Re: [PHP] Structured PHP studying
On Friday 23 April 2010 07:45:16 Michiel Sikma wrote: On 23 April 2010 13:15, David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net wrote: Is there a good strategy to studying PHP? For instance, is there a way to break everything down into small managable topics? -- Blessings, David M. Just build what you want to build and look things up when necessary. The biggest part of learning any language is becoming able to creatively solve problems within its realm of possibilities, and that's something you can't really learn just by reading and solving textbook problems. Hands-on experience is a very important key to understanding. Keep an open mind, ask people for answers if things get difficult, always assume that there's a better way to do something, and in a while you'll be able to write perfectly decent programs. This is the route I have been following for the past couple years and I have always assumed there is a better way to do something and that is, in a way what makes me lose confidence. I always feel like my code is crap and sometimes even ashamed to even show any of it. -- Blessings, David M. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Structured PHP studying
On Friday 23 April 2010 10:15:46 Paul M Foster wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 07:15:11AM -0400, David McGlone wrote: Is there a good strategy to studying PHP? For instance, is there a way to break everything down into small managable topics? Obviously, a good book will help. I'd recommend O'Reilly's Programming PHP. Some of this also depends on whether you have a background in programming. It's easier if you already know how to code in a different language; then you really mostly need to know the differences between the languages. If you want to learn without the benefit of a book, then I'd suggest looking over existing beginning programming books for various languages. My observation is that they generally follow a pattern. They deal with variable naming and types, then legal operations on those types, then control structures, then functions, etc. (That may not be accurate; as I said, look over the books themselves.) Most/all of this information can be obtained from the php.net site. Ashley's suggestion of coding a project is an outstanding idea. Coding is a practical art, and requires practical application to be worth anything. I have coded a couple sites. One for my brother-in-law, but I hate that site so bad, I'm ashamed to even say I did it. He chose the layout and colors and told me exactly where he wanted everything, and it's IMHO absolutely horrible. There is some code that I wrote for that site that did make me feel good for coming up with and although it works, most of the code for that site gets on my nerves. It gives me the feeling that it's very unorganized, and poorly written. -- Blessings, David M. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
Hi, I have created a PHP file, and wrote a string of Farsi letters in it. In the head section of the HTML, I put: META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=UTF-8 There appears to be something wrong with Apache, or something, because no matter whether I put that string in an echo statement or just in an HTML with a php extention, the page loads as jibberish and I have to set the character encoding to UTF-8 manually in Firefox. Renaming that same file to .htm (when not using the echo statement), and loading it in the browser shows me the correct Farsi characters. Should I change something in Apache's settings for this to work? Thanks! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
On 24 April 2010 14:45, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a PHP file, and wrote a string of Farsi letters in it. In the head section of the HTML, I put: META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=UTF-8 There appears to be something wrong with Apache, or something, because no matter whether I put that string in an echo statement or just in an HTML with a php extention, the page loads as jibberish and I have to set the character encoding to UTF-8 manually in Firefox. Renaming that same file to .htm (when not using the echo statement), and loading it in the browser shows me the correct Farsi characters. Should I change something in Apache's settings for this to work? Thanks! No, that should work perfectly fine. Are you sure that the PHP file itself is utf-8? Could it be that you manually set the text encoding to something else in your browser, causing it to remember that setting? Perhaps you could link us to the page itself so we can have a look. Note that the best place to put that meta tag is right after the opening head tag, before any other header information. Michiel
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
On 23 April 2010 16:16, Kevin Kinsey k...@daleco.biz wrote: I've still got a Win98 box in service somewhere around here; I use it for audio recording. Someone (possibly even me) renamed most of the desktop icons ... OE's shortcut is Outluck Depress. :-) Kevin D. Kinsey Say what you will about Windows 9x systems, but they (and especially Windows 95) ran rather well on just 60 MHz. Sure, computers are constantly getting faster, but fortunately software developers keep coming up with new ways to make us wait. :) Michiel
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 15:44 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: On 23 April 2010 16:16, Kevin Kinsey k...@daleco.biz wrote: I've still got a Win98 box in service somewhere around here; I use it for audio recording. Someone (possibly even me) renamed most of the desktop icons ... OE's shortcut is Outluck Depress. :-) Kevin D. Kinsey Say what you will about Windows 9x systems, but they (and especially Windows 95) ran rather well on just 60 MHz. Sure, computers are constantly getting faster, but fortunately software developers keep coming up with new ways to make us wait. :) Michiel Sounds like a decent reason to try Linux then. Linux performs pretty admirably on older kit. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 15:38 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: On 24 April 2010 14:45, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a PHP file, and wrote a string of Farsi letters in it. In the head section of the HTML, I put: META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=UTF-8 There appears to be something wrong with Apache, or something, because no matter whether I put that string in an echo statement or just in an HTML with a php extention, the page loads as jibberish and I have to set the character encoding to UTF-8 manually in Firefox. Renaming that same file to .htm (when not using the echo statement), and loading it in the browser shows me the correct Farsi characters. Should I change something in Apache's settings for this to work? Thanks! No, that should work perfectly fine. Are you sure that the PHP file itself is utf-8? Could it be that you manually set the text encoding to something else in your browser, causing it to remember that setting? Perhaps you could link us to the page itself so we can have a look. Note that the best place to put that meta tag is right after the opening head tag, before any other header information. Michiel If renaming the file as .htm shows the characters correctly, then the .php file is most likely saved as utf8. Maybe Apache has been instructed to send all HTML with another encoding, as it should send it out with the same encoding as the requested PHP script. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Structured PHP studying
On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:14 AM, David McGlone wrote: On Friday 23 April 2010 07:45:16 Michiel Sikma wrote: On 23 April 2010 13:15, David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net wrote: Is there a good strategy to studying PHP? For instance, is there a way to break everything down into small managable topics? -- Blessings, David M. Just build what you want to build and look things up when necessary. The biggest part of learning any language is becoming able to creatively solve problems within its realm of possibilities, and that's something you can't really learn just by reading and solving textbook problems. Hands-on experience is a very important key to understanding. Keep an open mind, ask people for answers if things get difficult, always assume that there's a better way to do something, and in a while you'll be able to write perfectly decent programs. This is the route I have been following for the past couple years and I have always assumed there is a better way to do something and that is, in a way what makes me lose confidence. I always feel like my code is crap and sometimes even ashamed to even show any of it. I feel the some way sometimes... when I look back on some of the stuff that I wrote when I first started compared to today it's amazing the difference in such a short period of time... But I take comfort in knowing that I have stuff looking nicer then it was when I started... I'm making progress :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Structured PHP studying
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 07:14 -0400, David McGlone wrote: On Friday 23 April 2010 07:45:16 Michiel Sikma wrote: On 23 April 2010 13:15, David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net wrote: Is there a good strategy to studying PHP? For instance, is there a way to break everything down into small managable topics? -- Blessings, David M. Just build what you want to build and look things up when necessary. The biggest part of learning any language is becoming able to creatively solve problems within its realm of possibilities, and that's something you can't really learn just by reading and solving textbook problems. Hands-on experience is a very important key to understanding. Keep an open mind, ask people for answers if things get difficult, always assume that there's a better way to do something, and in a while you'll be able to write perfectly decent programs. This is the route I have been following for the past couple years and I have always assumed there is a better way to do something and that is, in a way what makes me lose confidence. I always feel like my code is crap and sometimes even ashamed to even show any of it. -- Blessings, David M. For personal sites, I think as long as the code works, and doesn't have any glaringly obvious security holes in, then it should be fine. Personal sites tend not to have a huge amount of traffic, so speed doesn't really become an issue unless you're doing something totally crazy (like generating all of your header images on the fly with PHP for example without any caching) For commercial sites, more time should be spent on security and testing, and working over things in your head about how the site is going to get used. If an area of the site that you feel is going to be very popular will be busy, then is creating a lot of large objects and making many DB calls such a great idea? I look at some code I did a while back and shudder. It started off well enough, but then feature creep set in and now it looks like a creation of Frankenstein! I think it happens to all of us at some point, it just depends how well we deal with it. I'd rather have less then stellar code than have to tell a client it's going to take more time to add a feature and then have them go elsewhere. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
Hi Ashley and Michiel, It appears it is something in Apache or my server program on Windows (I am using Uniform Server; a portable webserver from http://www.uniformserver.com). The reason I got to such a conclusion is this: 1. I uploaded the pHP file to a free hosting website. Here is the URL: http://blindmoviebuff.uphero.com/test2.php 2. I put the same page in my www folder in Windows. Here's the address to that: http://parham-d.dyndns.org/test2.php As you can see, the page on uphero.com displays without any encoding changes required by you, whereas the second has to be manual (for some reason). I thought seeing the UTF-8 made the browser use that encoding automatically regardless of whether or not it was sent in UTF-8? Sorry, I have no information at all about how transmiting is handled. Just saying guesses aloud. :-) - Original Message - From: Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Newsgroups: php.general To: Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org Cc: Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 15:38 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: On 24 April 2010 14:45, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have created a PHP file, and wrote a string of Farsi letters in it. In the head section of the HTML, I put: META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=UTF-8 There appears to be something wrong with Apache, or something, because no matter whether I put that string in an echo statement or just in an HTML with a php extention, the page loads as jibberish and I have to set the character encoding to UTF-8 manually in Firefox. Renaming that same file to .htm (when not using the echo statement), and loading it in the browser shows me the correct Farsi characters. Should I change something in Apache's settings for this to work? Thanks! No, that should work perfectly fine. Are you sure that the PHP file itself is utf-8? Could it be that you manually set the text encoding to something else in your browser, causing it to remember that setting? Perhaps you could link us to the page itself so we can have a look. Note that the best place to put that meta tag is right after the opening head tag, before any other header information. Michiel If renaming the file as .htm shows the characters correctly, then the .php file is most likely saved as utf8. Maybe Apache has been instructed to send all HTML with another encoding, as it should send it out with the same encoding as the requested PHP script. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] htmlentitites ENT_QUOTES in HTML attributes?
On 23 April 2010 14:21, Jan G.B. ro0ot.w...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi List,
I just figured, that the Browsers on my system do interpret #039;
inside href or onclick attribute as a plain '.
Imagine the user input is the following line:
param2 foo';);alert(document.cookie);alert('
Which is being written by the script like that:
a href=javascript:void(0); onclick=test(1,
'USER_INPUT_GOES_HERE');test/a
USER_INPUT is sent through htmlentities($str, ENT_QUOTES, 'UTF-8');
The result is the following then:
htmlbody
script type=text/javascript
function example(a, b) {
alert('valid alert; params: '+ a+', '+b);
}
/script
a href=javascript:void(0); onclick=example(1, 'param2quot;
foo#039;);alert(document.cookie);alert(#039;');test/a
/body/html
My browsers will alert the document.cookie.
Please confirm this (and keep in mind that document.cookie is just
empty when tested locally).
Regards
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Yes, #039; is the same as a single quote. But let's say you set up your
page like this:
http://pastie.org/932923
Submitting the form will change the $input variable that's also added to the
Javascript below. So in theory, you should be able to submit, say,
#039;+window.very_important_variable+#039; in order to get an alert with
the secret number 255 in it. But when submitting that text in the form, the
actually gets converted to amp;, causing the alert() to literally print
the string #039;. When submitting a real single quote, it gets converted to
\#039;, printing a literal '.
The only way to get to the window.very_important_variable is by removing the
htmlentities() function in the PHP code. The test case you added is
incorrect, since properly sanitized input would never have an actual,
non-escaped #039; in it.
Michiel
Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 18:37 +0430, Parham Doustdar wrote:
Hi Ashley and Michiel,
It appears it is something in Apache or my server program on Windows (I am
using Uniform Server; a portable webserver from
http://www.uniformserver.com). The reason I got to such a conclusion is
this:
1. I uploaded the pHP file to a free hosting website. Here is the URL:
http://blindmoviebuff.uphero.com/test2.php
2. I put the same page in my www folder in Windows. Here's the address to
that:
http://parham-d.dyndns.org/test2.php
As you can see, the page on uphero.com displays without any encoding changes
required by you, whereas the second has to be manual (for some reason). I
thought seeing the UTF-8 made the browser use that encoding automatically
regardless of whether or not it was sent in UTF-8?
Sorry, I have no information at all about how transmiting is handled. Just
saying guesses aloud. :-)
- Original Message -
From: Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk
Newsgroups: php.general
To: Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org
Cc: Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 15:38 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote:
On 24 April 2010 14:45, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have created a PHP file, and wrote a string of Farsi letters in it.
In
the
head section of the HTML, I put:
META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=UTF-8
There appears to be something wrong with Apache, or something, because
no
matter whether I put that string in an echo statement or just in an
HTML
with a php extention, the page loads as jibberish and I have to set the
character encoding to UTF-8 manually in Firefox.
Renaming that same file to .htm (when not using the echo statement),
and
loading it in the browser shows me the correct Farsi characters.
Should I change something in Apache's settings for this to work?
Thanks!
No, that should work perfectly fine. Are you sure that the PHP file
itself
is utf-8?
Could it be that you manually set the text encoding to something else in
your browser, causing it to remember that setting?
Perhaps you could link us to the page itself so we can have a look. Note
that the best place to put that meta tag is right after the opening
head
tag, before any other header information.
Michiel
If renaming the file as .htm shows the characters correctly, then
the .php file is most likely saved as utf8.
Maybe Apache has been instructed to send all HTML with another encoding,
as it should send it out with the same encoding as the requested PHP
script.
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Try adding this before any output to the browser:
header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8');
Which should force the server to send the output in this specific
format.
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
Ashley Sheridan wrote: Is there an actual WoW client for Linux or you run in Wine like environment? Thanks, Tommy I run it under Wine. Wine has come a long way since my first encounters with it a few years back and run a surprising amount of Windows-based software. Doesn't WoW need DirectX and all that? I have some old Windows games (Diablo, Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon, Wolfenstein) I'd love to play under Wine, but so far I've not managed to make them work. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 16:14 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: Is there an actual WoW client for Linux or you run in Wine like environment? Thanks, Tommy I run it under Wine. Wine has come a long way since my first encounters with it a few years back and run a surprising amount of Windows-based software. Doesn't WoW need DirectX and all that? I have some old Windows games (Diablo, Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon, Wolfenstein) I'd love to play under Wine, but so far I've not managed to make them work. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.7°C) It can use OpenGL too. Just call it like this: wine Wow.exe -opengl and it will run in OpenGL mode. The only issue I've noticed is that Wine doesn't play well when it comes to sound, so I have to turn off things like Amarok when I want to play WoW. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
On 24 April 2010 16:14, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: Is there an actual WoW client for Linux or you run in Wine like environment? Thanks, Tommy I run it under Wine. Wine has come a long way since my first encounters with it a few years back and run a surprising amount of Windows-based software. Doesn't WoW need DirectX and all that? I have some old Windows games (Diablo, Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon, Wolfenstein) I'd love to play under Wine, but so far I've not managed to make them work. The best way to run old games is via DOSBox. http://www.dosbox.com/ If you have an Intel machine it should run pretty well (at least the latest version will; some repos still have the old 0.65 version which is significantly slower). Michiel
Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
Hi again,
That did work, indeed. Now, I guess that means that Apache is outputting the
PHP as something other than UTF-8. In fact, googling, I came up with this
line of .htaccess:
AddDefaultCharset UTF-8
which works perfectly!
Thank you, everyone, for yet again helping me out.
Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote in message
news:1272117941.20937.164.ca...@localhost...
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 18:37 +0430, Parham Doustdar wrote:
Hi Ashley and Michiel,
It appears it is something in Apache or my server program on Windows (I
am
using Uniform Server; a portable webserver from
http://www.uniformserver.com). The reason I got to such a conclusion is
this:
1. I uploaded the pHP file to a free hosting website. Here is the URL:
http://blindmoviebuff.uphero.com/test2.php
2. I put the same page in my www folder in Windows. Here's the address to
that:
http://parham-d.dyndns.org/test2.php
As you can see, the page on uphero.com displays without any encoding
changes
required by you, whereas the second has to be manual (for some reason). I
thought seeing the UTF-8 made the browser use that encoding automatically
regardless of whether or not it was sent in UTF-8?
Sorry, I have no information at all about how transmiting is handled.
Just
saying guesses aloud. :-)
- Original Message -
From: Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk
Newsgroups: php.general
To: Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org
Cc: Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 15:38 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote:
On 24 April 2010 14:45, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have created a PHP file, and wrote a string of Farsi letters in
it.
In
the
head section of the HTML, I put:
META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=UTF-8
There appears to be something wrong with Apache, or something,
because
no
matter whether I put that string in an echo statement or just in an
HTML
with a php extention, the page loads as jibberish and I have to set
the
character encoding to UTF-8 manually in Firefox.
Renaming that same file to .htm (when not using the echo statement),
and
loading it in the browser shows me the correct Farsi characters.
Should I change something in Apache's settings for this to work?
Thanks!
No, that should work perfectly fine. Are you sure that the PHP file
itself
is utf-8?
Could it be that you manually set the text encoding to something else
in
your browser, causing it to remember that setting?
Perhaps you could link us to the page itself so we can have a look.
Note
that the best place to put that meta tag is right after the opening
head
tag, before any other header information.
Michiel
If renaming the file as .htm shows the characters correctly, then
the .php file is most likely saved as utf8.
Maybe Apache has been instructed to send all HTML with another
encoding,
as it should send it out with the same encoding as the requested PHP
script.
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Try adding this before any output to the browser:
header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8');
Which should force the server to send the output in this specific
format.
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
On 24 April 2010 16:07, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ashley and Michiel, It appears it is something in Apache or my server program on Windows (I am using Uniform Server; a portable webserver from http://www.uniformserver.com). The reason I got to such a conclusion is this: 1. I uploaded the pHP file to a free hosting website. Here is the URL: http://blindmoviebuff.uphero.com/test2.php 2. I put the same page in my www folder in Windows. Here's the address to that: http://parham-d.dyndns.org/test2.php As you can see, the page on uphero.com displays without any encoding changes required by you, whereas the second has to be manual (for some reason). -snip- Actually, both of these work fine for me. I don't have to manually set the encoding to get the Farsi characters to show up in either of these links. I don't know why it wouldn't work for you. Maybe you should try a different browser to make sure it isn't a cached setting. Adding the header() call that Ashley suggested also seems like a good idea. Michiel
Re: [PHP] Question: Farsi characters showing as jibberish
Hi, It probably did because I added the line, AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 to my .htaccess a few moments ago. :-) Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org wrote in message news:o2p6cda1ded1004240726l272f04fbmdd2fb996e2580...@mail.gmail.com... On 24 April 2010 16:07, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ashley and Michiel, It appears it is something in Apache or my server program on Windows (I am using Uniform Server; a portable webserver from http://www.uniformserver.com). The reason I got to such a conclusion is this: 1. I uploaded the pHP file to a free hosting website. Here is the URL: http://blindmoviebuff.uphero.com/test2.php 2. I put the same page in my www folder in Windows. Here's the address to that: http://parham-d.dyndns.org/test2.php As you can see, the page on uphero.com displays without any encoding changes required by you, whereas the second has to be manual (for some reason). -snip- Actually, both of these work fine for me. I don't have to manually set the encoding to get the Farsi characters to show up in either of these links. I don't know why it wouldn't work for you. Maybe you should try a different browser to make sure it isn't a cached setting. Adding the header() call that Ashley suggested also seems like a good idea. Michiel -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Structured PHP studying
David McGlone wrote: On Friday 23 April 2010 07:45:16 Michiel Sikma wrote: On 23 April 2010 13:15, David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net wrote: Is there a good strategy to studying PHP? For instance, is there a way to break everything down into small managable topics? -- Blessings, David M. Just build what you want to build and look things up when necessary. The biggest part of learning any language is becoming able to creatively solve problems within its realm of possibilities, and that's something you can't really learn just by reading and solving textbook problems. Hands-on experience is a very important key to understanding. Keep an open mind, ask people for answers if things get difficult, always assume that there's a better way to do something, and in a while you'll be able to write perfectly decent programs. This is the route I have been following for the past couple years and I have always assumed there is a better way to do something and that is, in a way what makes me lose confidence. I always feel like my code is crap and sometimes even ashamed to even show any of it. Hi David, Really good to see somebody asking for honest advice on a v important matter :) First, if I may, I'd like to suggest that being ashamed to show your code is never going to be a productive way to work, rather the more code you show, the more feedback you will get on your code, and often with examples of alternative ways to do it - posting snippets and opensourcing are great ways of crowd sourcing solid feedback. Next, saying your code is crap, we all feel like that sometimes, but it's critical to note that if your code does the job it's supposed to, then it's a success! A few months ago I was questioning myself again and wrote this: http://webr3.org/blog/general/the-wall/ - the point is it's a good thing to question yourself, it's a good thing to take everything in to consideration, and often I (used to) find myself looking at very short procedural ways of doing things and think.. why am i making all these classes; it's our job as programmers to know when to implement something in 10 quick lines that are easy to maintain, and when to create an all singing and dancing framework type affair, pros and cons to each, and there is no One True Way TM of doing things - each bit of code is very much dependent on context, scenario and maintenance costs. Okay, on to your specific questions! We can break this down in to small(~ish) common junks, and which you study, take further and in what order is entirely up to you: General Coding This is the stuff that translates to almost every language, for loops, echo'ing, simple code optimisation and basically just how to script and program - I'll assume that after two years you've got this nailed better than any book can teach you, from here it's just experience and picking up tricks on the way, so generally no need to worry! PHP As you know php is a specific language, and the best way to learn everything php specific, is literally to read the manual, from start to finish, a few times, and keep referring back to it, if you see something you haven't actually used before then give it a quick go in a short 5-10 line script and have a play, the 2 minutes it takes will be more than worth it (by doing it, it'll get engrained in you). Aside: in every project i do, and at all times i have a test.php where I literally just try out ways of doing things and snippets of code, once I'm done i stick an exit; before it then do the next snippet above it, this way i always have one nice file of snippets in every project to refer back to - they often come in handy for helping on this list actually, and in fact sometimes are from peoples code on this list! Coding Standards One of the biggest factors of feeling your code isn't good enough, is by not using any coding standards, this is pretty simple stuff but makes your life a lot easier, and code a lot cleaner - even crap broken code comes across a lot better when it's nicely formatted lol. A good IDE can help you here, as for which coding standards that's up to you, but you can check you are adhering to them by using php code sniffer - personally I opt for a slightly modified version of zend coding standards with the odd bit of extra spacing around params etc. Paradigms Design Patterns A bit of familiarity with programming paradigms is always a good thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm In PHP we use Procedural and Object Orientated (Class Based) If you do OO then it's also very very useful to read up on all the Object Orientated subjects though especially Separation of Concerns, familiarity of Martin Fowler's enterprise patterns http://martinfowler.com/ is also a good thing, there is also a Java pattern guide that's most useful http://java.sun.com/blueprints/patterns/ and many transfer over to OO PHP. Other Languages Yes :) one of the best ways to get good with your primary language (php) is to try
Re: [PHP] Structured PHP studying
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 15:46 +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: David McGlone wrote: On Friday 23 April 2010 07:45:16 Michiel Sikma wrote: On 23 April 2010 13:15, David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net wrote: Is there a good strategy to studying PHP? For instance, is there a way to break everything down into small managable topics? -- Blessings, David M. Just build what you want to build and look things up when necessary. The biggest part of learning any language is becoming able to creatively solve problems within its realm of possibilities, and that's something you can't really learn just by reading and solving textbook problems. Hands-on experience is a very important key to understanding. Keep an open mind, ask people for answers if things get difficult, always assume that there's a better way to do something, and in a while you'll be able to write perfectly decent programs. This is the route I have been following for the past couple years and I have always assumed there is a better way to do something and that is, in a way what makes me lose confidence. I always feel like my code is crap and sometimes even ashamed to even show any of it. Hi David, Really good to see somebody asking for honest advice on a v important matter :) First, if I may, I'd like to suggest that being ashamed to show your code is never going to be a productive way to work, rather the more code you show, the more feedback you will get on your code, and often with examples of alternative ways to do it - posting snippets and opensourcing are great ways of crowd sourcing solid feedback. Next, saying your code is crap, we all feel like that sometimes, but it's critical to note that if your code does the job it's supposed to, then it's a success! A few months ago I was questioning myself again and wrote this: http://webr3.org/blog/general/the-wall/ - the point is it's a good thing to question yourself, it's a good thing to take everything in to consideration, and often I (used to) find myself looking at very short procedural ways of doing things and think.. why am i making all these classes; it's our job as programmers to know when to implement something in 10 quick lines that are easy to maintain, and when to create an all singing and dancing framework type affair, pros and cons to each, and there is no One True Way TM of doing things - each bit of code is very much dependent on context, scenario and maintenance costs. Okay, on to your specific questions! We can break this down in to small(~ish) common junks, and which you study, take further and in what order is entirely up to you: General Coding This is the stuff that translates to almost every language, for loops, echo'ing, simple code optimisation and basically just how to script and program - I'll assume that after two years you've got this nailed better than any book can teach you, from here it's just experience and picking up tricks on the way, so generally no need to worry! PHP As you know php is a specific language, and the best way to learn everything php specific, is literally to read the manual, from start to finish, a few times, and keep referring back to it, if you see something you haven't actually used before then give it a quick go in a short 5-10 line script and have a play, the 2 minutes it takes will be more than worth it (by doing it, it'll get engrained in you). Aside: in every project i do, and at all times i have a test.php where I literally just try out ways of doing things and snippets of code, once I'm done i stick an exit; before it then do the next snippet above it, this way i always have one nice file of snippets in every project to refer back to - they often come in handy for helping on this list actually, and in fact sometimes are from peoples code on this list! Coding Standards One of the biggest factors of feeling your code isn't good enough, is by not using any coding standards, this is pretty simple stuff but makes your life a lot easier, and code a lot cleaner - even crap broken code comes across a lot better when it's nicely formatted lol. A good IDE can help you here, as for which coding standards that's up to you, but you can check you are adhering to them by using php code sniffer - personally I opt for a slightly modified version of zend coding standards with the odd bit of extra spacing around params etc. Paradigms Design Patterns A bit of familiarity with programming paradigms is always a good thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm In PHP we use Procedural and Object Orientated (Class Based) If you do OO then it's also very very useful to read up on all the Object Orientated subjects though especially Separation of Concerns, familiarity of Martin Fowler's enterprise patterns http://martinfowler.com/ is also a good thing, there is also a Java pattern guide that's most useful
[PHP] PHP not being read?
What would cause a machine not to read/process php? I have a laptop that I have been ever increasing using for php scripting. I decided to do a simple experiment, it started out something like: $seconds=1; $minutes=$seconds*60; $hours=$minutes*60; $days=$hours*24; echo $seconds; echo $minutes; echo $hours; echo $days; Nothing showed in the browser on my local server. I then tried various changes, adding single quotes, double quotes, parenthsis, changing echo to printnothing. Finally, after looking online and through a couples of books, I was able to get this in the browser: $minutes; echo $hours; echo $days; ? I also got this in a browser (code not included in this post but you can see how far back to the basics I went to get this to work). Hello World'; echo $minutes ; echo $hours; echo $days; ? When I sent the file over to my other computer...I got what I thought I was going to get, numbers and calculations. What would cause a browser to display the closing tags of php? I dont know where to begin to look, could this be a setting in my editor (Dreamweaver CS3), the testing server config file, the browsers? Thanks for your help. Gary __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP not being read?
On 25 April 2010 00:45, Gary g...@paulgdesigns.com wrote: What would cause a machine not to read/process php? I have a laptop that I have been ever increasing using for php scripting. I decided to do a simple experiment, it started out something like: $seconds=1; $minutes=$seconds*60; $hours=$minutes*60; $days=$hours*24; echo $seconds; echo $minutes; echo $hours; echo $days; -snip- A text editor with syntax highlighting would certainly help. There's a double quote right in front of the $hours variable on the fourth line. That's an unterminated string literal, a syntax error, which would cause PHP to abort entirely. Your php's error log probably has a message in it to this extent. The reason why you got a number of different results is probably because you added another double quote further down in later versions. But if that's somehow not it, post the entire source code of your file on a site like http://pastie.org/ so we can have a closer look. Michiel
Re: [PHP] PHP not being read?
Michiel Thank you for your reply, but that is not it. I took it down to ?php $seconds=1; echo $seconds; ? Total code, and got nothing, blank screen. (this is just a silly exercise where I was going to input a date of birth and produce age in seconds) When I put the exact same code on my other machine, it showed numbers and calculations, most important, it showed something at all. This is an issue with configuration or settings somewhere, or perhaps my XAMPP is corrupt. Thank you for your reply. Gary Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org wrote in message news:y2s6cda1ded1004241703w90e8790ay46bb77c4e1162...@mail.gmail.com... On 25 April 2010 00:45, Gary g...@paulgdesigns.com wrote: What would cause a machine not to read/process php? I have a laptop that I have been ever increasing using for php scripting. I decided to do a simple experiment, it started out something like: $seconds=1; $minutes=$seconds*60; $hours=$minutes*60; $days=$hours*24; echo $seconds; echo $minutes; echo $hours; echo $days; -snip- A text editor with syntax highlighting would certainly help. There's a double quote right in front of the $hours variable on the fourth line. That's an unterminated string literal, a syntax error, which would cause PHP to abort entirely. Your php's error log probably has a message in it to this extent. The reason why you got a number of different results is probably because you added another double quote further down in later versions. But if that's somehow not it, post the entire source code of your file on a site like http://pastie.org/ so we can have a closer look. Michiel __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP not being read?
Hi Gary, It is probably because you have the file named .html and not .php. I took your code: ?php $seconds=1; echo $seconds; ? and put it an a .html and .php file and put it on my server. With the.php file, I got a result of 1 for the .html file I got a blank screen. HTH, Karl On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Gary wrote: Michiel Thank you for your reply, but that is not it. I took it down to ?php $seconds=1; echo $seconds; ? Total code, and got nothing, blank screen. (this is just a silly exercise where I was going to input a date of birth and produce age in seconds) When I put the exact same code on my other machine, it showed numbers and calculations, most important, it showed something at all. This is an issue with configuration or settings somewhere, or perhaps my XAMPP is corrupt. Thank you for your reply. Gary Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org wrote in message news:y2s6cda1ded1004241703w90e8790ay46bb77c4e1162...@mail.gmail.com... On 25 April 2010 00:45, Gary g...@paulgdesigns.com wrote: What would cause a machine not to read/process php? I have a laptop that I have been ever increasing using for php scripting. I decided to do a simple experiment, it started out something like: $seconds=1; $minutes=$seconds*60; $hours=$minutes*60; $days=$hours*24; echo $seconds; echo $minutes; echo $hours; echo $days; -snip- A text editor with syntax highlighting would certainly help. There's a double quote right in front of the $hours variable on the fourth line. That's an unterminated string literal, a syntax error, which would cause PHP to abort entirely. Your php's error log probably has a message in it to this extent. The reason why you got a number of different results is probably because you added another double quote further down in later versions. But if that's somehow not it, post the entire source code of your file on a site like http://pastie.org/ so we can have a closer look. Michiel __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP not being read?
Karl
Thanks for your replythat wasnt it. File was originated as a php file.
So I have been playing with the experiment, and this is now the total code:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
style type=text/css
body {
font-size:20px;
}
/style
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titleTime Experiment/title
/head
form action=?php echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'];? method=post
I am input name=age type=text / years old.br /br /
input name=submit type=submit value=submit /br /br /
/form
body
?php
$age=$_POST['age'];
$seconds=1;
$minutes=($seconds*60);//60
$hours=$minutes*60;//3600
$days=$hours*24;//86,400
//$days=$days;
$months=$days*30;//2,592,000
$years=$months*12;
$seconds_old=$years*$age;
$seconds_old=number_format($seconds_old,0,'.',',');
$years=number_format($years,0,'.',',');
$days=number_format($days,0,'.',',');
$months=number_format($months,0,'.',',');
/*Interesting, when I had the number_format of days before the months, the
math was wrong, it returned 2,592
turns out you must reverse the order of the second var for number_format*/
echo There is $seconds in a second;
echo pThere are $minutes seconds in a minute./p;
echo pThere are $hours seconds in an hour./p;
echo pThere are $days seconds in a day./p;
echo pThere are $months seconds in a month./p;
echo pThere are $years seconds in a year./p;
echo pYou have lived about $seconds_old Seconds in your life/p;
?
/body
/html
And this code produces, on the good machine, the tower, this:
I am years old.
There is 1 in a second
There are 60 seconds in a minute.
There are 3600 seconds in an hour.
There are 86,400 seconds in a day.
There are 2,592,000 seconds in a month.
There are 31,104,000 seconds in a year.
You have lived about 0 Seconds in your life
Same exact code that I just now sent over to the original bad machine,
produces this:
I am years old.
There are $minutes seconds in a minute.; echo
There are $hours seconds in an hour.
; echo
There are $days seconds in a day.
; echo
There are $months seconds in a month.
; echo
There are $years seconds in a year.
; echo
You have lived about $seconds_old Seconds in your life
; ?
Same code, different machines, different results. Notice the closing ? php
tag is printed.
Like I said, I dont know where to start to look.
Thanks for your reply.
Gary
Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote in message
news:5aedfbf6-577b-44d8-9771-3ca1f7971...@designdrumm.com...
Hi Gary,
It is probably because you have the file named .html and not .php.
I took your code:
?php
$seconds=1;
echo $seconds;
?
and put it an a .html and .php file and put it on my server.
With the.php file, I got a result of 1
for the .html file I got a blank screen.
HTH,
Karl
On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Gary wrote:
Michiel
Thank you for your reply, but that is not it.
I took it down to
?php
$seconds=1;
echo $seconds;
?
Total code, and got nothing, blank screen. (this is just a silly
exercise
where I was going to input a date of birth and produce age in seconds)
When
I put the exact same code on my other machine, it showed numbers and
calculations, most important, it showed something at all.
This is an issue with configuration or settings somewhere, or perhaps my
XAMPP is corrupt.
Thank you for your reply.
Gary
Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org wrote in message
news:y2s6cda1ded1004241703w90e8790ay46bb77c4e1162...@mail.gmail.com...
On 25 April 2010 00:45, Gary g...@paulgdesigns.com wrote:
What would cause a machine not to read/process php?
I have a laptop that I have been ever increasing using for php
scripting.
I decided to do a simple experiment, it started out something like:
$seconds=1;
$minutes=$seconds*60;
$hours=$minutes*60;
$days=$hours*24;
echo $seconds;
echo $minutes;
echo $hours;
echo $days;
-snip-
A text editor with syntax highlighting would certainly help. There's a
double quote right in front of the $hours variable on the fourth
line.
That's an unterminated string literal, a syntax error, which would
cause
PHP
to abort entirely. Your php's error log probably has a message in it to
this
extent.
The reason why you got a number of different results is probably
because
you
added another double quote further down in later versions.
But if that's somehow not it, post the entire source code of your file
on
a
site like http://pastie.org/ so we can have a closer look.
Michiel
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http
Re: [PHP] PHP not being read?
What is the browser and browser version your using on the bad computer?
What OS?
Are you previewing the file on the computer or from a server?
Karl
On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Gary wrote:
Karl
Thanks for your replythat wasnt it. File was originated as a
php file.
So I have been playing with the experiment, and this is now the
total code:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
style type=text/css
body {
font-size:20px;
}
/style
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titleTime Experiment/title
/head
form action=?php echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'];? method=post
I am input name=age type=text / years old.br /br /
input name=submit type=submit value=submit /br /br /
/form
body
?php
$age=$_POST['age'];
$seconds=1;
$minutes=($seconds*60);//60
$hours=$minutes*60;//3600
$days=$hours*24;//86,400
//$days=$days;
$months=$days*30;//2,592,000
$years=$months*12;
$seconds_old=$years*$age;
$seconds_old=number_format($seconds_old,0,'.',',');
$years=number_format($years,0,'.',',');
$days=number_format($days,0,'.',',');
$months=number_format($months,0,'.',',');
/*Interesting, when I had the number_format of days before the
months, the
math was wrong, it returned 2,592
turns out you must reverse the order of the second var for
number_format*/
echo There is $seconds in a second;
echo pThere are $minutes seconds in a minute./p;
echo pThere are $hours seconds in an hour./p;
echo pThere are $days seconds in a day./p;
echo pThere are $months seconds in a month./p;
echo pThere are $years seconds in a year./p;
echo pYou have lived about $seconds_old Seconds in your life/p;
?
/body
/html
And this code produces, on the good machine, the tower, this:
I am years old.
There is 1 in a second
There are 60 seconds in a minute.
There are 3600 seconds in an hour.
There are 86,400 seconds in a day.
There are 2,592,000 seconds in a month.
There are 31,104,000 seconds in a year.
You have lived about 0 Seconds in your life
Same exact code that I just now sent over to the original bad
machine,
produces this:
I am years old.
There are $minutes seconds in a minute.; echo
There are $hours seconds in an hour.
; echo
There are $days seconds in a day.
; echo
There are $months seconds in a month.
; echo
There are $years seconds in a year.
; echo
You have lived about $seconds_old Seconds in your life
; ?
Same code, different machines, different results. Notice the
closing ? php
tag is printed.
Like I said, I dont know where to start to look.
Thanks for your reply.
Gary
Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote in message
news:5aedfbf6-577b-44d8-9771-3ca1f7971...@designdrumm.com...
Hi Gary,
It is probably because you have the file named .html and not .php.
I took your code:
?php
$seconds=1;
echo $seconds;
?
and put it an a .html and .php file and put it on my server.
With the.php file, I got a result of 1
for the .html file I got a blank screen.
HTH,
Karl
On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Gary wrote:
Michiel
Thank you for your reply, but that is not it.
I took it down to
?php
$seconds=1;
echo $seconds;
?
Total code, and got nothing, blank screen. (this is just a silly
exercise
where I was going to input a date of birth and produce age in
seconds)
When
I put the exact same code on my other machine, it showed numbers and
calculations, most important, it showed something at all.
This is an issue with configuration or settings somewhere, or
perhaps my
XAMPP is corrupt.
Thank you for your reply.
Gary
Michiel Sikma mich...@thingmajig.org wrote in message
news:y2s6cda1ded1004241703w90e8790ay46bb77c4e1162...@mail.gmail.com.
..
On 25 April 2010 00:45, Gary g...@paulgdesigns.com wrote:
What would cause a machine not to read/process php?
I have a laptop that I have been ever increasing using for php
scripting.
I decided to do a simple experiment, it started out something
like:
$seconds=1;
$minutes=$seconds*60;
$hours=$minutes*60;
$days=$hours*24;
echo $seconds;
echo $minutes;
echo $hours;
echo $days;
-snip-
A text editor with syntax highlighting would certainly help.
There's a
double quote right in front of the $hours variable on the fourth
line.
That's an unterminated string literal, a syntax error, which would
cause
PHP
to abort entirely. Your php's error log probably has a message
in it to
this
extent.
The reason why you got a number of different results is probably
because
you
added another double quote further down in later versions.
But if that's somehow not it, post the entire source code of
your file
on
a
site like http://pastie.org/ so we can have a closer look.
Michiel
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Re: [PHP] PHP not being read?
. But if that's somehow not it, post the entire source code of your file on a site like http://pastie.org/ so we can have a closer look. Michiel __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP not being read?
cause PHP to abort entirely. Your php's error log probably has a message in it to this extent. The reason why you got a number of different results is probably because you added another double quote further down in later versions. But if that's somehow not it, post the entire source code of your file on a site like http://pastie.org/ so we can have a closer look. Michiel __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
