[Pharo-users] Nice Pharo teaser in English?

2018-06-18 Thread Andrei Stebakov
I remember there used to be a nice Pharo teaser video at the top of pharo.org which had some catchy images for data visualization etc. Now all I can see is this link https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qedvo and it's in French. Could someone point me to the old teaser I am referring to? Thanks!

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

2018-06-18 Thread PBKResearch
Vincent Many thanks - at last a clear explanation of how to get it going. I tried this with the Launcher I downloaded yesterday, and was able to launch the template versions of Pharo 6.1 and Pharo 7. The only problem was that I am not familiar with the Launcher interface, and I had to search

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

2018-06-18 Thread Vincent.Blondeau
Hi all, Indeed, the Windows environment is not the one where Pharo is working the best. Last week, I tried to install it on one of my coworker desktop and there was some issues that was solvable with some workarounds, it is temporary and the windows support will be improved soon: I'm

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
yes, we have bad support for windows. Period. we try to improve in that, but is hard and takes time… there are lots of small details that needs to be taken care in all fronts (from VM to UI, traversing all layers)… but we will get there, one step at a time. And with the help of those in the

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Nothing, that's precisely my point! So we don't need to talk about balls size, with the implicit gender assumptions about courage and the "Macho Programmer" way of argumentation, that is toxic in *other* communities for minorities (non white, non cisgender, non male) which usually repeals them for

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Travis Ayres
"And don’t tell me you count the windows developers that are driven away from a user program like PharoLauncher that is not working properly." Why not? On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:05 AM Norbert Hartl wrote: > > > Am 18.06.2018 um 19:19 schrieb horrido : > > Developers are users, and many users

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Travis Ayres
What does not talking like an asshole have to do with being white and male? ...seriously? On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:31 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > > > On 18/06/18 09:47, Herbert Vojčík wrote: > > Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Iceberg v1.1.1

2018-06-18 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Great - thank you! Might be a small patch release - but nonetheless important. BTW: the links in your mail are pointing to PR's of Pharo and not Iceberg. If you used          a template you might want to consider changing it.     Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juni 2018 um 17:47 Uhr Von: "Guillermo

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread p...@highoctane.be
I am developing on Windows and using the launcher. Also on Linux and macOS. In a corp environment, Windows rules. So make it work there if you want any traction. The laucher now works nicely on Windows. But the files are not the right ones on the download page. So fixing that will go a

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Norbert Hartl
> Am 18.06.2018 um 19:19 schrieb horrido : > > Developers are users, and many users are developers. > Ah, I’m not sure what value this sentence adds. The point is that the market share you were referring to is users that are not developers. > What kind of developers are you counting?

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
On 18/06/18 09:47, Herbert Vojčík wrote: >>> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong >>> decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him >>> revert to working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the >>> bottleneck atm. >> >> First, it was MY

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

2018-06-18 Thread Vincent.Blondeau
From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of PBKResearch Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 13:15 To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?) Vincent Many

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

2018-06-18 Thread Vincent.Blondeau
From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Sean Glazier Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 12:36 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?) Do you need

Re: [Pharo-users] Why doesn't Iceberg checkin other assets (scripts) but does check them out?

2018-06-18 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
On 15/06/2018 20:00, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Phew - I can confirm that (unsurprisingly I guess) - just committing in > Iceberg (without ticking - push changes to origin/master) does then let > you easily overlay the same checked out project (typically > ./iceberg/ProjectName) in a tool like VSCode

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute to Pharo Launcher?

2018-06-18 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Ok - I’ve done a save for both packages - hopefully they are useful: Name: PharoLauncher-Spec-TimM.70 Author: TimM Time: 18 June 2018, 5:32:00.928101 pm UUID: 5e888bd7-4e2b-0d00-85bb-537409965ccd Ancestors: PharoLauncher-Spec-TimM.69 Name: PharoLauncher-Core-TimM.172 Author: TimM Time: 18 June

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread horrido
Developers are users, and many users are developers. What kind of developers are you counting? Microsoft/Windows/.NET developers represent a huge number, especially in the enterprise market. If these developers are going to explore alternative tools like Java, Ruby, Pharo, Common Lisp, etc.,

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Tim Mackinnon
> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong decision That’s a bit provocative - I think the launcher is pretty good, and helps ensure people get correct versions of things as well as feel more comfortable checking out newer Pharo’s (like 7) or other projects. I’ll admit

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute to Pharo Launcher?

2018-06-18 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
On 18/06/2018 17:27, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Hi Cyril - I have to confess that I don’t recall what the steps are to safely > commit in Monticello. I have smallish changes to 2 packages Core and Spec, > and I can see that smalltalkhub repo in the MC browser and can browse my > changes against it

[Pharo-users] [Ann] Iceberg v1.1.1

2018-06-18 Thread Guillermo Polito
Hi everybody, This week we have a small patch release of Iceberg, version v1.1.1. This version will be available in the next Pharo build. In summary, this release fixes two issues with the new credentials manager, and introduces a couple of other enhancements/bugfixes. Below you will find the

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] Iceberg v1.1.1

2018-06-18 Thread Norbert Hartl
Thanks again for the new things. Just a little maneuver critique. The amount of changes you did should be iceberg 1.2.0 and 1.1.1. Versions are cheap ;) and everything which is not really a hot-fix should be a new minor version. Norbert > Am 18.06.2018 um 17:47 schrieb Guillermo Polito : > >

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Norbert Hartl
> Am 18.06.2018 um 16:16 schrieb horrido : > > Lack of enough Windows users? What platform are most Pharoers using? > > I'm using macOS, but this platform has only about 12% market share. Linux > has about 2%. > Your mixing users and developers. I don’t have numbers but I’m pretty sure if

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread James Foster
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Herbert Vojčík wrote: > > Esteban Lorenzano wrote on 18. 6. 2018 16:04: >> please restrain your self to talk like that in the future. Is rude and >> unnecessary. > > I won't. Sometimes it seems this kind of talk is needed. Windows launcher was > not working

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute to Pharo Launcher?

2018-06-18 Thread Tim Mackinnon
While I’m at it - improve the icon for Launch without Settings (it needed Alpha) Name: PharoLauncher-Core-TimM.174 Author: TimM Time: 18 June 2018, 6:11:54.416337 pm UUID: d9433566-4f2b-0d00-85be-afca09965ccd Ancestors: PharoLauncher-Core-TimM.173 Sorry - can’t help with the windows launch

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Herbert, I too invite you to reconsider your language. Please stick to arguments. This is a public forum and its communication hygiene depends on everyone’s behavior. Now, tackling your point: in this specific case, even your argument is incorrect. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [ann] gt documenter

2018-06-18 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Thanks. About the next steps: We mostly think in terms of the overall goal, and the concrete next steps somehow happen. For us the end goal is a moldable environment that integrates all workflows related to development. Documentation is one of those development activities that are both

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread horrido
Lack of enough Windows users? What platform are most Pharoers using? I'm using macOS, but this platform has only about 12% market share. Linux has about 2%. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík > herby@ > wrote: >> >> >> >> horrido wrote on 18. 6.

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Herbert Vojčík
Esteban Lorenzano wrote on 18. 6. 2018 16:04: On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík wrote: horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04: This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds (undocumented or hard to find). I care that Windows is a most popular development

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute to Pharo Launcher?

2018-06-18 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Hi Cyril - I have to confess that I don’t recall what the steps are to safely commit in Monticello. I have smallish changes to 2 packages Core and Spec, and I can see that smalltalkhub repo in the MC browser and can browse my changes against it - but how do I commit both packages in there? I

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Herbert Vojčík
horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04: This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds (undocumented or hard to find). I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care about Pharo's

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík wrote: > > > > horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04: >> This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds >> (undocumented or hard to find). >> I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that >> newcomers to

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Most are using macOS (which can be considered more or less homogeneous since most mac users do update to recent versions at no cost). Many people are using Linux too, both with UI and for servers. But since there are lots of Linux distributions, supporting a large portion of them is lots of

[Pharo-users] Confusion for Pharo MOOC

2018-06-18 Thread horrido
I just discovered a huge source of confusion for the Pharo MOOC. There are two different websites that seem disconnected. One presents information on the next Pharo MOOC session, and the other doesn't. https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/course-v1:inria+41010+session03/about http://mooc.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute to Pharo Launcher?

2018-06-18 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
On 18/06/2018 17:15, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Given Pharo Launcher is a bit in the limelight, I’m a bit nervous > contributing blindly. Can someone point me/advice me towards how to safely > push changes to StHub? > > As I mentioned, I’ve added a last-modified column as well as fixing the >

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

2018-06-18 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík wrote: > > > > horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04: >> This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds >> (undocumented or hard to find). >> I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that >> newcomers to

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute to Pharo Launcher?

2018-06-18 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Given Pharo Launcher is a bit in the limelight, I’m a bit nervous contributing blindly. Can someone point me/advice me towards how to safely push changes to StHub? As I mentioned, I’ve added a last-modified column as well as fixing the broken status bar in PL (it looks like spec is a bit

Re: [Pharo-users] Lost in stream

2018-06-18 Thread monty
They still use (binary) StandardFileStreams on Pharo and Squeak. But since it's done through dynamically chosen file stream factory classes (XMLFileReadStreamFactory and XMLFileWriteStreamFactory), it's easy add support for other stream classes. (The GemStone compat .mcz adds factories for

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

2018-06-18 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
H :-), On 16/06/18 18:12, horrido wrote: > FYI, I am trying to jumpstart a Smalltalk programming competition. Read all > about it here. > > > > My plan is to use Pharo for this competition, even if it makes

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

2018-06-18 Thread horrido
I appreciate what you're saying, and certainly the things you want to see funded are worthwhile. However, the goals for my programming competition are quite different, for example: #1 – raise the public profile of Smalltalk across a broad swath of the population in Canada and other countries.