On 29 Apr 2014, at 02:24, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Tudor Girba-2 wrote
There is a point of view from which one could say that
Pharo is Smalltalk by seeing Smalltalk as a movement, rather than specific
implementation. Unfortunately, everyone else thinks of Smalltalk as a
On 29 April 2014 03:48, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
Plays well with choose your favorite text editor (Sublime, Vim,
etc.) and IDEs (RubyMine, etc.), with source control systems (any file
based system), with unix in general (several cli commands),
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On 2014-04-28 17:17, Ben Coman wrote:
1. The most kick ass thing I can think of would go something like this...
The most kick ass thing I can think of is...
- Have a Pharo World being interfaced to an amber frontend, so you can
use your image through your browser.
... on second
The problem is that sometimes we overestimate how important play well with
others is.
In python we have the cpython vs jython / ironpython . Cpython is the
popular choice which is python implemented in C. Ironpython is a compiler
of python for .NET and jython a compiler for Java.
The advantage
how about the other way around ?
Pharo being the front end , the IDE for amber, using Pharo to live code a
website. That would be a very cool demo. Especially if Amber could leverage
the Pharo debugger.
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Markus Fritsche mfrits...@reauktion.dewrote:
On
On 29 Apr 2014, at 11:03, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
how about the other way around ?
Pharo being the front end , the IDE for amber, using Pharo to live code a
website. That would be a very cool demo. Especially if Amber could leverage
the Pharo debugger.
I’m trying to
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I don't understand, this is old, no ?
On 29 Apr 2014, at 12:03, GitHub nore...@github.com wrote:
Log Message:
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30841
13136 Pharo3Theme scrollbars looking like dead without visual indicators
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13136
Hi,
We will upload a new image and a V30Sources for 30 841.
I will send a mail when it is done.
Marcus
yes, but I added a last minute modification (restoring old colors, but keeping
the rest of the changes).
almost everyone asked for it in private, so since I found some time, I did it.
Esteban
On 29 Apr 2014, at 12:16, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
I don't understand, this is
I actually liked the new ones ...
But OK, we'll see.
On 29 Apr 2014, at 12:31, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote:
yes, but I added a last minute modification (restoring old colors, but
keeping the rest of the changes).
almost everyone asked for it in private, so since I found some
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Hi,
We have a sources file for Pharo3!
http://files.pharo.org/sources/PharoV30.sources.zip
http://files.pharo.org/sources/PharoV30.sources
The image that goes with it is 30 842 or newer.
zipped image is now 5MB smaller due to the empty changes.
http://files.pharo.org/image/30/
this
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After Condense Changes, writing a new source file and cleaning the image a bit:
- Size of image zip file down to 9MB (from 17). Uncompressed: 21MB
- sources .zip is 5.5 MB. Uncompressed: 26.5MB
So not that bad… considering it contains quite a lot new code and still a lot
of duplication.
On Apr 29, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Markus Fritsche mfrits...@reauktion.de wrote:
1. The most kick ass thing I can think of would go something like this...
The most kick ass thing I can think of is...
- Have a Pharo World being interfaced to an amber frontend, so you can use
your image
S Krish wrote
labelling ( falsely ), that will give no impact / or add any value to the
perception of people.
This is the crux of it. It perfectly illustrates two misunderstandings:
1. The idea that Smalltalk-inspired is false. This is a classic Blind
men and an elephant problem [1]. As I
Tested on Mac OS X:
$ mkdir pharo3
$ cd pharo3/
$ curl get.pharo.org/vm | bash
$ curl get.pharo.org/30 | bash
$ ./pharo-ui Pharo.image
Loaded some configurations, ran some tests, recompiled all. All OK.
Super !
On 29 Apr 2014, at 12:53, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi,
We
People introduced to amber is highly unlikely to be aware of Pharo but that
does not change the fact that if you as Amber tell this coder hey I also
offer a very powerful IDE instead of hey I also offer a very basic IDE
it will be obviously a big plus for him.
I just dont think diverting
2014-04-29 4:42 GMT-03:00 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com:
On 29 April 2014 03:48, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
So the play well with others is a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are no
bindings because there are no people to write them because there are no
bindings...
On Apr 29, 2014, at 9:35 AM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that Amber and Pharo should be merged, maybe not as code bases or
not as projects or websites or whatever but as communities. The way I see it
both work towards the same goal, making the Smalltalk voice heard
I was talking mainly about the IDE and other areas where Pharo and Amber
overlap. I think Amber is awesome for what it is and should be kept
developed independently.
If your ass is being kicked by AngularJS https://angularjs.org/ or
Meteorhttps://www.meteor.com/ because
you reach the goal faster
Am 29.04.2014 um 14:19 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu:
Tested on Mac OS X:
$ mkdir pharo3
$ cd pharo3/
$ curl get.pharo.org/vm | bash
$ curl get.pharo.org/30 | bash
$ ./pharo-ui Pharo.image
Just a side note. You know there is a
get.pharo.org/30+vm
?
Norbert
Loaded
Sorry I meant Do you seriously believe people will give *up* JS for Amber
alternatives ?
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
I was talking mainly about the IDE and other areas where Pharo and Amber
overlap. I think Amber is awesome for what it is and
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:05, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote:
Am 29.04.2014 um 14:19 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu:
Tested on Mac OS X:
$ mkdir pharo3
$ cd pharo3/
$ curl get.pharo.org/vm | bash
$ curl get.pharo.org/30 | bash
$ ./pharo-ui Pharo.image
Just a side
2014-04-28 23:48 GMT-03:00 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com:
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
Plays well with choose your favorite text editor (Sublime, Vim,
etc.) and IDEs (RubyMine, etc.), with source control systems (any file
based system), with unix in general (several cli commands), has
Great news!!!
Thanks people.
Hopefully in Pharo 4 we won't need source files anymore :)
Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-04-29 7:53 GMT-03:00 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
Hi,
We have a sources file for Pharo3!
http://files.pharo.org/sources/PharoV30.sources.zip
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Without any information on what has been changed these GitHub messages are
almost pure noise. It's more than tedious to expect someone to follow the link
to get more info. Can the system not include at least the commit comment?
Eliot (phone)
On Apr 29, 2014, at 4:12 AM, GitHub
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:29, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote:
Without any information on what has been changed these GitHub messages are
almost pure noise. It's more than tedious to expect someone to follow the
link to get more info. Can the system not include at least the commit
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On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:42, Sebastian Sastre sebast...@flowingconcept.com wrote:
On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Nicolas Petton petton.nico...@gmail.com wrote:
I’m trying to convince Nico to do that for *ages* but he does not sees
the advantages/coolness of that approach.
Esteban,
Am 29.04.2014 um 15:22 schrieb Nicolas Petton petton.nico...@gmail.com:
Esteban Lorenzano writes:
Pharo being the front end , the IDE for amber, using Pharo to live code a
website. That would be a very cool demo. Especially if Amber could leverage
the Pharo debugger.
I’m trying to
Hi Marcus,
On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:31 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:29, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote:
Without any information on what has been changed these GitHub messages are
almost pure noise. It's more than tedious to expect
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
This is my point, who uses WebDAV as its file support?
It is a workaround to enable file based development. A VERY CLEVER
one, but still.
A tool is always a layer of abstraction over the real model. I wouldn't say
it's any more of a workaround than a System Browser
On 29 Apr 2014, at 16:39, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:51, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:34, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:32, Robert Shiplett grshipl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote:
Who is people? Is it inside Inria? If not it might be a good idea to make it
visible to the public so a few more people could chime in.
Norbert
That question brings us to:
Get the Heck Out of the Building in Founder’s
On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:03 AM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
is this not the cases if you cannot beat them join them ? Do you seriously
believe Amber or Pharo can compete AngularJS , correct me if I am wrong, when
behind this framework is Google itself ?
Against is a no-chance
Moose passed all tests.
I am trying it on Mac OS X and I see no troubles.
Great job!
Doru
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
On 29 Apr 2014, at 16:39, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:51, Marcus Denker
Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
This is my point, who uses WebDAV as its file support?
It is a "workaround" to enable file based development. A VERY CLEVER
one, but still.
A tool is always a layer of abstraction over the real model. I wouldn't say
On Apr 29, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote:
Why do some people prefer rock music and others classical music? Its about
the patterns they know. Our brains naturally try to cram each experience
into a pattern it already knows. I remember when I used to dislike Jazz
Maximiliano Taborda wrote
http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~maxi/Aconcagua
There is also http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~HernanWilkinson/Aconcagua
Most importantly, which should be considered canonical? Also, from which
version of the original Aconcagua package did you extract all the
Aconcagua-*
Some feedback on the Pharo 3.0 Release welcome text.
---
From watching the Ruby conference video from another recent thread, use
of the word immersive really caught my attention.
As well, from another recent thread, newcomers probably don't care if
its Smalltalk - either actual or inspired.
I’ve wanted to let you know that I’ve just saw Dan Ingalls presentation on the
Lively Kernel and he also set emphasis in immersive
:)
On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:52 PM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote:
Some feedback on the Pharo 3.0 Release welcome text.
---
From watching the Ruby
Just to add... looking back (I wasn't there at the time) when Pharo
forked from Squeak, it seems cleaning and innovating were two
significant points you wanted differentiate from Squeak for Smalltalker
insiders. Now a few years on, that is probably firmly established and
you can start
Ben Coman wrote
Just to add
...
Some feedback on the Pharo 3.0 Release welcome text.
btw, it would be really cool if URLs within comments were
automatically identified and clickable to launch an external browser.
I like everything in this thread.
As for clickable URLs, I've been thinking
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