Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Balazs Wellisch wrote: > > Bill, > > Very interesting results. I'd like to command you on your honesty. > Having started out with the intentions of proving that FreeBSD is faster > than Linux only to find that the opposite is true must not have been > rewarding for you. However, these unexpected

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > I'm likely going to make this the default for PostgreSQL on FreeBSD > > starting with 7.4 (just posted something to -hackers about this)f. If > > you'd like to do this in your testing, just apply the following patch. > > > > Right now PostgreSQL defaults to 8K bl

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-29 Thread Bill Moran
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they should be. Take them for what they are and hopefully everyone can learn a few things from them. Intelligent feedback is welco

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-29 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> I'm likely going to make this the default for PostgreSQL on FreeBSD > starting with 7.4 (just posted something to -hackers about this)f. If > you'd like to do this in your testing, just apply the following patch. > > Right now PostgreSQL defaults to 8K blocks, but FreeBSD uses 16K > blocks which

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-29 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> > As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or > > more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they > > should be. Take them for what they are and hopefully everyone can > > learn a few things from them. > > > > Intelligent feedback is welcome. > >

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-29 Thread Bill Moran
Shridhar Daithankar wrote: On 26 Aug 2003 at 21:47, Bill Moran wrote: Hey all. I said I was going to do it, and I finally did it. As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they should be. Take them f

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Sean Chittenden
> >> I need to step in and do 2 things: > SC> Thanks for posting that. Let me know if you have any questions while > SC> doing your testing. I've found that using 16K blocks on FreeBSD > SC> results in about an 8% speedup in writes to the database, fwiw. > > ok.. ignore my prior request about ho

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread scott.marlowe
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Sean Chittenden wrote: > > What it still leaves quite open is just what happens when the OS has > > more than one disk drive or CPU to play with. It's not clear what > > happens in such cases, whether FreeBSD would catch up, or be "left > > further in the dust." The traditio

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Vivek Khera
> "SC" == Sean Chittenden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I need to step in and do 2 things: SC> Thanks for posting that. Let me know if you have any questions while SC> doing your testing. I've found that using 16K blocks on FreeBSD SC> results in about an 8% speedup in writes to the databas

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Vivek Khera
> "SC" == Sean Chittenden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I need to step in and do 2 things: SC> Thanks for posting that. Let me know if you have any questions while SC> doing your testing. I've found that using 16K blocks on FreeBSD SC> results in about an 8% speedup in writes to the databas

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Sean Chittenden
> I need to step in and do 2 things: Thanks for posting that. Let me know if you have any questions while doing your testing. I've found that using 16K blocks on FreeBSD results in about an 8% speedup in writes to the database, fwiw. I'm likely going to make this the default for PostgreSQL on F

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread Bill Moran
I need to step in and do 2 things: First, apologize for posting inaccurate test results. Second, verify that Sean is absolutely correct. FreeBSD 4.8 was accessing the drives in PIO mode, which is significantly lousier than DMA, which RedHat was able to use. As a result, the tests are unreasonab

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Sean Chittenden
> What it still leaves quite open is just what happens when the OS has > more than one disk drive or CPU to play with. It's not clear what > happens in such cases, whether FreeBSD would catch up, or be "left > further in the dust." The traditional "propaganda" has been that > there are all sorts

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Al Hulaton
http://www.potentialtech.com/wmoran/postgresql.php -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com Adding my voice to the many, thanks for sharing your results Bill. Very instructive. -- Best, Al Hulaton| Sr. Account Engineer | Command Prompt, Inc. 503.222.2783 | [EMAIL

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread Tomka Gergely
2003-08-28 ragyogó napján Ludek Finstrle ezt üzente: > > Intelligent feedback is welcome. > > > > http://www.potentialtech.com/wmoran/postgresql.php > > Good work. But I can't find information about xfs. Do you plan to add > this one FS in test? http://mail.sth.sze.hu/~hsz/sql/ -- Tomka Gerge

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread Tomka Gergely
2003-08-28 ragyogó napján Christopher Browne ezt üzente: > A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Balazs Wellisch") > wrote: > > Very interesting results. I'd like to command you on your honesty. > > Having started out with the intentions of proving that FreeBSD is faster

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Rod Taylor
Couple of questions: What was the postgresql.conf configuration used? Default? How many threads of the script ran? Looks like a single user only. I assume there was nothing else running at the time (cron, sendmail, etc. were all off?) Do you know whether the machines were disk or I/O bound? Wa

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread Jeff
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > > Intelligent feedback is welcome. > That's some good work there, Lou. You'll make sgt for that someday. But I think the next step, before trying out other filesystems and options would be concurrency. Run a bunch of these beasts together and see what happ

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Christopher Browne
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Balazs Wellisch") wrote: > Very interesting results. I'd like to command you on your honesty. > Having started out with the intentions of proving that FreeBSD is faster > than Linux only to find that the opposite is true must not have

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Ludek Finstrle
> Intelligent feedback is welcome. > > http://www.potentialtech.com/wmoran/postgresql.php Good work. But I can't find information about xfs. Do you plan to add this one FS in test? Luf ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 20:47, Bill Moran wrote: > Hey all. > > I said I was going to do it, and I finally did it. > > As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or > more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they > should be. Take them for what the

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 20:47, Bill Moran wrote: > Hey all. > > I said I was going to do it, and I finally did it. > > As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or > more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they > should be. Take them for what the

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

2003-08-28 Thread Dennis Björklund
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or > more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they > should be. Take them for what they are and hopefully everyone can > learn a few things from them. What versio

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On 26 Aug 2003 at 21:47, Bill Moran wrote: > Hey all. > > I said I was going to do it, and I finally did it. > > As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or > more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they > should be. Take them for what they a

Re: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Balazs Wellisch
e the integrity of your tests. Thanks for all the work. Balazs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Moran Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance

[PERFORM] The results of my PostgreSQL/filesystem performance tests

2003-08-28 Thread Bill Moran
Hey all. I said I was going to do it, and I finally did it. As with all performance tests/benchmarks, there are probably dozens or more reasons why these results aren't as accurate or wonderful as they should be. Take them for what they are and hopefully everyone can learn a few things from them