On Saturday 23 January 2010 16:19:11 Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Robert Treat wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't
downsides, but having a name the community can unify on is a definite
plus, and imho that name has to be Postgres.
Translation: we'll only be unified if everyone agrees with me.
Robert Treat wrote:
On Saturday 23 January 2010 16:19:11 Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Robert Treat wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't
downsides, but having a name the community can unify on is a definite
plus, and imho that name has to be Postgres.
Translation: we'll only be unified
I wrote:
I don't actually have a horse in this race, I can live with either name.
In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that I in fact
do have a horse in the race, although I wasn't thinking of it when I
wrote the above. As an officer in a corporation with PostgreSQL in
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
It's just as unclear whether MySQL is
to be pronounced my-se-quel or my-ess-cue-ell, but how many people have
you heard claiming that's a lousy name?
Actually the original promounciation was mee-ess-cue-ell, My is
monty's
On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Greg Stark wrote:
Actually the original promounciation was mee-ess-cue-ell, My is
monty's daughter's name and is pronounced like that. People generally
pronounced it my though so they just made that the official
pronounciation -- but they still don't approve of
David E. Wheeler írta:
On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Greg Stark wrote:
Actually the original promounciation was mee-ess-cue-ell, My is
monty's daughter's name and is pronounced like that. People generally
pronounced it my though so they just made that the official
pronounciation -- but
Boszormenyi Zoltan wrote:
How about PugSQL? It's kind of butch, keeps the pg part, and we could have
a dog logo.
IIRC, Pug is a little leprechaun in Shakespeare's Midsummer night's dream.
Another logo change opportunity. :-)
I think you've confused Puck and Snug. See
On Friday 22 January 2010 23:44:11 Tom Lane wrote:
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants
Robert Treat wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't
downsides, but having a name the community can unify on is a definite plus, and
imho that name has to be Postgres.
Translation: we'll only be unified if everyone agrees with me.
Sorry, that is quite clearly not going to happen.
Can we
2010/1/23 Robert Treat xzi...@users.sourceforge.net:
digs a little A yes, and here are those statistics I posted a couple of
years ago, showing site traffic into our website.
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2007-09/msg00108.php
These are for the people who figure it out, I wonder
On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
FYI, the figures for the past month are:
1.postgresql 45,579 10.91%
2.postgres16,225 3.88%
3.postgre 4,901 1.17%
4.postgresql download 4,590 1.10%
5.
2010/1/23 David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com:
On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
FYI, the figures for the past month are:
1. postgresql 45,579 10.91%
2. postgres 16,225 3.88%
3. postgre 4,901 1.17%
4. postgresql
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As far as I can see, there is absolutely zero reason to care about
whether the product is called Postgres or PostgreSQL.
Sorry, but names matter.
On 01/22/2010 09:52 AM, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
Well, this *was* posted to -hackers and not -advocacy, but
advocacy, mind share, and many other non-hacking-on-the-base-code things
matter too. And frankly, our name is one of our *top* problems.
Perhaps you've never had to explain to
2010/1/23 Mark Mielke m...@mark.mielke.cc:
Calling it
PostgreSQL, makes it very clear to the uninformed masses where the product
fits in a product map. Tell an executive of a company Postgres, and they
would ask what is it? Tell them PostgreSQL, and they'll say is that
like Oracle? The second
* Brendan Jurd dire...@gmail.com [100122 10:29]:
Holy query language, Batman!
Do you mean to tell me that the uninformed masses you interact with
have an understanding of what SQL means?
I am skeptical of this claim, but if true, you must have access to the
most spectacularly informed
On 01/22/2010 10:57 AM, Aidan Van Dyk wrote:
* Brendan Jurddire...@gmail.com [100122 10:29]:
Holy query language, Batman!
Do you mean to tell me that the uninformed masses you interact with
have an understanding of what SQL means?
I am skeptical of this claim, but if true, you must have
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants
legitimacy to them as products. Dropping the SQL has the potential to
increase confusion. What is a
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants
legitimacy to them as products. Dropping the SQL has
Tom Lane wrote:
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in their
name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost grants legitimacy to
them as products.
2010/1/23 Andrew Chernow a...@esilo.com:
Tom Lane wrote:
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Mielke wrote:
MS SQL, MySQL, SQLite - do they have advocacy problems due to the SQL in
their name? I think it is the opposite. SQL in the name almost
think also how people use SQL word , when calling ms sql server. They would
just say 'sql server' , and to some I had to explain that the little greedy
company didn't actually invented sql, hence it should be called ms sql
server...
so, -1 for dropping SQL word from me.
... and maybe the
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Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
I thought we ended up that thread already?
Well, the thread may have ended, but the problem remains.
Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com wrote:
many people are loathe to see the discussion come up again,
but as long as the project is saddled with its ugly and
unweildy official name, it has a large problem.
I don't particularly like the official stance on pronouncing it, but
other than
2010/1/21 Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com:
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Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
I thought we ended up that thread already?
Well,
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Pavel Stehule pavel.steh...@gmail.com wrote:
Better yet, how about we bite the bullet and make the name change
official. Seems like a major version bump is the right time
to do it.
I thought we ended up that thread already?
Well, the thread may have ended,
On Jan 21, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
As far as I can see, there is absolutely zero reason to care about
whether the product is called Postgres or PostgreSQL.
How about simply Post? Or just SQL? ;-P
If it were
called WeGrindUpTheBonesOfSmallChildrenSQL, maybe a change would be
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:35 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
And where do you think baby powder comes from? Sheesh.
You won the thread!
eric
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On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Eric B. Ridge wrote:
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:35 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
And where do you think baby powder comes from? Sheesh.
You won the thread!
Heh, who's the wise guy that posted the second comment on
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