Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Like all things this also is going in cycles. Mailing lists are definitely a waning interest of the masses. On 5/10/19 1:05 AM, SN Medved via Phono-L wrote: Some people have retired from the hobby, some have passed. From its heyday the list today is 10% of its former glory when people asked to be removed because of all the emails. The hobby in general is the same way. Each year the shows I have been to get smaller. Prices go down. The world famous Ron Sitko told me this past year has been great for him because people who own family phonographs are buying parts for them. At the Orlando show I got three reproducers to do, one was from a man whose grandfather owned the machine. I remember when Ron D, I and others were discussing a subject and we were chastised for too many emails. I used to save a lot of emails from the phonolists, now over the past three years I think I have saved one to my computer. Steve Medved *From:* Phono-L on behalf of Bob Maffit via Phono-L *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:08 AM *To:* 'Antique Phonograph List' *Cc:* Bob Maffit *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Listers: I had been wondering what had happened to the list and its members, as very little was happening. Well, it looks like we are still around. Recently, I had inquired about a phono part and did get a reply. When initiated, the list works. Bob Maffit *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] *On Behalf Of *Jim Nichol via Phono-L *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:34 PM *To:* Antique Phonograph List *Cc:* Jim Nichol *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]*On Behalf Of*Mike Tucker via Phono-L *Sent:*Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM *To:*'Antique Phonograph List' *Cc:*mtucker1...@gmail.com <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> *Subject:*Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker *From:*Phono-L <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>>*On Behalf Of*Ron L'Herault via Phono-L *Sent:*Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM *To:*phonol...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique Phonograph List' <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> *Cc:*Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>> *Subject:*[Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fphono-l.org%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Ca961c8fdca17488218a708d6d43ab7c2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636929745983018075=NujM
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Some people have retired from the hobby, some have passed. From its heyday the list today is 10% of its former glory when people asked to be removed because of all the emails. The hobby in general is the same way. Each year the shows I have been to get smaller. Prices go down. The world famous Ron Sitko told me this past year has been great for him because people who own family phonographs are buying parts for them. At the Orlando show I got three reproducers to do, one was from a man whose grandfather owned the machine. I remember when Ron D, I and others were discussing a subject and we were chastised for too many emails. I used to save a lot of emails from the phonolists, now over the past three years I think I have saved one to my computer. Steve Medved From: Phono-L on behalf of Bob Maffit via Phono-L Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:08 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Bob Maffit Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Listers: I had been wondering what had happened to the list and its members, as very little was happening. Well, it looks like we are still around. Recently, I had inquired about a phono part and did get a reply. When initiated, the list works. Bob Maffit From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol via Phono-L Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:34 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Jim Nichol Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com<mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique Phonograph List' mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> Cc: Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>> Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fphono-l.org%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Ca961c8fdca17488218a708d6d43ab7c2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636929745983018075=NujMHwtAoCuc61%2F67wK31MAGNDzs8CphLd%2BSWCmF1%2Fk%3D=0> Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org<mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mail
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
I’m here, too! I just didn’t have anything useful to add! From: Phono-L On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 10:26 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I was hoping my little jest would prompt some reaction from list members. Facebook has really screwed up mailing list participation but I still find the mailing list a better/easier way to share info and/or get help. Ron L From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser via Phono-L Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 11:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Peter Fraser Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’m still here too! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com <mailto:pjfra...@mac.com> On May 7, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> > wrote: Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> > wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L From: Phono-L [ <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrankorg] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> mtucker1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L < <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com> phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' < <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Ron L'Herault < <mailto:lhera...@verizon.net> lhera...@verizon.net> Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list <http://phono-l.org/> http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Listers: I had been wondering what had happened to the list and its members, as very little was happening. Well, it looks like we are still around. Recently, I had inquired about a phono part and did get a reply. When initiated, the list works. Bob Maffit From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol via Phono-L Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:34 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Jim Nichol Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L From: Phono-L [ <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> mtucker1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L < <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com> phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' < <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Ron L'Herault < <mailto:lhera...@verizon.net> lhera...@verizon.net> Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list <http://phono-l.org/> http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Ron, I totally agree with you about Facebook! Still lurking, Dennis > On May 8, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > wrote: > > I was hoping my little jest would prompt some reaction from list members. > Facebook has really screwed up mailing list participation but I still find > the mailing list a better/easier way to share info and/or get help. > > Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
I was following your thread Ron, but had nothing to offer. Had checked some of my references and nothing at all shows up for a Little Wonder. Thank you, Great Lakes Antique Phonograph George Vollema 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com On 5/8/2019 10:25 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: I was hoping my little jest would prompt some reaction from list members. Facebook has really screwed up mailing list participation but I still find the mailing list a better/easier way to share info and/or get help. Ron L *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Fraser via Phono-L *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2019 11:49 PM *To:* Antique Phonograph List *Cc:* Peter Fraser *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’m still here too! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com <mailto:pjfra...@mac.com> On May 7, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrankorg <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>]*On Behalf Of*Mike Tucker via Phono-L *Sent:*Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM *To:*'Antique Phonograph List' *Cc:*mtucker1...@gmail.com <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> *Subject:*Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker *From:*Phono-L mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>>*On Behalf Of*Ron L'Herault via Phono-L *Sent:*Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM *To:*phonol...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique Phonograph List' mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> *Cc:*Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>> *Subject:*[Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> Unsubscribe:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
It is much easier to find replies. Stuff on FB just disappears and there is no way to search. -Barry On 5/8/2019 10:25 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: I was hoping my little jest would prompt some reaction from list members. Facebook has really screwed up mailing list participation but I still find the mailing list a better/easier way to share info and/or get help. Ron L *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Fraser via Phono-L *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2019 11:49 PM *To:* Antique Phonograph List *Cc:* Peter Fraser *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’m still here too! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com <mailto:pjfra...@mac.com> On May 7, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrankorg <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>]*On Behalf Of*Mike Tucker via Phono-L *Sent:*Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM *To:*'Antique Phonograph List' *Cc:*mtucker1...@gmail.com <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> *Subject:*Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker *From:*Phono-L mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>>*On Behalf Of*Ron L'Herault via Phono-L *Sent:*Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM *To:*phonol...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique Phonograph List' mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> *Cc:*Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>> *Subject:*[Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> Unsubscribe:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
I was hoping my little jest would prompt some reaction from list members. Facebook has really screwed up mailing list participation but I still find the mailing list a better/easier way to share info and/or get help. Ron L From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser via Phono-L Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 11:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Peter Fraser Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’m still here too! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On May 7, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L wrote: Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L From: Phono-L [ <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrankorg] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> mtucker1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L < <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com> phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' < <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Ron L'Herault < <mailto:lhera...@verizon.net> lhera...@verizon.net> Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list <http://phono-l.org/> http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Thanks Jim. Ron From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol via Phono-L Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 11:34 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Jim Nichol Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by 018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L From: Phono-L [ <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> mtucker1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L < <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com> phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' < <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Ron L'Herault < <mailto:lhera...@verizon.net> lhera...@verizon.net> Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list <http://phono-l.org/> http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
I’m still here too! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com > On May 7, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L > wrote: > > Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve > only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did > find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak > spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after > traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft > wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the > governor shaft, and all was well. > > Jim Nichol > >> On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L >> wrote: >> >> The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which >> seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS >> Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I >> think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the >> reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. >> >> Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO >> one else commented. >> >> >> Ron L >> >> From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker >> via Phono-L >> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' >> Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems >> >> Ron, >> >> What is the width of the spring? >> >> The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby >> Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape >> holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. >> >> For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. >> >> I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Mike Tucker >> >> From: Phono-L On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via >> Phono-L >> Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM >> To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' >> >> Cc: Ron L'Herault >> Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems >> >> I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical >> only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The >> governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are >> pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad >> sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows >> half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long >> and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a >> dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the >> upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? >> Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or >> flat disk there?Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, >> width, thickness of the gov. springs? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron L >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol > On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > wrote: > > The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which > seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS > Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I > think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the > reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. > > Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO > one else commented. > > > Ron L > > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems > > Ron, > > What is the width of the spring? > > The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby > Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape > holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. > > For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. > > I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Tucker > > From: Phono-L <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM > To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique > Phonograph List' mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> > Cc: Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>> > Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems > > I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical > only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The > governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are > pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad > sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows > half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long > and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a > dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the > upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? > Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or > flat disk there?Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, > width, thickness of the gov. springs? > > Thanks, > > Ron L > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
The old spring was 5/8 by .018. Ive just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. Its a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think Im going to try a counter weight on the tone arm to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8 record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½ x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16 x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ive been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. Ive got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. Its tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there?Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Thanks, Mike. I could not find a listing in Honest Quaker either. I have not removed the spring yet. Ron L From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½ x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16 x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ive been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. Ive got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. Its tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there?Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½ x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16 x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker From: Phono-L On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ive been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. Ive got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. Its tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there?Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
