see how it would be
difficult to implement as one
What about table-level check constraints? Seems like one of those should be
able to be used to check a vertical assertion within a table. Or do we need
SQL ASSERTION for this?
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... they
want only active user names to be unique.
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Tom,
Oh, why didn't you say so? Seems like the correct tool to solve that is
a partial unique index, not a constraint at all.
Hmmm we support that?Darn, how do I miss these things. When did we
start supporting it? Bric still has a lot of users who use 7.2.
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hard-code it
if it's easier.
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of applicable lines in
pg_hba.conf would the user be rejected.
Any reason why this is a bad idea? It would improve the lives of a lot of
kerberos and SSL users who have to deal with flaky authentication issues.
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.We should be looking at a client utility,
like pg_import and pg_export. The primary purpose of COPY is bulk loads
for backup/restore, and I'm against doing a lot of tinkering which might make
it less efficient or introduce new issues into what's currently very
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. Why not just recruit a bunch of people on
PERFORMANCE and GENERAL to test the 4 different synch methods using real
databases? No test like reality, I say
2) Won't Jan's work on 7.5 memory and I/O management mean that we have to
re-evaluate synching anyway?
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