On Saturday 23 January 2010 16:19:11 Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Robert Treat wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't
downsides, but having a name the community can unify on is a definite
plus, and imho that name has to be Postgres.
Translation: we'll only be unified if everyone agrees with me.
Robert Treat wrote:
On Saturday 23 January 2010 16:19:11 Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Robert Treat wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't
downsides, but having a name the community can unify on is a definite
plus, and imho that name has to be Postgres.
Translation: we'll only be unified
I wrote:
I don't actually have a horse in this race, I can live with either name.
In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that I in fact
do have a horse in the race, although I wasn't thinking of it when I
wrote the above. As an officer in a corporation with PostgreSQL in
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
It's just as unclear whether MySQL is
to be pronounced my-se-quel or my-ess-cue-ell, but how many people have
you heard claiming that's a lousy name?
Actually the original promounciation was mee-ess-cue-ell, My is
monty's
On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Greg Stark wrote:
Actually the original promounciation was mee-ess-cue-ell, My is
monty's daughter's name and is pronounced like that. People generally
pronounced it my though so they just made that the official
pronounciation -- but they still don't approve of
David E. Wheeler írta:
On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Greg Stark wrote:
Actually the original promounciation was mee-ess-cue-ell, My is
monty's daughter's name and is pronounced like that. People generally
pronounced it my though so they just made that the official
pronounciation -- but
Boszormenyi Zoltan wrote:
How about PugSQL? It's kind of butch, keeps the pg part, and we could have
a dog logo.
IIRC, Pug is a little leprechaun in Shakespeare's Midsummer night's dream.
Another logo change opportunity. :-)
I think you've confused Puck and Snug. See
On Friday 22 January 2010 23:44:11 Tom Lane wrote:
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants
Robert Treat wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't
downsides, but having a name the community can unify on is a definite plus, and
imho that name has to be Postgres.
Translation: we'll only be unified if everyone agrees with me.
Sorry, that is quite clearly not going to happen.
Can we
2010/1/23 Robert Treat xzi...@users.sourceforge.net:
digs a little A yes, and here are those statistics I posted a couple of
years ago, showing site traffic into our website.
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2007-09/msg00108.php
These are for the people who figure it out, I wonder
On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
FYI, the figures for the past month are:
1.postgresql 45,579 10.91%
2.postgres16,225 3.88%
3.postgre 4,901 1.17%
4.postgresql download 4,590 1.10%
5.
2010/1/23 David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com:
On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
FYI, the figures for the past month are:
1. postgresql 45,579 10.91%
2. postgres 16,225 3.88%
3. postgre 4,901 1.17%
4. postgresql
On Friday 22. January 2010 01.22.09 Tom Lane wrote:
Larry Rosenman l...@lerctr.org writes:
On Thu, January 21, 2010 5:53 pm, Andreas Joseph Krogh wrote:
Care to shed some light on what features (yes, we users care about
features) warrant this major version-bump? Is there a link somewhere?
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As far as I can see, there is absolutely zero reason to care about
whether the product is called Postgres or PostgreSQL.
Sorry, but names matter.
On 01/22/2010 09:52 AM, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
Well, this *was* posted to -hackers and not -advocacy, but
advocacy, mind share, and many other non-hacking-on-the-base-code things
matter too. And frankly, our name is one of our *top* problems.
Perhaps you've never had to explain to
2010/1/23 Mark Mielke m...@mark.mielke.cc:
Calling it
PostgreSQL, makes it very clear to the uninformed masses where the product
fits in a product map. Tell an executive of a company Postgres, and they
would ask what is it? Tell them PostgreSQL, and they'll say is that
like Oracle? The second
* Brendan Jurd dire...@gmail.com [100122 10:29]:
Holy query language, Batman!
Do you mean to tell me that the uninformed masses you interact with
have an understanding of what SQL means?
I am skeptical of this claim, but if true, you must have access to the
most spectacularly informed
On 01/22/2010 10:57 AM, Aidan Van Dyk wrote:
* Brendan Jurddire...@gmail.com [100122 10:29]:
Holy query language, Batman!
Do you mean to tell me that the uninformed masses you interact with
have an understanding of what SQL means?
I am skeptical of this claim, but if true, you must have
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants
legitimacy to them as products. Dropping the SQL has the potential to
increase confusion. What is a
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants
legitimacy to them as products. Dropping the SQL has
Tom Lane wrote:
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in their
name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants legitimacy to
them as products.
2010/1/23 Andrew Chernow a...@esilo.com:
Tom Lane wrote:
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost
think also how people use SQL word , when calling ms sql server. They would
just say 'sql server' , and to some I had to explain that the little greedy
company didn't actually invented sql, hence it should be called ms sql
server...
so, -1 for dropping SQL word from me.
... and maybe the
Wait for it
9.0.
Yeah!!!
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On 21/01/10 09:37, Dave Page wrote:
In an attempt to pre-empt the normally drawn-out discussions about
what the next version of PostgreSQL will be numbered. the core team
have discussed the issue and following a lenghty debate lasting
literally a few minutes decided that the next release shall
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Richard Huxton d...@archonet.com wrote:
You don't have a code-name. All the cool kids have code-names for their
projects.
There - that should distract everyone from actual release-related work for
the next week or so :-)
Nicely done Sir :-)
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2010/1/21 Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org
In an attempt to pre-empt the normally drawn-out discussions about
what the next version of PostgreSQL will be numbered. the core team
have discussed the issue and following a lenghty debate lasting
literally a few minutes decided that the next release
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Thom Brown thombr...@gmail.com wrote:
I feel sorry for 8.5 now. It had such high hopes of becoming a proper
version.
Yeah, well - it'll be remembered. I still find occasional references
to PostgreSQL 7.5 in the pgAdmin code.
So, does this mean the next
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9.0.
You don't have a code-name. All the cool kids have code-names
for their projects.
I've got one: Postgres
Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 12:26 +, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
I thought we ended up that thread already?
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com wrote:
I've got one: Postgres
Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
Please don't start that again. It was distracting
* Dave Page (dp...@pgadmin.org) wrote:
Wait for it
9.0.
Sure, tell us now, after we've all already had to submit our 8.5-related
talks for PGCon... ;)
Thanks!
Stephen
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net wrote:
* Dave Page (dp...@pgadmin.org) wrote:
Wait for it
9.0.
Sure, tell us now, after we've all already had to submit our 8.5-related
talks for PGCon... ;)
What's 8.5?
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On tor, 2010-01-21 at 10:36 +, Richard Huxton wrote:
9.0.
You don't have a code-name. All the cool kids have code-names for
their projects.
The One That Worked
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On tor, 2010-01-21 at 10:36 +, Richard Huxton wrote:
9.0.
You don't have a code-name. All the cool kids have code-names for
their projects.
The One That Worked
Bullwinkle (This time for sure!)
cheers
andrew
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Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote:
Bullwinkle (This time for sure!)
LOL
But that trick never works...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7mmrF-4rUE
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9.0.
You don't have a code-name. All the cool kids have code-names for their
projects.
Black Dog
yup, I'm a zeppelin fan :)
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Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
I thought we ended up that thread already?
Well, the thread may have ended, but the problem remains.
Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com wrote:
many people are loathe to see the discussion come up again,
but as long as the project is saddled with its ugly and
unweildy official name, it has a large problem.
I don't particularly like the official stance on pronouncing it, but
other than
2010/1/21 Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com:
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Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
I thought we ended up that thread already?
Well,
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Pavel Stehule pavel.steh...@gmail.com wrote:
Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
I thought we ended up that thread already?
Well, the thread may have ended,
On Jan 21, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
As far as I can see, there is absolutely zero reason to care about
whether the product is called Postgres or PostgreSQL.
How about simply Post? Or just SQL? ;-P
If it were
called WeGrindUpTheBonesOfSmallChildrenSQL, maybe a change would be
On 21 Jan 2010, at 09:37, Dave Page wrote:
In an attempt to pre-empt the normally drawn-out discussions about
what the next version of PostgreSQL will be numbered. the core team
have discussed the issue and following a lenghty debate lasting
literally a few minutes decided that the next
Grzegorz Jaskiewicz wrote:
On 21 Jan 2010, at 09:37, Dave Page wrote:
In an attempt to pre-empt the normally drawn-out discussions about
what the next version of PostgreSQL will be numbered. the core team
have discussed the issue and following a lenghty debate lasting
literally a few minutes
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 21:26 +0100, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/release-6-5.html
That was another great release IMHO.
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On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:35 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
And where do you think baby powder comes from? Sheesh.
You won the thread!
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Andrew Chernow a...@esilo.com wrote:
9.0.
You don't have a code-name. All the cool kids have code-names for their
projects.
Black Dog
yup, I'm a zeppelin fan :)
+1
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One other point about this, before anyone asks: we will of course have
to go through the source code and docs to s/8.5/9.0/. The plan is to do
that between the conclusion of the current commitfest and the release of
the final alpha version (which will therefore call itself 9.0alpha4 not
On Thursday 21. January 2010 10.37.41 Dave Page wrote:
In an attempt to pre-empt the normally drawn-out discussions about
what the next version of PostgreSQL will be numbered. the core team
have discussed the issue and following a lenghty debate lasting
literally a few minutes decided that the
On Thu, January 21, 2010 5:53 pm, Andreas Joseph Krogh wrote:
On Thursday 21. January 2010 10.37.41 Dave Page wrote:
In an attempt to pre-empt the normally drawn-out discussions about
what the next version of PostgreSQL will be numbered. the core team
have discussed the issue and following a
Larry Rosenman l...@lerctr.org writes:
On Thu, January 21, 2010 5:53 pm, Andreas Joseph Krogh wrote:
Care to shed some light on what features (yes, we users care about
features) warrant this major version-bump? Is there a link somewhere?
AFAIR, it was stated if Hot Standby AND Streaming
On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Eric B. Ridge wrote:
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:35 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
And where do you think baby powder comes from? Sheesh.
You won the thread!
Heh, who's the wise guy that posted the second comment on
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