RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Drews
I have it on the BSDs and Solaris too. But most people don't. It doesn't come in as a standard in most operating systems. ok, point for you Zeev, but Emile did not say, you should stop delivering .tar.gz, but in addition offer this .bz2 thing. So why not, if at least those modem-users

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-20 Thread Emiliano
Wolfgang Drews wrote: delivering .tar.gz, but in addition offer this .bz2 thing. So why not, if at least those modem-users would benefit of it? Could benefit, not would benefit. They'd need to download and install bzip2 first. Emile -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To

RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Drews
delivering .tar.gz, but in addition offer this .bz2 thing. So why not, if at least those modem-users would benefit of it? Could benefit, not would benefit. They'd need to download and install bzip2 first. yes, sorry for this one (my english is especially on tuesday mornings very

RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-20 Thread Zeev Suraski
Guys, I didn't put any words in Emile's mouth. I know he didn't suggest stopping to distribute .gz files. I was just describing the full 'logical path' to why I don't think that using bzip2 is a very hot idea. Essentially I was saying (a) We can't give up .gz/.zip (b) .bz2 isn't all that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Peter \[DiSAStA]\ Petermann
what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? We have about 70 change entries in NEWS. Some of the changes are fundamentally needed for some extensions to work correctly or to compile at all. mh.. what about php-gtk? is it going to be included in release? im not sure if

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Thies C. Arntzen
On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 09:31:01AM +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote: Hi, what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? We have about 70 change entries in NEWS. Some of the changes are fundamentally needed for some extensions to work correctly or to compile at all.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Emiliano
Cameron wrote: i'll agree its about due for release, can we do SOMETHING about the download size tho? i dont really have any ideas on decent ways to shrink it but it seems to be bloating to me. could do with the mcrypt fix's and zeev's output buffer fix 1st tho . . . Hum, having just

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Cynic
I would welcome the win32 distributions packed with bzip2 as well. This algorithm is superior to anything else I know (well, at least in compression ratio), and is available to win32 users as well. Not only as a commandline tool, but as a plugin for the very popular wincmd32 too. Anything

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Derick Rethans
Cameron wrote: since sending this email i have been thinking a lot about it. bzip2 is fine for many sys admins but we have the problem of the redhat users (dont take this the wrong way please) that have used no other distributions and have only ever installed an rpm before, for these users

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Phil Driscoll
any other suggestions? There has been talk on here, or maybe on the QA list about a web page where you tick the items you want, and just download the necessary components. Maybe this was just in the context of PEAR - I can't remember. Anyway, is anyone working on this? It seems to be a good

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Cynic wrote: I would welcome the win32 distributions packed with bzip2 as well. This algorithm is superior to anything else I know (well, at least in compression ratio), and is available to win32 users as well. Not only as a commandline tool, but as a plugin for the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Cameron
Phil Driscoll wrote: any other suggestions? There has been talk on here, or maybe on the QA list about a web page where you tick the items you want, and just download the necessary components. Maybe this was just in the context of PEAR - I can't remember. Anyway, is anyone working on this?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Cameron wrote: Phil Driscoll wrote: There has been talk on here, or maybe on the QA list about a web page where you tick the items you want, and just download the necessary components. that is pretty simple, make the client who is compiling the source do a ./buildconf first. if noone is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: we had a related idea to not include extensions considered experimental like ext/zziplib that marked by an EXPERIMENTAL file in their ext dir I'm not a supporter of this, the Sablotron is marked EXPERIMENTAL, but it should definitely be in the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Sergey Kartashoff
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Derick Rethans wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Sascha Schumann wrote: what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? Let me know your thoughts. Sounds like a good idea, but I would like to fix the bugs in the mcrypt extension before this release. What about

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Cynic
At 15:05 19.2. 2001, Derick Rethans wrote the following: -- On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Cynic wrote: I would welcome the win32 distributions packed with bzip2 as well. This algorithm is superior to anything else I know (well, at least in

RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread James Moore
Hum, having just contributed to said download size... we've done our best to minimize the KLOC, removing some cruft and moving a couple of functions into a (separate) library, but we'd be down to stripping comments to go further... the only other thing I could suggest is using bzip2

RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Hellekin O. Wolf
Can we propose extensions outside of the main distribution ? I like the idea of downloading what you want. Through a form, you would chose the extensions you need, then submit and receive a custom GZIP or BZ2 file. It sounds doable. Any constraint, dependency to work out ? Yes, the m4

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Emiliano
"Hellekin O. Wolf" wrote: Can we propose extensions outside of the main distribution ? I like the idea of downloading what you want. Through a form, you would chose the extensions you need, then submit and receive a custom GZIP or BZ2 file. It sounds doable. Any constraint, dependency

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread André Langhorst
I would welcome the win32 distributions packed with bzip2 as well. This algorithm is superior to anything else I know (well, at least in compression ratio), and is available to win32 users as well. Not only as a commandline tool, but as a plugin for the very popular wincmd32 too.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 09:31 AM 2/19/2001 +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote: Hi, what do people think about a PHP 4.0.5 release? We have about 70 change entries in NEWS. Some of the changes are fundamentally needed for some extensions to work correctly or to compile at all. Let me know

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Zeev Suraski
I want to fix chunked output buffering for 4.0.5 (it doesn't work right at all in 4.0.4). I think it'll take me about 10 days (I'll probably not have time to work on it this week). About bzip2 - my personal opinion is that we should probably not bother with it. It's slower and it's much

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread André Langhorst
I want to fix chunked output buffering for 4.0.5 (it doesn't work right at all in 4.0.4). I think it'll take me about 10 days (I'll probably not have time to work on it this week). glad to hear this, I think this is *definitely* worth waiting... :) andr -- Andr Langhorstt: +49

Re: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 07:51 20/2/2001, Emiliano wrote: Zeev Suraski wrote: About bzip2 - my personal opinion is that we should probably not bother with it. It's slower and it's much less standard (there's a world beyond Linux, remember). I have it on the BSDs and Solaris too. But most people don't. It

RE: [PHP-DEV] Time for 4.0.5?

2001-02-19 Thread Chris Newbill
I'm not sure what all has been suggested, so sorry if this has been already. Why not just make a simple form and avoid clutter completely? (ie all the links) Could allow them to choose source/binary, os, PHP version, compression format, etc. Chris Newbill Zeev Suraski wrote: About bzip2 -