Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Richard Huxton wrote: Reworked jquery-based document menu is attached. Untar will produce bin/ and html/ cd .../html cp /path/to/htmldocs/* . ../bin/add_js.pl *html The contents should be on almost all relevant pages, and: - tested on FF3.5, IE7, Opera 9.x - expanded if screen width 800px, closed otherwise - contain all page-headings and sub-page headings - highlight the current page in the tree - provide tooltips for entries that are too wide for the panel Issues: - slow to reload on each page (can be fixed) - based on hacked-together perl (this is temporary) - layout is perhaps a bit cramped? This last one is tricky. I can space it better if I can assume as 1280px width screen. I can space it better if I have a menu that slides out and covers the whole page. Having the menu items wrap onto a second or third line just didn't work. At least I couldn't find a way that made it clear where the separating line between items was without cluttering the whole menu horribly. Settled on not indenting too much, no word-wrap and tooltips. Comments/suggestions/rotten tomatoes? Richard, First, many thanks for doing this. I don't see any comments having been made. I guess either everyone has been busy or they all think it's just fine (or both) :-) I think you are definitely on the right track. I will use this, committed or not. But I'd like to see it finished and committed. Can you fix the 'slow to reload' problem - that is a bit of a pain. I'm not so worried about the use of perl to add the script calls - you need perl to build the docs anyway. It wasn't terribly cramped for me. I'm not sure everyone will want this. Maybe we need to provide with-js-menu and without-js-menu makefile target variants for html. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Peter Eisentraut wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 13:58 +0100, Richard Huxton wrote: 2. Titles on navigation links. Run ./STYLING/title_links.pl and it should add title attributes to the navigation links. This means hovering over the top links gives the title of the page they will go to. Presumably we could do this directly from the sgml source, and I think it's probably worthwhile. I have updated the stylesheet to add a title attribute to the header links. That has about the same effect as your script. Ah, good. My script was only ever intended to demonstrate. That's one item we can tick off. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
David E. Wheeler wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Richard Huxton wrote: For the browser, does the following match what you're after, Andrew? - clicking chapter title opens the browser panel - panel stays open until you click close icon - panel contains collapsable tree of chapter/section headings Alternatively, could just auto-open the browser panel if javascript is enabled and window is wider than N pixels. Why wouldn't the entire TOC be in a collapsed list? Permanently on-screen? My only concern there would be for people viewing on phones etc. In addition we'll presumably want to meet: - no external js libraries (or do we care, if we just reference it from google?) Save yourself the hassle and just bundle jQuery. That's what I've done for Pod::Site (module that builds the Bricolage API browser). It's MIT licensed (well MIT+GPL) which is BSD compatible, but I don't know if that's acceptable. It would be easier for me if it could be bundled and presumably make it easier for other contributors in the future too. - navigation is optional, disabling js leaves docs as at present As long as there's a way to get the nav back from a link on each doc page. - works on all reasonable browsers (anything not IE6) +1 (IE6--) - works online and in downloaded docs (except Windows .chm of course) That'd be nice, too. Offline is crucial as far as I'm concerned. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Richard Huxton wrote: Why wouldn't the entire TOC be in a collapsed list? Permanently on-screen? My only concern there would be for people viewing on phones etc. I have to admit that I'm never looking at the Pg docs on my iPhone. This is mainly because I use them as a reference while hacking, and I'm not (yet) hacking PostgreSQL on my phone. It's MIT licensed (well MIT+GPL) which is BSD compatible, but I don't know if that's acceptable. It would be easier for me if it could be bundled and presumably make it easier for other contributors in the future too. Agreed. IIUC, the MIT license is compatible. Best, David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
David E. Wheeler wrote: On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Richard Huxton wrote: Why wouldn't the entire TOC be in a collapsed list? Permanently on-screen? My only concern there would be for people viewing on phones etc. I have to admit that I'm never looking at the Pg docs on my iPhone. This is mainly because I use them as a reference while hacking, and I'm not (yet) hacking PostgreSQL on my phone. Ah, I _do_ look at them on my Nokia N810 when I'm on the train etc. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:24 AM, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com wrote: On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Richard Huxton wrote: Why wouldn't the entire TOC be in a collapsed list? Permanently on-screen? My only concern there would be for people viewing on phones etc. I have to admit that I'm never looking at the Pg docs on my iPhone. This is mainly because I use them as a reference while hacking, and I'm not (yet) hacking PostgreSQL on my phone. I probably shouldn't admit this, but I've been known to browse the *source code* on my iPhone while bored and daydream about some patch I'm interested in writing. So +1 from me on anything that is good for mobile users. There's no limit to what crazy things people will try to do with a phone. ...Robert -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Did this go anywhere? Richard Huxton wrote: OK, if you untar the attached in the docs dir there are a three separate sets of changes in it. It all functions, but consider it a discussion point rather than a patch. Presumably we'd need to discuss a patch over on the docs mailing-list. 1. Fixed navigation Copy STYLING/stylesheet.css over the existing one and you will have static navigation links top and bottom of the page. 2. Titles on navigation links. Run ./STYLING/title_links.pl and it should add title attributes to the navigation links. This means hovering over the top links gives the title of the page they will go to. Presumably we could do this directly from the sgml source, and I think it's probably worthwhile. With 1+2 I think there's an argument in favour of removing the bottom navigation - it's only useful if you can't see the top links. 3. Javascript popup menu. This uses jquery, but that's just for convenience during discussion. You could rework this without it. Copy STYLING/*.js and STYLING/menu.inc to the docs dir and then run ./STYLING/include_javascript.pl to include the popup script. The central chapter heading section of the top navigation area should now be a link that toggles the menu on/off. The menu could be as simple/complex as you like - this is just what I hacked together by parsing the TOC on index.html -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Did this go anywhere? Well, it was sorta nice but what Richard sent wasn't really what I want, at least, which is more along the lines of the menu David Wheeler uses for the Bricolage API docs. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Did this go anywhere? Well, it was sorta nice but what Richard sent wasn't really what I want, at least, which is more along the lines of the menu David Wheeler uses for the Bricolage API docs. Well, if we nail down the details I'm happy to do the grunt-work. I think #1, #2 (fixed navigation links, titles) are a separate question and just need to be decided upon by those who feel strongly one way or t'other. For the browser, does the following match what you're after, Andrew? - clicking chapter title opens the browser panel - panel stays open until you click close icon - panel contains collapsable tree of chapter/section headings Alternatively, could just auto-open the browser panel if javascript is enabled and window is wider than N pixels. In addition we'll presumably want to meet: - no external js libraries (or do we care, if we just reference it from google?) - navigation is optional, disabling js leaves docs as at present - works on all reasonable browsers (anything not IE6) - works online and in downloaded docs (except Windows .chm of course) -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Richard Huxton wrote: For the browser, does the following match what you're after, Andrew? - clicking chapter title opens the browser panel - panel stays open until you click close icon - panel contains collapsable tree of chapter/section headings Alternatively, could just auto-open the browser panel if javascript is enabled and window is wider than N pixels. Why wouldn't the entire TOC be in a collapsed list? In addition we'll presumably want to meet: - no external js libraries (or do we care, if we just reference it from google?) Save yourself the hassle and just bundle jQuery. That's what I've done for Pod::Site (module that builds the Bricolage API browser). - navigation is optional, disabling js leaves docs as at present As long as there's a way to get the nav back from a link on each doc page. - works on all reasonable browsers (anything not IE6) +1 (IE6--) - works online and in downloaded docs (except Windows .chm of course) That'd be nice, too. Best, David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 13:58 +0100, Richard Huxton wrote: 2. Titles on navigation links. Run ./STYLING/title_links.pl and it should add title attributes to the navigation links. This means hovering over the top links gives the title of the page they will go to. Presumably we could do this directly from the sgml source, and I think it's probably worthwhile. I have updated the stylesheet to add a title attribute to the header links. That has about the same effect as your script. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Peter Eisentraut wrote: I would like to combine all these elements in header and footer, so they both say: Prev Fast Backward Home Fast Forward Next TitleP TitleFBTitleFFTitleN I think this would be much more usable than just the tooltips. +1 BTW I was left wondering why the fast forward link led to chapter 19 while standing on section 19.4, http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/static/client-authentication-problems.html -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Monday 20 July 2009 02:32:01 Alvaro Herrera wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: On Friday 17 July 2009 15:58:27 Richard Huxton wrote: 1. Fixed navigation 2. Titles on navigation links. Yes, the DSSSL stylesheet could do that. Since it seems we can get both of these without interfering with anything else I vote +1 on getting them it. For some historical, arbitrary reason the header and footer links are different: (Header:) Prev Fast Backward Fast Forward Next (Footer:) Prev Home Next Title of Prev Title of Next I would like to combine all these elements in header and footer, so they both say: Prev Fast Backward Home Fast Forward Next TitleP TitleFBTitleFFTitleN I think this would be much more usable than just the tooltips. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Peter Eisentraut wrote: On Friday 17 July 2009 15:58:27 Richard Huxton wrote: 1. Fixed navigation 2. Titles on navigation links. Yes, the DSSSL stylesheet could do that. Since it seems we can get both of these without interfering with anything else I vote +1 on getting them it. 3. Javascript popup menu. This uses jquery, but that's just for convenience during discussion. You could rework this without it. This one looks very good to me too -- I like it better than David Wheeler's, because you just wave it away when you don't need it, saving screen estate. The only change I'd make it is that the righthand menu should have only the entries for the current chapter, not all chapters. But maybe that's just me. -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: On Friday 17 July 2009 15:58:27 Richard Huxton wrote: 1. Fixed navigation 2. Titles on navigation links. Yes, the DSSSL stylesheet could do that. Since it seems we can get both of these without interfering with anything else I vote +1 on getting them it. 3. Javascript popup menu. This uses jquery, but that's just for convenience during discussion. You could rework this without it. This one looks very good to me too -- I like it better than David Wheeler's, because you just wave it away when you don't need it, saving screen estate. The only change I'd make it is that the righthand menu should have only the entries for the current chapter, not all chapters. But maybe that's just me. This failed miserably to render nicely on several browsers on several platforms. I'm pretty sure I followed the instructions correctly. And I disagree about restricting the menu. The whole point is to make it easy to navigate from one part of the docs to another without having to go up the tree. I'm not sure about using third party JS libs that are not BSD licensed, that's probably a non-starter, although MIT is probably fairly close, IIRC. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Friday 17 July 2009 15:58:27 Richard Huxton wrote: 1. Fixed navigation Copy STYLING/stylesheet.css over the existing one and you will have static navigation links top and bottom of the page. Looks good. 2. Titles on navigation links. Run ./STYLING/title_links.pl and it should add title attributes to the navigation links. This means hovering over the top links gives the title of the page they will go to. Presumably we could do this directly from the sgml source, and I think it's probably worthwhile. Yes, the DSSSL stylesheet could do that. 3. Javascript popup menu. This uses jquery, but that's just for convenience during discussion. You could rework this without it. Copy STYLING/*.js and STYLING/menu.inc to the docs dir and then run ./STYLING/include_javascript.pl to include the popup script. The central chapter heading section of the top navigation area should now be a link that toggles the menu on/off. The menu could be as simple/complex as you like - this is just what I hacked together by parsing the TOC on index.html This looks very cool, but should probably be implemented via a stylesheet change instead of some Perl parsing some HTML. :-) I'm not sure if this actually addresses Andrew's original concern, though. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Peter Eisentraut wrote: This looks very cool, but should probably be implemented via a stylesheet change instead of some Perl parsing some HTML. :-) I'm not sure if this actually addresses Andrew's original concern, though. No, it doesn't. David Wheeler's navigation (see upthread) that he uses for the Bricolage docs does, however. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: This looks very cool, but should probably be implemented via a stylesheet change instead of some Perl parsing some HTML. :-) I'm not sure if this actually addresses Andrew's original concern, though. No, it doesn't. David Wheeler's navigation (see upthread) that he uses for the Bricolage docs does, however. Ah, if you can change the overall layout then the world is your shellfish of choice. Would it be possible to include jquery? It's GPL/MIT dual-licence. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Jul 18, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Richard Huxton wrote: No, it doesn't. David Wheeler's navigation (see upthread) that he uses for the Bricolage docs does, however. Ah, if you can change the overall layout then the world is your shellfish of choice. Would it be possible to include jquery? It's GPL/MIT dual-licence. That's what I used for the Bricolage stuff. I still need to fix the encoding issues on Windows, though… Best, David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Jul 16, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: I'm using jQuery to pull the proper doc into a div. I'm still noodling with it, trying to fix encoding issues on Windows, but it's pretty close to done. Yes, that's nice, it's just the sort of thing I had in mind - if you can do it with a div instead of frames I'm fine with that. Yep. If I can solve the bloody encoding issue with Windows, it'll be good to go with Pod docs, and easily portable to any HTML-based docs. Best, David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
OK, if you untar the attached in the docs dir there are a three separate sets of changes in it. It all functions, but consider it a discussion point rather than a patch. Presumably we'd need to discuss a patch over on the docs mailing-list. 1. Fixed navigation Copy STYLING/stylesheet.css over the existing one and you will have static navigation links top and bottom of the page. 2. Titles on navigation links. Run ./STYLING/title_links.pl and it should add title attributes to the navigation links. This means hovering over the top links gives the title of the page they will go to. Presumably we could do this directly from the sgml source, and I think it's probably worthwhile. With 1+2 I think there's an argument in favour of removing the bottom navigation - it's only useful if you can't see the top links. 3. Javascript popup menu. This uses jquery, but that's just for convenience during discussion. You could rework this without it. Copy STYLING/*.js and STYLING/menu.inc to the docs dir and then run ./STYLING/include_javascript.pl to include the popup script. The central chapter heading section of the top navigation area should now be a link that toggles the menu on/off. The menu could be as simple/complex as you like - this is just what I hacked together by parsing the TOC on index.html I've tested it on Firefox, Opera, IE7 and Safari. Realistically, the only real problem platforms will be IE6 and perhaps iphones. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd STYLING.tgz Description: application/compressed-tar -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Hey Andrew, Check out what I've done for the Bricolage documentation: http://www.bricolagecms.org/docs/devel/api/ I'm using jQuery to pull the proper doc into a div. I'm still noodling with it, trying to fix encoding issues on Windows, but it's pretty close to done. Best, David -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
David E. Wheeler wrote: On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Hey Andrew, Check out what I've done for the Bricolage documentation: http://www.bricolagecms.org/docs/devel/api/ I'm using jQuery to pull the proper doc into a div. I'm still noodling with it, trying to fix encoding issues on Windows, but it's pretty close to done. Yes, that's nice, it's just the sort of thing I had in mind - if you can do it with a div instead of frames I'm fine with that. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
On Wednesday 15 July 2009 02:27:32 Richard Huxton wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Richard Huxton wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Are you talking about the online manuals, or something else here? I don't care if we don't provide this for the online manuals on postgresql.org - I'm quite happy to install it on my own server if necessary. But I am talking about the HTML docs that come from our /doc directory. And I bet if we had the option of better navigation, our online users would want us to provide it. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with something reasonable with a little css. Something only activated if javascript is turned on or some such. Give me 48 hours and I'll have a play. You just have to generate the full ToC on every HTML page and then use the right CSS to make it float where you want it. I suspect that that method might make the build very slow, though. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
All, For a very long time I have thought that it would be useful to have some sort of navigation menu for the docs Oh yes, pretty please :) Navigating the docs requires far too much use of the back button and up links, IMNSHO. A menu frame would make them far more usable. No, please, no frame! Really... Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. I know some people have a violent aversion to frames, but I don't. They have legitimate uses. Frames are (imho) very difficult to maintain. An easy alternative is use of floating divs, possibly combined with javascript to make it fit nicely to the window size. That way, 'breadcrumb' is always visible. And I believe it is a lot easier to set up and maintain (generate) Just my 2ct HTH Regards, Serge Fonville -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Hi, Le 14 juil. 09 à 22:17, Andrew Dunstan a écrit : For a very long time I have thought that it would be useful to have some sort of navigation menu for the docs Oh yes, pretty please :) Navigating the docs requires far too much use of the back button and up links, IMNSHO. A menu frame would make them far more usable. No, please, no frame! Really... What I'm thinking about is to extend current breadcumb at the top of the page to include chapter, section, subsection. So that for exemple the following page: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/datatype-geometric.html#AEN5480 Would have at its top: Home → Documentation → Manuals → PostgreSQL 8.3 → Data Types → Geometric Types → Points Well the last entry, Points, I'm not so sure about. But I think you get the idea. Regards, -- dim -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Hi, Le 14 juil. 09 à 22:17, Andrew Dunstan a écrit : For a very long time I have thought that it would be useful to have some sort of navigation menu for the docs Oh yes, pretty please :) Navigating the docs requires far too much use of the back button and up links, IMNSHO. A menu frame would make them far more usable. No, please, no frame! Really... Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. I know some people have a violent aversion to frames, but I don't. They have legitimate uses. What I'm thinking about is to extend current breadcumb at the top of the page to include chapter, section, subsection. So that for exemple the following page: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/datatype-geometric.html#AEN5480 Would have at its top: Home → Documentation → Manuals → PostgreSQL 8.3 → Data Types → Geometric Types → Points Well the last entry, Points, I'm not so sure about. But I think you get the idea. Compared with what things like doxygen or webhelp give you it's not remotely what I want. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Le 15 juil. 09 à 00:21, Andrew Dunstan a écrit : Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Ok we don't share the same needs here, and I get what you're after. I know some people have a violent aversion to frames, but I don't. They have legitimate uses. Agreed, but even when they do, I find I'm not shortening the time needed to find my link. Here the navigation frame will either contain too much entries to be useful (you'll need to scroll around), or will have some expand/collapse tree that will make you click way to much to be proficient in your search. IMO. Compared with what things like doxygen or webhelp give you it's not remotely what I want. Ok. Regards, -- dim -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Are you talking about the online manuals, or something else here? -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Richard Huxton wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Are you talking about the online manuals, or something else here? I don't care if we don't provide this for the online manuals on postgresql.org - I'm quite happy to install it on my own server if necessary. But I am talking about the HTML docs that come from our /doc directory. And I bet if we had the option of better navigation, our online users would want us to provide it. cheers andrew -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Richard Huxton wrote: Andrew Dunstan wrote: Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Are you talking about the online manuals, or something else here? I don't care if we don't provide this for the online manuals on postgresql.org - I'm quite happy to install it on my own server if necessary. But I am talking about the HTML docs that come from our /doc directory. And I bet if we had the option of better navigation, our online users would want us to provide it. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with something reasonable with a little css. Something only activated if javascript is turned on or some such. Give me 48 hours and I'll have a play. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
2009/7/15 Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net: Dimitri Fontaine wrote: What I'm thinking about is to extend current breadcumb at the top of the page to include chapter, section, subsection. So that for exemple the following page: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/datatype-geometric.html#AEN5480 Would have at its top: Home → Documentation → Manuals → PostgreSQL 8.3 → Data Types → Geometric Types → Points Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Even if we are going to have some kind of tree-based navigation sidebar beastie, I would be a hearty +1 in favour of doing Dmitri's breadcrumb suggestion anyway. I think we can agree that a full breadcrumb/ancestry trail is superior to Up/Home, and unlike the sidebar nav idea doesn't require any fancy scripting shenanigans or possible browser compatibility strife. Compared with what things like doxygen or webhelp give you it's not remotely what I want. So let's have both. Cheers, BJ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: [HACKERS] navigation menu for documents
Brendan Jurd escribió: 2009/7/15 Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net: Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Would have at its top: Home → Documentation → Manuals → PostgreSQL 8.3 → Data Types → Geometric Types → Points Yes, really. What you suggest here is just not adequate, IMNSHO. I don't want to have to scroll to the top or bottom of the page to get navigation, and I want to be able to see the navigation and go where I want directly. Even if we are going to have some kind of tree-based navigation sidebar beastie, I would be a hearty +1 in favour of doing Dmitri's breadcrumb suggestion anyway. I would agree that the breadcrumbs are a good idea, except that I'm confused about it including the complete website navigation (instead of just the docs). IMO the list should be Home → Data Types → Geometric → Types → Points (where Home points to the top of 8.3 docs). What happened to the contest for a website redesign anyway? -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
