Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-06 Thread Greg Smith
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Simon Riggs wrote: I think this should be organised with different kinds of reviewer... Great post. Rewrote the intro a bit and turned it into a first bit of reviewer training material at http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Reviewing_a_Patch -- * Greg Smith [EMAIL

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-06 Thread Greg Smith
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Marko Kreen wrote: I think we have better results and more relaxed atmospere if we use following task description for reviewers: I assimilated this and some of your later comments into http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Reviewing_a_Patch as well. I disagree with your

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-06 Thread Simon Riggs
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 04:03 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Simon Riggs wrote: I think this should be organised with different kinds of reviewer... Great post. Rewrote the intro a bit and turned it into a first bit of reviewer training material at

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: -- Start of PGP signed section. On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:54:02PM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: * coding review - does it follow standard code guidelines? Are there portability issues? Will it work on Windows/BSD etc? Are there sufficient comments? * code

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-06 Thread Abbas Butt
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: We currently have 38 patches pending, and only nine people reviewing them. At this rate, the September commitfest will take three months. If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or even want to be one, we need your help reviewing

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or even want to be one, we need your help reviewing patches! There are several easy patches in the list, so I can assign them to beginners. It would be a reasonable rule that all patch

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Ibrar Ahmed
Josh Berkus wrote: Hackers, We currently have 38 patches pending, and only nine people reviewing them. At this rate, the September commitfest will take three months. If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or even want to be one, we need your help reviewing patches! There are several easy

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Haas
That way, instead of just an appeal to the masses to volunteer for $NEBULOUS_TASK, we can say something like Please volunteer to review patches. Doing an initial patch review is easy, please see our guide link to learn more. +1. I'll review a patch if you like, but the patch I have in this

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 12:18 +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: It would be a reasonable rule that all patch submitters also have to do patch reviews. This is almost the only way to be accepted as a contributor to Fedora -- and I like it. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE devrim~gunduz.org,

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Ibrar Ahmed
Josh Berkus wrote: Hackers, We currently have 38 patches pending, and only nine people reviewing them. At this rate, the September commitfest will take three months. If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or even want to be one, we need your help reviewing patches! There are several easy

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Simon Riggs wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or even want to be one, we need your help reviewing patches! There are several easy patches in the list, so I can assign them to beginners. It would be a reasonable

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I don't *want* the rule, I just think we *need* the rule because otherwise sponsors/managers/etc make business decisions to exclude that aspect of the software dev process. How exactly would you even begin to enforce such a rule?

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Markus Wanner
Hi, Simon Riggs wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:19 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: All this would do is to deter people from submitting patches. Hard rules like this don't work in FOSS communities. I know it's like herding cats, but persuasion is really our only tool. +1 I don't *want* the

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:03 +0200, Markus Wanner wrote: I don't *want* the rule, I just think we *need* the rule because otherwise sponsors/managers/etc make business decisions to exclude that aspect of the software dev process. I agree that making sponsors/managers/etc aware of that

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Marko Kreen
On 9/4/08, Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: We currently have 38 patches pending, and only nine people reviewing them. At this rate, the September commitfest will take three months. If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Markus Wanner
Hi, Simon Riggs wrote: Such as? Dunno. Rules for sponsors? It would probably make sense to not only pay a single developer to create and submit a patch, but instead plan for paying others to review the code as well. You might think those arguments exist and work, but I would say they

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Marko Kreen
On 9/5/08, Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:03 +0200, Markus Wanner wrote: I don't *want* the rule, I just think we *need* the rule because otherwise sponsors/managers/etc make business decisions to exclude that aspect of the software dev process. I

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 17:19 +0300, Marko Kreen wrote: I think this should be organised with different kinds of reviewer: The list is correct but too verbose. And it does not attack the core of the problem. I think the problem is not: What can/should I do? but instead: Can

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Marko Kreen
On 9/5/08, Marko Kreen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list is correct but too verbose. And it does not attack the core of the problem. I think the problem is not: What can/should I do? but instead: Can I take the responsibility? To clarify it - that was the problem I faced last

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:19 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Simon Riggs wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or even want to be one, we need your help reviewing patches! There are several easy patches in the list, so

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:54:02PM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: * coding review - does it follow standard code guidelines? Are there portability issues? Will it work on Windows/BSD etc? Are there sufficient comments? * code review - does it do what it says, correctly? Just one thing though, I

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Just one thing though, I picked a random patch and started reading. However, the commitfest page doesn't link to anywhere that actually describes *what* the patch is trying to do. Many patches do have the design and the patch in one page, but some don't. I

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: I suppose what happens is the original patch comes with design and later a newer version is posted with just changes. The commitfest page points to the latter, losing former in the archive somewhere. Hmm, IMO this is a

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We currently have 38 patches pending, and only nine people reviewing them. At this rate, the September commitfest will take three months. I'll push forward on reviewing and testing Xiao's hash index improvements for inclusion

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Lane
Jonah H. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll push forward on reviewing and testing Xiao's hash index improvements for inclusion into core. Though, someone will still need to review my stuff. I think what the hash index patch really needs is some performance testing. I'm willing to take

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Kenneth Marshall
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:01:18PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Jonah H. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll push forward on reviewing and testing Xiao's hash index improvements for inclusion into core. Though, someone will still need to review my stuff. I think what the hash index patch

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Lane
Kenneth Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:01:18PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: I think what the hash index patch really needs is some performance testing. I'm willing to take responsibility for the code being okay or not, but I haven't got any production-grade hardware

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:01 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: If anyone is willing to do comparative performance testing, I'll volunteer to make up two variant patches that do it both ways and are otherwise equivalent. Why not do both, set via a reloption? We can then set the default to whichever wins

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: We currently have 38 patches pending, and only nine people reviewing them. At this rate, the September commitfest will take three months. If you are a postgresql hacker at all, or even want to be one, we need your help reviewing

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Lane
Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:01 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: If anyone is willing to do comparative performance testing, I'll volunteer to make up two variant patches that do it both ways and are otherwise equivalent. Why not do both, set via a reloption? That is

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Alex Hunsaker
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what the hash index patch really needs is some performance testing. I'm willing to take responsibility for the code being okay or not, but I haven't got any production-grade hardware to do realistic performance tests

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Lane
Alex Hunsaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can happily through some hardware at this. Although production-grade is in the eye of the beholder... I just posted a revised patch in the pgsql-patches thread. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list

Re: [HACKERS] Need more reviewers!

2008-09-04 Thread Brendan Jurd
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Please volunteer now! Everybody is stuck in I'm not good enough to do a full review. They're right (myself included), so that just means we're organising it wrongly. We