Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-29 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
"I once had a guy who wasn't telling younger team members that he wasn't able to read their document due to too small fonts. We are talking C level executives here..." You mean he was embarrassed to admit he could not read small fonts ? How small we talking here bellow 12 point size ? On Tue,

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-29 Thread p...@highoctane.be
White all over Smalltalks UIs are a reason why I do *not* use them. Dark Pharo: good. Properly themeable Pharo with a palette and logical color mappings: nirvana. I hope to contribute to that. I did some GToolkit dark theming but it was too late for 6.0 so maybe for 7. Try to code against a

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-29 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
80s was the time of home computer with 1985 the rise of Amiga which was light years ahead of theme support, it practically established GUIs, GPU, dedicated hardware components, gaming, computer graphics and of course 3d graphics, together with many other things. Plus a theme was super easy to make

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Markus Stumptner
On 28/08/17 06:07, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: I completely agree - dark mode is great for content that you want to look cool, but no one consumes. :-) You assume wrong cause dark themes have been dominating GUIs for over 3 decades now. Not really; bright on dark was only dominant in

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Dark Gmail, Dark Twitter, Wikipedia... etc no problem with Stylish. https://userstyles.org/styles/browse?search_terms=gmail Or make your own - here are a few I made. https://userstyles.org/users/304480 I should do a dark Pharo.org :-) Phil On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Dimitris Chloupis

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Dimming a LED screen is a bad idea. It flickers because of PWM. My older Dell CCFL monitor feels better than brand new LED things with brightness down. http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull=1362457985 Nvidia drivers are indeed a good thing! Phil On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Alexandre, Sure, I have swimming files from my Garmin Swim watch and I'd love to graph them in Roassal/Datatable/Pharo. Hope we are talking about the same format. Phil On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi Phil, > > Yes, I wrote a FIT file

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Actually what you say makes no sense to me because my monitor is already at bare minimum. Its not the intensity, its the contrast. The problem obviously is not an exposure of 30 minutes. The mail I am writing now has a white background. But its not a problem because I spent an 1 hour tops with

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Peter Uhnák
Or you people can just dim your screen instead of staring into a 60W lightbulb... then the theme doesn't matter. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Ups… I think this FIT file format is for something else… > > Alexandre > -- >

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Ups… I think this FIT file format is for something else… Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Aug 28, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Phil, Yes, I wrote a FIT file parser. FIT is used to store “scientific” images, in particular for astronomy and medicine. Do you want the code? Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Richard Sargent
On the history of screens and light versus dark... [The TL;DR answer is "technological limitations of the era."] Way back, in the days when Smalltalk was but a gleam in its fathers' eyes, we had CRT technology. You know, magnetic coils sweeping a beam of electrons across a phosphor coated glass

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
up OK. But I still don’t like it. > > > > Peter Kenny > > > > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > PBKResearch > Sent: 27 August 2017 23:48 > To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Subject

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread p...@highoctane.be
You can eat eggs all you want provided you burn the calories. They are shock full of amino acids. Cholesterol is a precursor of testosterone, so, no cholesterol is going to put a man in a bad place. Eggs and heavy deadlifts and squats. Yay, feel the burn. Speaking of which: anyone have a .fit

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Tim Mackinnon
To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org > <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > Dimitris > > Screenshot attached. Look particularly at the text in the right-hand page of > the playground. Also the

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Nutrition wise, scientists always agreed that eggs contained pretty much everything the body needs. Problem was cholesterol which the egg does significant rise. The fact that did change was that high cholesterol is bad, some doctors would argue even deadly for ones health. Problem was that this

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread H. Hirzel
On 8/28/17, Davorin Rusevljan wrote: > If I can throw in my 2c, themes are like nutrition facts. When I was a kid > eggs were the healthiest thing to consume in universe. Then they were a > root of all evil, and now days are nutrition packed food. In the meantime

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Davorin Rusevljan
If I can throw in my 2c, themes are like nutrition facts. When I was a kid eggs were the healthiest thing to consume in universe. Then they were a root of all evil, and now days are nutrition packed food. I have observed similar circles in background color usability. Pharo has ability to choose a

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread p...@highoctane.be
well. Retinal detachment in both, and cataract on the right >> one. Loads of floaters. >> >> Light mode kills them. >> >> Dark theme : can code for hours without any trouble. >> >> At the office I am at now 90% of coders are using dark themes. >>

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
noying, I have my own little hack to make > them better. > When a control bugs you, bring a halo and try to reverse the form, usually > makes things readable. > > Phil > > >> >>> Just my 2p worth >>> >>> Peter Kenny >>> >>> -Ori

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
nt:* 27 August 2017 23:48 > > > *To:* 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > > > Dimitris > > > > Screenshot attached. Look particularly at the text in the right-hand page > of the

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-28 Thread p...@highoctane.be
mes. Indeed the windows buttons are annoying, I have my own little hack to make them better. When a control bugs you, bring a halo and try to reverse the form, usually makes things readable. Phil > >> Just my 2p worth >> >> Peter Kenny >> >> -Original Message-

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread PBKResearch
n...@lists.pharo.org> ] On Behalf Of stephan Sent: 27 August 2017 21:46 To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matte

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
tephan > Sent: 27 August 2017 21:46 > To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matter of preference > > is also a matter of biology . Not

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread PBKResearch
-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of stephan Sent: 27 August 2017 21:46 To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matter of preference > is also a matter of b

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
no offence my friend, even when i did not understand the joke. I am completely respectful of the people who find it hard to work with a dark theme and I always stated that Pharo should have both, ideally ever more themes. Of course we don't have the size of the community to do that. Ideally Pharo

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Alistair Grant
Hi Dimitris, On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 08:37:56PM +, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > I completely agree - dark mode is great for content that you want to > look cool, but no one consumes. :-) I actually meant this in jest, which is why it has the smiley face afterwords. I don't know

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
what research institute reached that conclusion the same institute that claims that Pharo and Git cannot mix ? Please say to your institute to do a simple search on google search and put two words "code editor" and then click the "images" section and then say hello to reality. In the first 40

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread stephan
On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matter of preference is also a matter of biology . Not all eyes are same. The research is pretty clear: a large majority of developers does better with light themes. I have been sufficiently clear on

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
> Kilon has blue-ish theme (I don't think he published it anywhere), > The theme is called Nireas , its a dark theme based on blue color and is inspired by the best computer of all time. Amiga 500. Nireas is also a special theme because its a themable theme. It comes with a GUI that allows you

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
> > > I completely agree - dark mode is great for content that you want to > look cool, but no one consumes. :-) > You assume wrong cause dark themes have been dominating GUIs for over 3 decades now. Pharo was the rare exception of using a white theme. Light themes may be popular but white are

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Peter Uhnák
> Too bad Pharo isn't themable. If you don't know whether it is themable, you can just ask instead of issuing statements. ;) I've also seen Sublimish theme (don't know where the repo is), Dark Metal Theme ( https://github.com/estebanlm/themes ), Kilon has blue-ish theme (I don't think he

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Tim Mackinnon
It's also a single click in the Welcome screen - which is maybe too obvious ;) Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Aug 2017, at 03:17, horrido wrote: > > Oh, cool! I didn't realize that. (I've never had a need to look at Settings.) > > Thanks. > > > > -- > View this

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-27 Thread Alistair Grant
On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 03:40:04PM -0700, horrido wrote: > I found this interesting article > > > . I wanted to express my opinion... > > Dark mode looks cool and all, but it does have a

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-26 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
Le 27/08/2017 à 02:52, Damien Pollet a écrit : > Sure it is… AFAIK the light theme is still available in the settings > There is also the possibility to do it through the welcome window. -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques Prévert 01, 59650 Villeneuve

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-26 Thread horrido
Oh, cool! I didn't realize that. (I've never had a need to look at Settings.) Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Dark-Mode-tp4964409p4964436.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-26 Thread Damien Pollet
Sure it is… AFAIK the light theme is still available in the settings On 27 August 2017 at 00:40, horrido wrote: > I found this interesting article > for-people-like-molly-watt-ae9fdc38479f> > . I wanted to

[Pharo-users] Dark Mode

2017-08-26 Thread horrido
I found this interesting article . I wanted to express my opinion... Dark mode looks cool and all, but it does have a downside. I was very happy with the normal Pharo 5.0 look, but when Pharo 6.0