Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: All, Let me mention some of the reasons we as a project could use a bug tracker which have nothing to do with actually fixing bugs. (1) Testing: a bug tracker could be used for beta testing instead of the ad-hoc system I'm writing. Assuming it has the right features,

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Stark wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: ?The number of people reading and replying to emails on pgsql-bugs is already insufficient, perhaps because of the (incorrect) perception that Tom does or will fix everything and no one else needs

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes: That doesn't mean that better integration cannot be worked on later, but this illusion that a bug tracker must have magical total awareness of the entire flow of information in the project from day one is an illusion and has blocked

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
Just to throw out a crazy idea, there has been talk of bug ids. What if a thread, made up of multiple message ids, was in fact the bug id, and the first message in the thread (ignoring month boundaries) was the definitive bug id, but any of the message ids could be used to represent the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-03 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On fre, 2011-06-03 at 16:42 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: Just to throw out a crazy idea, there has been talk of bug ids. What if a thread, made up of multiple message ids, was in fact the bug id, and the first message in the thread (ignoring month boundaries) was the definitive bug id, but any

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-03 Thread Christopher Browne
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Just to throw out a crazy idea, there has been talk of bug ids.  What if a thread, made up of multiple message ids, was in fact the bug id, and the first message in the thread (ignoring month boundaries) was the definitive

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-01 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com writes: http://archives.beccati.org/ It uses AOX (http://aox.org/) and as such is baked by a PostgreSQL database. The mails threading view is even a CTE. Yeah, it's great. Last time I heard, though, Mateo wasn't open to doing any more work on

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-01 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:43, Dimitri Fontaine dimi...@2ndquadrant.fr wrote: Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com writes:   http://archives.beccati.org/ It uses AOX (http://aox.org/) and as such is baked by a PostgreSQL database.  The mails threading view is even a CTE. Yeah, it's

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-06-01 Thread Greg Smith
On 05/31/2011 05:41 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Excerpts from Josh Berkus's message of mar may 31 17:05:23 -0400 2011: BTW, we talked to Debian about debbugs ages ago, and the Debian project said that far too much of debbugs was not portable to other projects. The good news is that

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-05-30 at 22:43 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: One of the conclusions the study group came to was that there should be good integration between the tracker system and the SCM. That was in the days before distributed SCMs were common, and in a commercial context, so I'm not sure how

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-05-30 at 21:52 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: The number of people reading and replying to emails on pgsql-bugs is already insufficient, perhaps because of the (incorrect) perception that Tom does or will fix everything and no one else needs to care. So anything that makes it harder

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-05-30 at 20:16 -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: My suspicion is that RT may be rather a lot heavier weight in terms of how it would have to affect process than people would be happy with. What has been pretty clearly expressed is that various of the developers prefer for the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-05-30 at 21:52 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: I have used RT and I found that the web interface was both difficult to use and unwieldly for tickets containing large numbers of messages. Maybe those those things have been improved, but frankly if RT or Bugzilla is the best we can come

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 07:42, Greg Stark gsst...@mit.edu wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner ste...@kaltenbrunner.cc wrote: well bugzilla has an inbound email interface as well that can both be used to creande and to manipulate bugs (as in mails that have the bug-id

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 07:08, Stefan Kaltenbrunner ste...@kaltenbrunner.cc wrote: On 05/31/2011 05:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Kim Bisgaard kim...@alleroedderne.adsl.dk writes: On 2011-05-30 04:26, Greg Stark wrote: My biggest gripe about bugzilla was that it sent you an email with updates to

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-05-30 at 22:17 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Christopher Browne cbbro...@gmail.com writes: On 2011-05-30 4:31 PM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: Based on that, and past discussions, and things we've tried in the past, and gut feeling, and so on, it looks like Request Tracker

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-05-30 at 01:30 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Greg Stark is right that Debbugs has a lot of interesting features similar to the desired workflow here. It's not tied to just Debian anymore; the GNU project is also using it now. For the benefit of others, I suppose you are referring

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-05-31 at 10:36 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: I get the feeling we're approaching this backwards. Wouldn't the normal way to do it be to define the workflow we *want*, and then figure out which bugtracker works for that or requires the least changes for that, rather than to try to

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:47, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On tis, 2011-05-31 at 10:36 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: I get the feeling we're approaching this backwards. Wouldn't the normal way to do it be to define the workflow we *want*, and then figure out which bugtracker works

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 05/31/2011 06:41 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: We already have a search system that works reasonably well for the archives... I trust this weas a piece of sarcasm. I spoke to more than a few people at pgcon and nobody had a good word to say about the search system on the archives.

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 14:44, Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote: On 05/31/2011 06:41 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: We already have a search system that works reasonably well for the archives... I trust this weas a piece of sarcasm. I spoke to more than a few people at pgcon and

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 05/31/2011 04:01 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On mån, 2011-05-30 at 22:43 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: One of the conclusions the study group came to was that there should be good integration between the tracker system and the SCM. That was in the days before distributed SCMs were common,

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-05-31 at 08:44 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: On 05/31/2011 06:41 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: We already have a search system that works reasonably well for the archives... I trust this weas a piece of sarcasm. I spoke to more than a few people at pgcon and nobody had a

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 15:07, Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote: On 05/31/2011 04:01 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On mån, 2011-05-30 at 22:43 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: One of the conclusions the study group came to was that there should be good integration between the tracker

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On mån, 2011-05-30 at 21:52 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: I have used RT and I found that the web interface was both difficult to use and unwieldly for tickets containing large numbers of messages.  Maybe those those things

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote: I get the feeling we're approaching this backwards. Wouldn't the normal way to do it be to define the workflow we *want*, and then figure out which bugtracker works for that or requires the least changes for that,

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread k...@rice.edu
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 02:58:02PM +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 14:44, Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote: On 05/31/2011 06:41 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: We already have a search system that works reasonably well for the archives... I trust this

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 05/31/2011 09:33 AM, Robert Haas wrote: IIRC, both of them think that you should log into the web interface to send emails (which, in the case of Bugzilla, don't permit replies), rather than sending emails that show up in the web interface. I think you probably need to look at Bugzilla

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote: So in order to start a brand new bikeshed to paint on, have we even considered a very trivial workflow like letting the bugtracker actually *only* track our existing lists and

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread k...@rice.edu
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:33:33AM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On mån, 2011-05-30 at 21:52 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: I have used RT and I found that the web interface was both difficult to use and unwieldly for tickets

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes: On 05/31/2011 06:41 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: We already have a search system that works reasonably well for the archives... I trust this weas a piece of sarcasm. I spoke to more than a few people at pgcon and nobody had a good word to say about

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 16:21, Kevin Grittner kevin.gritt...@wicourts.gov wrote: k...@rice.edu k...@rice.edu wrote: maybe we can do some tweaking our search engine to improve it. A custom dictionary to carefully add a few synonyms might go a long way.  I often need to try a number of

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Grittner
k...@rice.edu k...@rice.edu wrote: maybe we can do some tweaking our search engine to improve it. A custom dictionary to carefully add a few synonyms might go a long way. I often need to try a number of permutations of likely words to get relevant hits. Including the subject line in

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread k...@rice.edu
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:36:00AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes: On 05/31/2011 06:41 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: We already have a search system that works reasonably well for the archives... I trust this weas a piece of sarcasm. I spoke to more than

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Grittner
Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote: Any patches are definitely welcome - you can find the search system at https://pgweb.postgresql.org/browser/trunk/portal/tools/search :-) (for the archives, you're probably most interested in classes/ArchiveIndexer.class.php and the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Abbate
On 05/31/2011 04:36 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: So in order to start a brand new bikeshed to paint on, have we even considered a very trivial workflow like letting the bugtracker actually *only* track our existing lists and archives. That would mean: * Mailing lists are *primary*, and the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net wrote: So in order to start a brand new bikeshed to paint on, have we even considered a very trivial workflow like

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net wrote: On 05/31/2011 09:33 AM, Robert Haas wrote: IIRC, both of them think that you should log into the web interface to send emails (which, in the case of Bugzilla, don't permit replies), rather than sending emails that show

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Excerpts from Joe Abbate's message of mar may 31 10:43:07 -0400 2011: I have a web crawler for a website I maintain that I could modify to crawl through the archives of -bugs, say from 5 Dec 2003 where the first bug with the new format appears, and capture the structured data (reference,

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: I kinda wonder why the CF app doesn't work like that, actually. (Yeah, I know the poor thread linking in the archives is an issue.) I thought this pretty much WAS how the CF app

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Abbate
Hola Alvaro, On 05/31/2011 11:38 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: I think this would be easier if you crawled the monthly mboxen instead of the web archives. It'd be preferable to use message-ids to identify messages rather than year-and-month based URLs. I can capture the message-ids, as well as

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: I kinda wonder why the CF app doesn't work like that, actually. (Yeah, I know the poor thread linking in the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Grittner
Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote: I assume a link such as http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-bugs/2003-12/msg00046.php would be easier to follow than 20031205173035.ga16...@wolff.to The point is that the community seems to have reached a consensus that they would rather use

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Excerpts from Kevin Grittner's message of mar may 31 12:41:59 -0400 2011: Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote: I assume a link such as http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-bugs/2003-12/msg00046.php would be easier to follow than 20031205173035.ga16...@wolff.to The

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 05/31/2011 01:12 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On mån, 2011-05-30 at 21:52 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: I have used RT and I found that the web interface was both difficult to use and unwieldly for tickets containing large numbers of messages. Maybe those those things have been improved, but

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 19:10, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote: On 05/31/2011 12:41 PM, Kevin Grittner wrote: The point is that the community seems to have reached a consensus that they would rather use this URL for the above message:

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-05-31 at 14:58 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: But sure, it can probably be improved. But what people are then basically asying is that tsearch isn't good enough for searching. For one thing, there should be more structured search possibilities, such as by date or author or subject

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Abbate
On 05/31/2011 12:41 PM, Kevin Grittner wrote: The point is that the community seems to have reached a consensus that they would rather use this URL for the above message: http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/20031205173035.ga16...@wolff.to OK, as I said, I can still capture the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Excerpts from Joshua D. Drake's message of mar may 31 12:32:43 -0400 2011: Given that you have been one of the people calling for a bug tracker, and these are the two most widely used systems available, what's wrong with them and what else would you suggest? Just FYI, CMD uses redmine

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Abbate
On 05/31/2011 01:13 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote: Just to be clear, crawling the current archives for this info is probably the easiest part of the whole project. In fact, the majority of the information you'd need is *already* in a postgresql database on search.postgresql.org. Does that

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Simon Riggs
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes: That doesn't mean that better integration cannot be worked on later, but this illusion that a bug tracker must have magical total awareness of the entire flow of information in the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 19:59, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote: On 05/31/2011 01:13 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote: Just to be clear, crawling the current archives for this info is probably the easiest part of the whole project. In fact, the majority of the information you'd need is

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 05/31/2011 11:05 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Excerpts from Joshua D. Drake's message of mar may 31 12:32:43 -0400 2011: Given that you have been one of the people calling for a bug tracker, and these are the two most widely used systems available, what's wrong with them and what else would

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 19:37, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On tis, 2011-05-31 at 14:58 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: But sure, it can probably be improved. But what people are then basically asying is that tsearch isn't good enough for searching. For one thing, there should be

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Cédric Villemain
2011/5/31 Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com: Excerpts from Joshua D. Drake's message of mar may 31 12:32:43 -0400 2011: Alvaro has also brought up the system that Debian uses which is actually email based versus web based. Yeah, that's debbugs, which has been mentioned elsewhere in

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com writes: Excerpts from Kevin Grittner's message of mar may 31 12:41:59 -0400 2011: The point is that the community seems to have reached a consensus that they would rather use this URL for the above message:

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Josh Berkus
All, Let me mention some of the reasons we as a project could use a bug tracker which have nothing to do with actually fixing bugs. (1) Testing: a bug tracker could be used for beta testing instead of the ad-hoc system I'm writing. Assuming it has the right features, of course. (2) User

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Excerpts from Dimitri Fontaine's message of mar may 31 16:11:35 -0400 2011: Check out the following POC, which needs to get migrated into a django application for the upcoming new infrastructure: http://archives.beccati.org/ It uses AOX (http://aox.org/) and as such is baked by a

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Excerpts from Josh Berkus's message of mar may 31 17:05:23 -0400 2011: BTW, we talked to Debian about debbugs ages ago, and the Debian project said that far too much of debbugs was not portable to other projects. The good news is that the GNU folk proved them wrong, as evidenced elsewhere in

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Cédric Villemain
2011/5/31 Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com: All, Let me mention some of the reasons we as a project could use a bug tracker which have nothing to do with actually fixing bugs. (1) Testing: a bug tracker could be used for beta testing instead of the ad-hoc system I'm writing.  Assuming it has

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-05-31 at 11:49 +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On mån, 2011-05-30 at 01:30 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Greg Stark is right that Debbugs has a lot of interesting features similar to the desired workflow here. It's not tied to just Debian anymore; the GNU project is also using it

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Joe Abbate
On 05/30/2011 10:57 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: The case I want to avoid is (a). And if it's possible to make (b) just be the -hackers mailinglist and putting a keyword in the right place, Did you mean the -bugs mailing list? On the subject of keywords, considering Robert's suggestion to

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
On 05/30/2011 04:26 AM, Greg Stark wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote: Anyone interested in the tracker, please visit http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/TrackerDiscussion and add your feedback/input. I think this illustrates exactly what we *don't*

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Excerpts from Greg Stark's message of dom may 29 22:26:21 -0400 2011: My ideal bug tracker is the debian one which basically stays out of your way and lets you cc any message to a specific bug at n...@bugs.debian.org which archives that message in the bug and sends it to anyone listening to

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Greg Smith
On 05/29/2011 05:17 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Here is a list to choose from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue_tracking_systems I turned this into a spreadsheet to sort and prune more easily; if anyone wants that let me know, it's not terribly useful beyond what I'm

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On sön, 2011-05-29 at 18:36 -0400, Joe Abbate wrote: I've summarizes the main points made in the recent discussion and did some minor additional research on the lists suggested by Peter and Chris Browne. Anyone interested in the tracker, please visit

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 04:26, Greg Stark gsst...@mit.edu wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote:  Anyone interested in the tracker, please visit http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/TrackerDiscussion and add your feedback/input. I think this illustrates

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On sön, 2011-05-29 at 11:05 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: If it has only a partial view of the set of bugs being worked on, it's not going to meet the goals that are being claimed for it. I don't doubt that somebody could run around and link every discussion about a bug into the tracker. I'm just

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Andres Freund
On Monday, May 30, 2011 07:30:37 AM Greg Smith wrote: Trac While I am not a fan of trac there is a plugin for that that works reasonable well and isn't that hard to customize if needed: https://subtrac.sara.nl/oss/email2trac Andres -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 16:52, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote: Hi Magnus, On 05/30/2011 08:45 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: It's fine that a bug tracker *tracks* bugs. It should not control them. That's not how this community currently works, and a lot of people have said that's how

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Christopher Browne
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Greg Stark gsst...@mit.edu wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote:  Anyone interested in the tracker, please visit http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/TrackerDiscussion and add your feedback/input. I think this illustrates

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Greg Stark
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner ste...@kaltenbrunner.cc wrote: well bugzilla has an inbound email interface as well that can both be used to creande and to manipulate bugs (as in mails that have the bug-id in the subject will be added as a comment). Ugh, putting it in

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Joe Abbate
Hi Greg, On 05/29/2011 10:26 PM, Greg Stark wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote: Anyone interested in the tracker, please visit http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/TrackerDiscussion and add your feedback/input. I think this illustrates exactly what

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Joe Abbate
Hi Magnus, On 05/30/2011 08:45 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: It's fine that a bug tracker *tracks* bugs. It should not control them. That's not how this community currently works, and a lot of people have said that's how they want it to stay (at least for now). If I may belabor the point, what

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Christopher Browne
On 2011-05-30 4:31 PM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On sön, 2011-05-29 at 18:36 -0400, Joe Abbate wrote: I've summarizes the main points made in the recent discussion and did some minor additional research on the lists suggested by Peter and Chris Browne. Anyone interested in

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Robert Haas
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Christopher Browne cbbro...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-05-30 4:31 PM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On sön, 2011-05-29 at 18:36 -0400, Joe Abbate wrote: I've summarizes the main points made in the recent discussion and did some minor additional

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Brendan Jurd
On 31 May 2011 11:52, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: I have used RT and I found that the web interface was both difficult to use and unwieldly for tickets containing large numbers of messages. A big loud ditto from me on this point. Cheers, BJ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Tom Lane
Christopher Browne cbbro...@gmail.com writes: On 2011-05-30 4:31 PM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: Based on that, and past discussions, and things we've tried in the past, and gut feeling, and so on, it looks like Request Tracker would appear to be the next best thing to consider

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread k...@rice.edu
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 09:52:38PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Christopher Browne cbbro...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-05-30 4:31 PM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On sön, 2011-05-29 at 18:36 -0400, Joe Abbate wrote: I've summarizes the main points

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 05/30/2011 09:52 PM, Robert Haas wrote: I have used RT and I found that the web interface was both difficult to use and unwieldly for tickets containing large numbers of messages. Maybe those those things have been improved, but frankly if RT or Bugzilla is the best we can come up with

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Kim Bisgaard
On 2011-05-30 04:26, Greg Stark wrote: My biggest gripe about bugzilla was that it sent you an email with updates to the bug but you couldn't respond to that email. Just checked bugzilla's list of features and they *now* lists that as supported: File/Modify Bugs By Email In addition to the

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Greg Stark
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote:  The number of people reading and replying to emails on pgsql-bugs is already insufficient, perhaps because of the (incorrect) perception that Tom does or will fix everything and no one else needs to care.  So anything

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Tom Lane
Kim Bisgaard kim...@alleroedderne.adsl.dk writes: On 2011-05-30 04:26, Greg Stark wrote: My biggest gripe about bugzilla was that it sent you an email with updates to the bug but you couldn't respond to that email. Just checked bugzilla's list of features and they *now* lists that as

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-30 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
On 05/31/2011 05:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Kim Bisgaard kim...@alleroedderne.adsl.dk writes: On 2011-05-30 04:26, Greg Stark wrote: My biggest gripe about bugzilla was that it sent you an email with updates to the bug but you couldn't respond to that email. Just checked bugzilla's list of

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
On 05/29/2011 06:04 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com wrote: My own bare bones wish list for such a tracker is: * Runs on Postgres * Has an email interface Make no mistake, whichever we

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On sön, 2011-05-29 at 00:04 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Many, many, many bug issues are not associated with a bug report submitted through the web interface. People mail stuff to pgsql-bugs manually, or issues turn up in threads on other lists. If a tracker can only find things submitted through

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On sön, 2011-05-29 at 03:23 +, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: My own bare bones wish list for such a tracker is: * Runs on Postgres * Has an email interface I will add * Free/open source software to that. Here is a list to choose from:

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes: That doesn't mean that better integration cannot be worked on later, but this illusion that a bug tracker must have magical total awareness of the entire flow of information in the project from day one is an illusion and has blocked this business for

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Joe Abbate
Hi Tom, On 05/29/2011 11:05 AM, Tom Lane wrote: In the end, I think that requests for a tracker mostly come from people who are not part of this community, or at least not part of its mailing lists (which is about the same thing IMO). I think that's a bit harsh. I assume you consider GSM a

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
On 05/29/2011 05:47 PM, Joe Abbate wrote: Hi Tom, On 05/29/2011 11:05 AM, Tom Lane wrote: In the end, I think that requests for a tracker mostly come from people who are not part of this community, or at least not part of its mailing lists (which is about the same thing IMO). I think

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Joe Abbate
On 05/29/2011 02:01 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: feel free to reuse/edit the page as you like it(I have just removed the notice) - the don't edit thingy was added because people started to find the page via google (while searching for a tracker/bugreporting tool) and considered it official

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-29 Thread Greg Stark
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Joe Abbate j...@freedomcircle.com wrote:  Anyone interested in the tracker, please visit http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/TrackerDiscussion and add your feedback/input. I think this illustrates exactly what we *don't* want to happen with a bug tracker. We want

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-28 Thread Robert Haas
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com wrote: My own bare bones wish list for such a tracker is: * Runs on Postgres * Has an email interface Make no mistake, whichever we choose, the care of feeding of such a beast will require some precious resources in

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-28 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com wrote: My own bare bones wish list for such a tracker is: * Runs on Postgres * Has an email interface Make no mistake, whichever we choose, the care of feeding of such a

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-28 Thread Robert Haas
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: 1. Given a bug number, find the pgsql-bugs emails that mention it in the subject line.  Note that the archives would actually MOSTLY do this ,but for the stupid month-boundary problem which we seem unable to fix despite

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-28 Thread Brendan Jurd
On 29 May 2011 14:04, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Anything that even pretends to be a bug tracker will do that.  The real question is, who is going to keep it up to date?  GSM has the right point of view here: we need at least a couple of people who are willing to invest substantial

Re: [HACKERS] Getting a bug tracker for the Postgres project

2011-05-28 Thread Tom Lane
Brendan Jurd dire...@gmail.com writes: On 29 May 2011 14:04, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Anything that even pretends to be a bug tracker will do that. The real question is, who is going to keep it up to date? GSM has the right point of view here: we need at least a couple of people