On 01/02/2010 03:27, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Matteo Beccati wrote:
Incidentally, I've just found out that the mailing lists are
dropping some messages. According to my qmail logs the AOX account
never received Joe's message yesterday, nor quite a few others:
M156252, M156259, M156262, M156273,
2010/2/1 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
On 01/02/2010 03:27, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Matteo Beccati wrote:
Incidentally, I've just found out that the mailing lists are
dropping some messages. According to my qmail logs the AOX account
never received Joe's message yesterday, nor quite a few
On 01/02/2010 10:26, Magnus Hagander wrote:
Does the MBOX importer support incremental loading? Because majordomo
spits out MBOX files for us already.
Unfortunately the aoximport shell command doesn't support incremental
loading.
One option could be to use SMTP with a subscription as the
2010/2/1 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
On 01/02/2010 10:26, Magnus Hagander wrote:
Does the MBOX importer support incremental loading? Because majordomo
spits out MBOX files for us already.
Unfortunately the aoximport shell command doesn't support incremental loading.
One option could
On 01/02/2010 15:03, Magnus Hagander wrote:
2010/2/1 Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com:
My main concern is that we'd need to overcomplicate the thread detection algorithm so
that it better deals with delayed messages: as it currently works, the replies to a
missing message get linked to the
2010/2/1 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
On 01/02/2010 15:03, Magnus Hagander wrote:
2010/2/1 Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com:
My main concern is that we'd need to overcomplicate the thread detection
algorithm so that it better deals with delayed messages: as it currently
works, the
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
My main concern is that we'd need to overcomplicate the thread detection
algorithm so that it better deals with delayed messages: as it currently
works, the replies to a missing message get linked to the
grand-parent. Injecting the missing message
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
My main concern is that we'd need to overcomplicate the thread detection
algorithm so that it better deals with delayed messages: as it currently
works, the replies to a missing message
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
* A sends a message
* B replies, cc'ing A and the list
* B's reply to list is delayed by
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
* A sends a message
* B replies, cc'ing A and the list
* B's reply to list is delayed by greylisting
* A replies to B's reply (cc'ing list)
* A's
2010/2/1 Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
* A sends a message
* B replies, cc'ing A and the list
On 30/01/2010 22:18, Joe Conway wrote:
On 01/30/2010 01:14 PM, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
I've been following the various suggestions. Please take a look at the
updated archives proof of concept:
http://archives.beccati.org/
I like the features a lot,
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 22:43, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
On 30/01/2010 17:54, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
* While I don't personally care, some are going to insist that the site
works with Javascript disabled. I didn't try but from your description
it doesn't seem like it would. Is
On 31/01/2010 13:45, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 22:43, Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com wrote:
On 30/01/2010 17:54, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
* While I don't personally care, some are going to insist that the site
works with Javascript disabled. I didn't try but from your
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 15:09, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
On 31/01/2010 13:45, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 22:43, Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com wrote:
On 30/01/2010 17:54, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
* While I don't personally care, some are going to insist that
Matteo Beccati wrote:
Incidentally, I've just found out that the mailing lists are
dropping some messages. According to my qmail logs the AOX account
never received Joe's message yesterday, nor quite a few others:
M156252, M156259, M156262, M156273, M156275
and I've verified that it also
Il 19/01/2010 09:44, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
As long as the templating is separated from the code, it doesn't
matter if it's a dedicated templating engine or PHP. The point being,
focus on the contents and interface, porting the actual
HTML-generation is likely to be easy compared to that.
Matteo Beccati wrote:
Il 19/01/2010 09:44, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
As long as the templating is separated from the code, it doesn't
matter if it's a dedicated templating engine or PHP. The point being,
focus on the contents and interface, porting the actual
HTML-generation is likely to be
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
I've been following the various suggestions. Please take a look at the
updated archives proof of concept:
http://archives.beccati.org/
I like the features a lot, and the only remarks I can think about are
bikeschedding, so I'll let it to the web team
On 01/30/2010 01:14 PM, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
I've been following the various suggestions. Please take a look at the
updated archives proof of concept:
http://archives.beccati.org/
I like the features a lot, and the only remarks I can think about
On 30/01/2010 17:54, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Matteo Beccati wrote:
Il 19/01/2010 09:44, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
As long as the templating is separated from the code, it doesn't
matter if it's a dedicated templating engine or PHP. The point being,
focus on the contents and interface, porting
Il 18/01/2010 18:42, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 18:31, Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 18/01/2010 15:55, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
If it wasn't for the fact that we're knee deep in two other major
projects for the infrastructure team right now, I'd be all
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 09:11, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 18/01/2010 18:42, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 18:31, Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 18/01/2010 15:55, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
If it wasn't for the fact that we're knee deep in two
Il 16/01/2010 14:21, Matteo Beccati ha scritto:
Il 16/01/2010 11:48, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
Anyway, I've made further changes and I would say that at this point
the PoC
is feature complete. There surely are still some rough edges and a few
things to
2010/1/18 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
Il 16/01/2010 14:21, Matteo Beccati ha scritto:
Il 16/01/2010 11:48, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
Anyway, I've made further changes and I would say that at this point
the PoC
is feature complete. There
Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
Also, I tink one of the main issues with the archives today that
people bring up is the inability to have threads cross months. I think
that should be fixed. Basically, get rid of the grouping by month for
a more dynamic way to browse.
Clic a mail
Magnus Hagander wrote:
2010/1/18 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
My question now is... what next? :)
Gee, I disappear for a week and look what happens -- we get streaming
replication, a revamped archives site, and maybe something else that I
haven't seen yet. I love it :-)
If it wasn't
Il 18/01/2010 15:55, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
If it wasn't for the fact that we're knee deep in two other major
projects for the infrastructure team right now, I'd be all over this
:-) But we really need to complete that before we put anything new in
production here.
Sure, that's completely
Il 18/01/2010 16:19, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Magnus Hagandermag...@hagander.net writes:
Also, I tink one of the main issues with the archives today that
people bring up is the inability to have threads cross months. I think
that should be fixed. Basically, get rid of the grouping by month
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 18:31, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 18/01/2010 15:55, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
If it wasn't for the fact that we're knee deep in two other major
projects for the infrastructure team right now, I'd be all over this
:-) But we really need to complete that
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 18:35, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 18/01/2010 16:19, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Magnus Hagandermag...@hagander.net writes:
Also, I tink one of the main issues with the archives today that
people bring up is the inability to have threads cross months.
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
Anyway, I've made further changes and I would say that at this point the PoC
is feature complete. There surely are still some rough edges and a few
things to clean up, but I'd like to get your feedback once again:
http://archives.beccati.org
I've been
Il 16/01/2010 11:48, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
Anyway, I've made further changes and I would say that at this point the PoC
is feature complete. There surely are still some rough edges and a few
things to clean up, but I'd like to get your feedback
Hi everyone,
Il 14/01/2010 19:36, David Fetter ha scritto:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 03:08:22PM +0100, Matteo Beccati wrote:
Il 14/01/2010 14:39, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
Any improvements to sorting are welcome :)
...
ARRAY[uid]
...
Il 14/01/2010 08:22, Matteo Beccati ha scritto:
Hi,
3) A nice set of SQL queries to return message, parts, threads,
folders based on $criteria (search, id, folder, etc)
I guess Matteo's working on that…
Right, but this is where I want to see the AOX schema imporove... In
ways like adding
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
I've extended AOX with a trigger that takes care of filling a separate table
that's used to display the index pages. The new table also stores threading
information (standard headers + Exchange headers support) and whether or not
the email has
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Dimitri Fontaine
dfonta...@hi-media.com wrote:
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
I've extended AOX with a trigger that takes care of filling a separate table
that's used to display the index pages. The new table also stores threading
information (standard
Il 14/01/2010 14:39, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
I've extended AOX with a trigger that takes care of filling a separate table
that's used to display the index pages. The new table also stores threading
information (standard headers + Exchange headers
Il 14/01/2010 14:46, Dave Page ha scritto:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Dimitri Fontaine
dfonta...@hi-media.com wrote:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
I've extended AOX with a trigger that takes care of filling a separate table
that's used to display the index pages. The new table
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 14/01/2010 14:46, Dave Page ha scritto:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Dimitri Fontaine
dfonta...@hi-media.com wrote:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
I've extended AOX with a trigger that takes care of
Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com writes:
WITH RECURSIVE t (mailbox, uid, date, subject, sender, has_attachments,
parent_uid, idx, depth) AS (
SELECT mailbox, uid, date, subject, sender, has_attachments, parent_uid,
uid::text, 1
FROM arc_messages
WHERE parent_uid IS NULL AND mailbox = 15
Il 14/01/2010 15:47, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
WITH RECURSIVE t (mailbox, uid, date, subject, sender, has_attachments,
parent_uid, idx, depth) AS (
SELECT mailbox, uid, date, subject, sender, has_attachments, parent_uid,
uid::text, 1
FROM
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 16:06, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 14/01/2010 15:47, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
WITH RECURSIVE t (mailbox, uid, date, subject, sender, has_attachments,
parent_uid, idx, depth) AS (
SELECT mailbox, uid, date,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 03:08:22PM +0100, Matteo Beccati wrote:
Il 14/01/2010 14:39, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com writes:
I've extended AOX with a trigger that takes care of filling a separate table
that's used to display the index pages. The new table also
Hi,
3) A nice set of SQL queries to return message, parts, threads,
folders based on $criteria (search, id, folder, etc)
I guess Matteo's working on that…
Right, but this is where I want to see the AOX schema imporove... In
ways like adding persistant tables for threading, which are
Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
2010/1/12 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
So, I've decided to spend a bit more time on this and here is a proof of
concept web app that displays mailing list archives reading from the AOX
database:
http://archives.beccati.org/
Seems to work.
Hehe,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:05, Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com wrote:
Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
2010/1/12 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
So, I've decided to spend a bit more time on this and here is a proof of
concept web app that displays mailing list archives reading
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 15:00, Abhijit Menon-Sen a...@toroid.org wrote:
(Many thanks to Dimitri for bringing this thread to my attention.)
At 2010-01-11 10:46:10 +0100, mag...@hagander.net wrote:
As for AOX, my understanding is that it is no longer maintained, so
I'd be worried about
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 10:24 +0530, Dave Page wrote:
2010/1/12 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
So, I've decided to spend a bit more time on this and here is a proof of
concept web app that displays mailing list archives reading from the AOX
database:
http://archives.beccati.org/
Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 10:24 +0530, Dave Page wrote:
So just to put this into perspective and give anyone paying attention
an idea of the pain that lies ahead should they decide to work on
this:
- We need to import the old archives (of which
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 11:54 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
Or, we just leave the current infrastructure in place and use a new one
for all new messages going forward. We shouldn't limit our ability to
have a decent system due to decisions of the past.
-1. What's the point of having archives?
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 10:24 +0530, Dave Page wrote:
So just to put this into perspective and give anyone paying attention
an idea of the pain that lies ahead should they decide
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 18:34, Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com writes:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 10:24 +0530, Dave Page wrote:
So just to put this into perspective and give anyone paying
Il 12/01/2010 10:30, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
The problem is usually with strange looking emails with 15 different
MIME types. If we can figure out the proper way to render that, the
rest really is just a SMOP.
Yeah, I was expecting some, but all the message I've looked at seemed to
be
Il 12/01/2010 19:54, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 18:34, Dave Pagedp...@pgadmin.org wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Tom Lanet...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
Joshua D. Drakej...@commandprompt.com writes:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 10:24 +0530, Dave Page wrote:
So just
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 20:56, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 12/01/2010 10:30, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
The problem is usually with strange looking emails with 15 different
MIME types. If we can figure out the proper way to render that, the
rest really is just a SMOP.
Yeah, I
I'll note that the whole idea of a email archive interface might be a
very good advocacy project as well. AOX might not be a perfect fit,
but it could be a good learning experience... Really, all the PG mail
archives need is:
1) A nice normalized DB schema representing mail messages and their
Il 12/01/2010 21:04, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 20:56, Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com wrote:
Il 12/01/2010 10:30, Magnus Hagander ha scritto:
The problem is usually with strange looking emails with 15 different
MIME types. If we can figure out the proper way to
Aidan Van Dyk ai...@highrise.ca writes:
I'll note that the whole idea of a email archive interface might be a
very good advocacy project as well. AOX might not be a perfect fit,
but it could be a good learning experience... Really, all the PG mail
archives need is:
1) A nice normalized DB
* Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com [100112 16:28]:
1) A nice normalized DB schema representing mail messages and their
relations to other message and recipients (or folders)
We're now hoping that this one will fit:
http://www.archiveopteryx.org/schema
Yup, and it provides a
Aidan Van Dyk ai...@highrise.ca writes:
aox has that either as a bulk importer or as a MDA.
Yup, LMTP is ideally suited for that too.
Yes.
3) A nice set of SQL queries to return message, parts, threads,
folders based on $criteria (search, id, folder, etc)
I guess Matteo's working on
2010/1/11 Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com:
Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes:
That is assuming that the MUA gives you the option of specifying the
attachment MIME type. Many (including mine) do not. It would mean an extra
step - I'd have to gzip
Alvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com writes:
Absolutely. The month boundary problem boils down to the fact that
Mhonarc does not scale very well, so we can't have mboxes that are too
large. This is why most people split their archives per month, and then
each month is published as an
Hi,
Il 11/01/2010 11:18, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
AOX is already a database backed email solution, offering an archive
page with searching. I believe the searching is baked by tsearch
indexing. That's why I think it'd be suitable.
They already archive and offer search over one of our
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
Hi,
Il 11/01/2010 11:18, Dimitri Fontaine ha scritto:
AOX is already a database backed email solution, offering an archive
page with searching. I believe the searching is baked by tsearch
indexing. That's why I think
Il 11/01/2010 12:58, Dave Page ha scritto:
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Matteo Beccatip...@beccati.com wrote:
I recall having tried AOX a long time ago but I can't remember the reason
why I was not satisfied. I guess I can give another try by setting up a test
ML archive.
I tried it too,
Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
As for AOX, my understanding is that it is no longer maintained, so
I'd be worried about choosing such a solution for a complex problem.
But it's open for discussion.
Ouch.
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Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
I recall having tried AOX a long time ago but I can't remember the reason
why I was not satisfied. I guess I can give another try by setting up a test
ML archive.
I tried it too, before I started writing the new prototype archiver
from scratch. I too
2010/1/11 Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com:
Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org writes:
I recall having tried AOX a long time ago but I can't remember the reason
why I was not satisfied. I guess I can give another try by setting up a test
ML archive.
I tried it too, before I started writing
Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com writes:
Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net writes:
As for AOX, my understanding is that it is no longer maintained, so
I'd be worried about choosing such a solution for a complex problem.
But it's open for discussion.
Ouch.
It seems that the company
Magnus Hagander wrote:
No, the current archiver is a set of MBOX files that are processed
incrementally by mhonarc.
(yes, this is why it doesn't scale)
*search* is in a postgresql database, but it doesn't contain the
entire messages - doesn't have attachments for examples - only the
parts
(Many thanks to Dimitri for bringing this thread to my attention.)
At 2010-01-11 10:46:10 +0100, mag...@hagander.net wrote:
As for AOX, my understanding is that it is no longer maintained, so
I'd be worried about choosing such a solution for a complex problem.
I'll keep this short: Oryx, the
Il 11/01/2010 15:00, Abhijit Menon-Sen ha scritto:
I'll keep this short: Oryx, the company behind Archiveopteryx (aox), is
no longer around, but the software is still maintained. The developers
(myself included) are still interested in keeping it alive. It's been a
while since the last release,
2010/1/12 Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com:
So, I've decided to spend a bit more time on this and here is a proof of
concept web app that displays mailing list archives reading from the AOX
database:
http://archives.beccati.org/
Seems to work.
Please take it as an exercise I've made
Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes:
That is assuming that the MUA gives you the option of specifying the
attachment MIME type. Many (including mine) do not. It would mean an extra
step - I'd have to gzip each patch or something like that. That would be
unfortunate,as well as imposing
Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes:
That is assuming that the MUA gives you the option of specifying the
attachment MIME type. Many (including mine) do not. It would mean an extra
step - I'd have to gzip each patch or something like that. That would be
On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 02:17:27AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Tim Bunce's recent patch has been mangled apparently by the list
archives. He sent it as an attachment, and that's how I have it in
my mailbox, so why isn't it appearing as
Tim Bunce wrote:
It seems that people wanting to send in a patch have two options: send
it as text/(something) so it's readable on the archive web page but not
copy-n-paste'able because of wordwrapping, or set it as
application/octet-stream so it's downloadable but not readable on the
web
Tim Bunce wrote:
Try this
http://archives.postgresql.org/msgtxt.php?id=20100108124613.gl2...@timac.local
That looks like it dumps the raw message. That'll cause problems for any
messages using quoted-printable encoding. I'd hazard a guess it also
won't do thing right thing for
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Tim Bunce's recent patch has been mangled apparently by the list
archives. He sent it as an attachment, and that's how I have it in
my mailbox, so why isn't it appearing as such in the web archive so
that it can be nicely downloaded? See
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Tim Bunce's recent patch has been mangled apparently by the list
archives. He sent it as an attachment, and that's how I have it in
my mailbox, so why isn't it appearing as such in the web archive so
that it can be nicely downloaded? See
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