Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Oh, I see now. Where was the fix committed? Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote: 2014-10-04 23:13 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com: Hi, On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.mora...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Doru

Re: [Pharo-dev] Inspector steals my Window !

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
This is why the Preview should be static. For the Morph preview we simply render the form. Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote: Inspect in playground (inspect it from menu or with the play-icon): |t| t:=TextModel new. t title:'Test'. t openWithSpec

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread stepharo
On 4/10/14 22:10, Hernán Morales Durand wrote: Sorry if following issues were reported. I have seen so many mails about GT that I wanted to try it. These are my first notes and personal tastes, don't take them as negative just want to provide some feedback: - First weird thing: The

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread stepharo
On 4/10/14 22:43, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Hernán, Thanks for the feedback. Just a question: Was there anything you do like? :) The rest of the reply is inline. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.mora...@gmail.com mailto:hernan.mora...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry

Re: [Pharo-dev] Athens and TxText Re: About ways to participate in community and general negativity

2014-10-05 Thread stepharo
Thanks this is a great initiative. On 4/10/14 22:21, Nicolai Hess wrote: 2014-10-04 12:11 GMT+02:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr mailto:steph...@free.fr: What are the plans to integrate TxText? - Igor is taking clients one by one and improving txText. We got a new

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Esteban, I know it's a usability principle, but usability should also take into account culture. Programmers are not every-day users, and the assumptions we take should adapt to their needs. This is why it is worth exploring what might or might not be needed. I cannot believe that programmers

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 05 Oct 2014, at 09:55, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com mailto:esteba...@gmail.com wrote: On 05 Oct 2014, at 08:43, stepharo steph...@free.fr mailto:steph...@free.fr wrote: On 4/10/14 22:43,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Browser on a single class

2014-10-05 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Yes, but as I’ve mentioned earlier, I’m interested in drag-n-drop recategorization. I don’t know if it’s doable with glamour. Uko On 04 Oct 2014, at 15:58, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: and this is same with glamour: browser := GLMTabulator new row: [ :row |

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue 14160: Introduce isXXX dialect testing methods to SmalltalkImage to ease cross-dialect development

2014-10-05 Thread Johan Brichau
It’s true that when you do a lot of cross-dialect development, such a method is often what you desire. However, I think it’s better to do feature detection instead of dialect detection. So, something like: ((Smalltalk includesKey: #CharacterWriteStream) ifTrue:[ stream := CharacterWriteStream

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: On 05 Oct 2014, at 09:55, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: On 05 Oct 2014, at 08:43, stepharo steph...@free.fr

Re: [Pharo-dev] Browser on a single class

2014-10-05 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
lazy Yury browser := GLMTabulator new row: [ :row | row column: #protocols; column: #methods ]; row: #code; yourself. browser transmit to: #protocols;

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread kilon alios
If I was coding God that was able to code at coding speed 120WPM (Words Per Minute) then yes I would not even consider using anything but shortcuts but my speed is more like 120 WPH (Words Per Hour) which is more like 20 lines of code and that is a very optimistic scenario. So I find myself in

Re: [Pharo-dev] Browser on a single class

2014-10-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Nice ;-) On 05 Oct 2014, at 11:56, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: lazy Yury browser := GLMTabulator new row: [ :row | row column: #protocols; column: #methods ]; row: #code;

Re: [Pharo-dev] Inspector steals my Window !

2014-10-05 Thread Andrei Chis
I made the preview tab only show a static picture of the morph and renamed the title to Morph. Now it's like for Morph and Glamour. Still it seems that clicking on a morph only works when inspecting Morph objects, and not Spec or Glamour ones. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Tudor Girba

Re: [Pharo-dev] Inspector steals my Window !

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks! Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Andrei Chis chisvasileand...@gmail.com wrote: I made the preview tab only show a static picture of the morph and renamed the title to Morph. Now it's like for Morph and Glamour. Still it seems that clicking on a morph only works when inspecting

Re: [Pharo-dev] History of the .image

2014-10-05 Thread Hilaire
Le 04/10/2014 16:16, David T. Lewis a écrit : On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 04:00:15PM +0200, Hilaire wrote: Hello, I am curious. What is the history of the Pharo image? I know it is forked from Squeak, but then from where does come the Squeak image? How and when was it build from its source code

Re: [Pharo-dev] Browser on a single class

2014-10-05 Thread Nicolai Hess
Yes, Glamour is cool. But two issues (can you solve them? :) ) 1. the source list is not updated, the dragged method is still visible in the old protocol until you change the selected protocol item 2. (critical) the image hangs if you drop the methods list item in the methods list. 2014-10-05

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread kmo
I don't even use shortcuts for copy and paste. I can't be much of a programmer. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GT-first-impressions-tp4782636p4782710.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Browser on a single class

2014-10-05 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 05 Oct 2014, at 13:21, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote: Yes, Glamour is cool. But two issues (can you solve them? :) ) 1. the source list is not updated, the dragged method is still visible in the old protocol until you change the selected protocol item 2. (critical) the image

Re: [Pharo-dev] Browser on a single class

2014-10-05 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
On 05 Oct 2014, at 11:56, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: lazy Yury I’m just not so UI hacker as you are :). Thanks! browser := GLMTabulator new row: [ :row | row column: #protocols;

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, My remark was not meant to be derogative. If it came out like this, I apologize. I simply stated what my assumption was. You prove to refute my assumption (at least for your specific case). Cheers, Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 1:35 PM, kmo vox...@gmail.com wrote: I don't even use

[Pharo-dev] structuring widget examples

2014-10-05 Thread stepharo
Hi guys I started to systematically defined widget example using the pragram exampleWidget rowPrototype Answer a prototypical row self rowPrototype openInHand exampleWidget | sampleMorphs aRow | sampleMorphs := (1 to: (2 + 3 atRandom)) collect: [:integer |

[Pharo-dev] [GT] seeing morph **And** textpane

2014-10-05 Thread stepharo
Hi andrei/doru When I inspect a morph I only see it, while when I look at state I see the variables and the textpane to evaluate expression. I think that the expression is really important in the inspector and we should see it all the time. Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread kmo
Doru - Don't take me too seriously. There was no offence. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GT-first-impressions-tp4782636p4782721.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Ok :) Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, kmo vox...@gmail.com wrote: Doru - Don't take me too seriously. There was no offence. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GT-first-impressions-tp4782636p4782721.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list

Re: [Pharo-dev] [GT] seeing morph **And** textpane

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Indeed, this is something I would like since quite a while. Of course, we could add the evaluator at the bottom of everything (I tried that), but this will take away from the interaction and make up for an ugly UI. What I would want is a kind of a pane that appears/disappears on demand. We still

Re: [Pharo-dev] structuring widget examples

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Stef, Great. GT is already prepared for this :). If you define a gtExample on the class side, you will get an E.g. tab with those examples. It's called gtExample because we did not want to interfere with other pragmas, but perhaps we can change it to eg, or example. What do you think?

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Coman
kmo wrote: I've raised two issues on the GT playground: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14158/Navigation-buttons-icons-at-bottom-of-GT-playground-are-meaningless-unintuitive

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Indeed. But just having a good contrast solves the problem quite well, I believe, because it is gets more easily noticeable. Cheers, Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: kmo wrote: I've raised two issues on the GT playground:

Re: [Pharo-dev] structuring widget examples

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Coman
Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Stef, Great. GT is already prepared for this :). If you define a gtExample on the class side, you will get an E.g. tab with those examples. It's called gtExample because we did not want to interfere with other pragmas, but perhaps we can change it to eg, or example.

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-fuel] Updates for Pharo4

2014-10-05 Thread Max Leske
On 04.10.2014, at 07:26, Stéphane Ducasse stef...@free.fr wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:21, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: I fixed a couple of issues and failing tests for Pharo4. There’s also a couple of new things (e.g. test cases for Context instead of MethodContext) that

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue 14160: Introduce isXXX dialect testing methods to SmalltalkImage to ease cross-dialect development

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Coman
Johan Brichau wrote: It’s true that when you do a lot of cross-dialect development, such a method is often what you desire. However, I think it’s better to do feature detection instead of dialect detection. +1 and others agree... (though on the net its possible to find material to support

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Coman
Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Esteban, I know it's a usability principle, but usability should also take into account culture. Programmers are not every-day users, and the assumptions we take should adapt to their needs. This is why it is worth exploring what might or might not be needed. I cannot

Re: [Pharo-dev] About ways to participate in community and general negativity

2014-10-05 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
2014-10-03 17:03 GMT-03:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: On 3/10/14 18:56, Hernán Morales Durand wrote: I have the same feeling. Pharo is yours, but I take the main decisions. Actually it feels a little bit insulting, I am using Pharo since several years in a domain which nobody works with

Re: [Pharo-dev] structuring widget examples

2014-10-05 Thread stepharo
On 5/10/14 15:10, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Stef, Great. GT is already prepared for this :). If you define a gtExample on the class side, you will get an E.g. tab with those examples. It's called gtExample because we did not want to interfere with other pragmas, but perhaps we can change it to

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Esteban, I know it's a usability principle, but usability should also take into account culture. Programmers are not every-day users, and the assumptions we take should adapt to their needs.

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 05 Oct 2014, at 18:24, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com mailto:b...@openinworld.com wrote: Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Esteban, I know it's a usability principle, but usability should also take into account

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 32845c: 40284

2014-10-05 Thread GitHub
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[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2014-10-05 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/40284 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT first impressions

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Coman
Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com mailto:b...@openinworld.com wrote: Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Esteban, I know it's a usability principle, but usability should also take into account culture. Programmers are not

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread kmo
By video controls I meant /first, previous, next, last /buttons - but that's not a good idea now I think about it. I still think page numbers might be better than dots. But, as you say, I managed to use the dots so they can't be that bad, Still, I think the dots would look more obviously like

Re: [Pharo-dev] structuring widget examples

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Stef, I was not clear. The E.g. presentation for a class lists all examples. So, it is expected that we get more examples for a class. Take a look at the attached screenshot showing the examples of FileReference. Let's call it example and then we use it consistently throughout the system. Is

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue 14160: Introduce isXXX dialect testing methods to SmalltalkImage to ease cross-dialect development

2014-10-05 Thread Jan Vrany
On Sun, 2014-10-05 at 10:29 +0200, Johan Brichau wrote: It’s true that when you do a lot of cross-dialect development, such a method is often what you desire. However, I think it’s better to do feature detection instead of dialect detection. So, something like: ((Smalltalk includesKey:

[Pharo-dev] [ANN] flow: a living full-stack #‎framework for the web

2014-10-05 Thread Sebastian Sastre
Hi guys, I’m sharing slides of my presentation at CampSmalltalkVI2014 http://www.slideshare.net/sebastianconcept/flow-39897704 From flow’s readme at github: Flow's mission is to provide consultants, startups and software houses with a competitive Smalltalk full-stack framework that allows

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] [ANN] Test Coverage with Hapao

2014-10-05 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Maximiliano! The legend problem is now fixed. Can you double check please? What would be the best way to exclude some methods? This question slightly rephrased: how do you run Hapao? Programmatically or using the World menu? Cheers, Alexandre On Oct 2, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Maximiliano

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue 14160: Introduce isXXX dialect testing methods to SmalltalkImage to ease cross-dialect development

2014-10-05 Thread Paul DeBruicker
Would using Metacello's knowledge of the platform work for you? e.g. (MetacelloPlatform current defaultPlatformAttributes includes: '#squeak') ifTrue:[ ... ] (MetacelloPlatform current defaultPlatformAttributes includes: '#pharo1.2') . (MetacelloPlatform current defaultPlatformAttributes

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue 14160: Introduce isXXX dialect testing methods to SmalltalkImage to ease cross-dialect development

2014-10-05 Thread David T. Lewis
Speaking as the maintainer of an external package (OSProcess/CommandShell) I agree with both Stef and Johan. Feature detection is better, because pharo (or squeak, or gemstone) is meaningless over time as the dialect changes. If you need to test for some feature, it is better to test for it

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] flow: a living full-stack #‎framework for the web

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Sebastian, Interesting. Is there a relation between flow and Tide? Cheers, Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Sebastian Sastre sebast...@flowingconcept.com wrote: Hi guys, I’m sharing slides of my presentation at CampSmalltalkVI2014

[Pharo-dev] WhatsUp from: 2014-10-06 until: 2014-10-19

2014-10-05 Thread seaside
Hi! We're sending this automatic email twice a month, to give the community an opportunity to easily know what's happening and to coordinate efforts. Just answer informally, and feel free to spawn discussions thereafter! ### Here's what I've been up to since the last WhatsUp: -

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] flow: a living full-stack #‎framework for the web

2014-10-05 Thread S Krish
Abs great .. !.. https://github.com/flow-stack/flow have yet to install and check if it has any issues in my system. Will check it out, infact have a hackathon to see if this can be tried out on it. Nice framework to demo Smalltalk to the crowd in a banking world.. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Phil, Sorry for the late reply. I cannot reproduce the stepping problem. Do you have a specific case? Run to here exists. It is a contextual action that depends on the cursor position. Hence, it is mapped in the context menu. Cheers, Doru On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:07 PM,

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] flow: a living full-stack #‎framework for the web

2014-10-05 Thread S Krish
The links has the step by step. I am running it as I type.. * For newbies on linux a mention of dependencies viz installing git / curl/ npm , node.js and bower and any others reqd would be great.. Anyways will post my attempt note in a few min.. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Sven Van