Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 06:49 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Peter Lind wrote: On 13 April 2010 17:27, Paul M Fosterpa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. I hate to be a contrarian (not really), but there is a paradigm for using web forms. If you want the internet to save your data, you have to press the little button. If you don't, then it won't be saved. Not hard to figure out, not hard to do. If you have to go do something else while you're in the middle of a form, open a new tab/window and do it. When you come back to your original form, the data will still be there (but again, not *saved* until you hit the little button). Sorry, I just get cranky with people who won't follow the rules. There are rules and then there's stupidity based on tradition. The fact that websites previously threw away whatever work you had done because you automatically got logged out of your session after half an hour of typing does not mean you should call this a rule that should be adhere to. Google figured it out and did so well: backup automatically and let the user discard manually - not the other way round that leads to lost work. Apart from that, I note that the OP has seemingly managed to solve the problem and all these emails are rather pointless. Concur, and this is nothing to do with the web; http only constrains that the data should be POSTed or PUT; not /when/ a save action is triggered. Functionality is in the realm of the application, and if the client application (in this case the web page) determines that information should be iteratively saved, then that's what it should do. see google docs, gmail etc for real world examples. And a few BANK sites could do with considering waring people that they will time out before you have time to actually write in their message box for on-line emails which you have to use since they will not accept off-line ones. I had a complex message FROM them to answer - and save just told me the seesion had timed out! Bank solution - I should have copied their message to a word processor, and then copied the answer back later ... perhaps they should add that with a warning when trying to use their email page ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php Banks are notorious for not knowing about technology. My bank has a constant popup for Windows software that I 'must install' and has even asked me before to send my bank details over unencrypted email (my actual bank and not a phishing scam, as it was in reply to a question about that darned popup!) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On 13 April 2010 15:20, Merlin Morgenstern merli...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. Any ideas how to save into php session data before someone leaves the page? Use ajax: send a query to the server a couple of seconds after the user has last updated the form. Thank you for any hint, Merlin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- hype WWW: http://plphp.dk / http://plind.dk LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/plind Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fake51 BeWelcome: Fake51 Couchsurfing: Fake51 /hype -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 15:20 +0200, Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. Any ideas how to save into php session data before someone leaves the page? Thank you for any hint, Merlin Session data is all stored on the server, so it requires a submit in order for the server to actually get the data. You could use Ajax to grab the form data and send it to the server if you need though. However, I'm not really sure what your question is. Are people visiting your site, filling in a form, then pressing the back button to go somewhere else? If so, maybe they intended to not submit the form. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. I hate to be a contrarian (not really), but there is a paradigm for using web forms. If you want the internet to save your data, you have to press the little button. If you don't, then it won't be saved. Not hard to figure out, not hard to do. If you have to go do something else while you're in the middle of a form, open a new tab/window and do it. When you come back to your original form, the data will still be there (but again, not *saved* until you hit the little button). Sorry, I just get cranky with people who won't follow the rules. Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
At 11:27 AM -0400 4/13/10, Paul M Foster wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. I hate to be a contrarian (not really), but there is a paradigm for using web forms. If you want the internet to save your data, you have to press the little button. If you don't, then it won't be saved. Not hard to figure out, not hard to do. If you have to go do something else while you're in the middle of a form, open a new tab/window and do it. When you come back to your original form, the data will still be there (but again, not *saved* until you hit the little button). Sorry, I just get cranky with people who won't follow the rules. Paul Paul: What rules? I didn't see any rules. There are simply easy ways to do things and those not so easy -- like jumping out the window or using the stairs. You arrive at the same place, but at what cost? In this case, I don't think the OP has provided us with enough information about his problem. If he is concerned that his users may return to a page and wants the fields filled with what the user previously entered, then that depends upon several different things, such as has the user shut down his browser, or has the user simply clicked the submit button and the page has been refreshed. IOW, how has the user left the page? So, OP explain what you are trying to do? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
Paul M Foster wrote: Sorry, I just get cranky with people who won't follow the rules. ?php $pauls_post++; ? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: So, OP explain what you are trying to do? Cheers, tedd Sorta looks to me like he's in a situation where users are fleeing the form, and wondering why its not filled in when they go back. The natural reaction for this would be to call it abnormal, and tell them to learn how to use a web page, but we all know how the real world is. I like the original ideas from Peter and Ashley. Store a session or cookie, use ajax to periodically update a database table with the information, then re-populate it if/when they come back. I kinda like that word Paradigm. Rolls off the tongue nicely. I'm going to use it 3 times today before I leave the office. -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Unlimited Hosting Plans start @ $3.95/month. Promo Code NEWTHINGS for 10% off initial order http://www.facebook.com/canishosting http://www.facebook.com/originalpoetry
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
Dan Joseph wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: So, OP explain what you are trying to do? Cheers, tedd Sorta looks to me like he's in a situation where users are fleeing the form, and wondering why its not filled in when they go back. The natural reaction for this would be to call it abnormal, and tell them to learn how to use a web page, but we all know how the real world is. I like the original ideas from Peter and Ashley. Store a session or cookie, use ajax to periodically update a database table with the information, then re-populate it if/when they come back. I kinda like that word Paradigm. Rolls off the tongue nicely. I'm going to use it 3 times today before I leave the office. I had a pair-a-dimes one time. Unfortunately I was a nickel short of a quarter to put in the slot. :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.comwrote I had a pair-a-dimes one time. Unfortunately I was a nickel short of a quarter to put in the slot. But the question is... were they outside the box? -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Unlimited Hosting Plans start @ $3.95/month. Promo Code NEWTHINGS for 10% off initial order http://www.facebook.com/canishosting http://www.facebook.com/originalpoetry
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
Dan Joseph wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.comwrote I had a pair-a-dimes one time. Unfortunately I was a nickel short of a quarter to put in the slot. But the question is... were they outside the box? Nah, the question is, since the slot was intended to accept a quarter, why the heck didn't it take two dimes and a nickel ... or just two dimes, and throw a nickel in gratis? I must be getting old. We have toilets that flush themselves now. WTF happened to grown up being equal to taking responsibility for things? KDK -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Kevin Kinsey k...@daleco.biz wrote: Nah, the question is, since the slot was intended to accept a quarter, why the heck didn't it take two dimes and a nickel ... or just two dimes, and throw a nickel in gratis? I must be getting old. We have toilets that flush themselves now. WTF happened to grown up being equal to taking responsibility for things? I think you've found the answer to the great question of why people don't take responsibility anymore... it all started with the toilet! -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Unlimited Hosting Plans start @ $3.95/month. Promo Code NEWTHINGS for 10% off initial order http://www.facebook.com/canishosting http://www.facebook.com/originalpoetry
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:36:02PM -0400, Dan Joseph wrote: snip I kinda like that word Paradigm. Rolls off the tongue nicely. I'm going to use it 3 times today before I leave the office. ROTFL! Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
At 12:40 PM -0400 4/13/10, Robert Cummings wrote: Dan Joseph wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: So, OP explain what you are trying to do? Cheers, tedd Sorta looks to me like he's in a situation where users are fleeing the form, and wondering why its not filled in when they go back. The natural reaction for this would be to call it abnormal, and tell them to learn how to use a web page, but we all know how the real world is. I like the original ideas from Peter and Ashley. Store a session or cookie, use ajax to periodically update a database table with the information, then re-populate it if/when they come back. I kinda like that word Paradigm. Rolls off the tongue nicely. I'm going to use it 3 times today before I leave the office. I had a pair-a-dimes one time. Unfortunately I was a nickel short of a quarter to put in the slot. :) Cheers, Rob. Rob: I had a pair-a-ducks -- but they were afoul fowl. I had a pair-a-dice -- but crapped out. I had a pair-a-chute -- but one was shorter. I had a pair-of-pants -- but could only find one. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
Dan Joseph wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.comwrote I had a pair-a-dimes one time. Unfortunately I was a nickel short of a quarter to put in the slot. But the question is... were they outside the box? They were in my pocket... so yes! Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
Kevin Kinsey wrote: Dan Joseph wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.comwrote I had a pair-a-dimes one time. Unfortunately I was a nickel short of a quarter to put in the slot. But the question is... were they outside the box? Nah, the question is, since the slot was intended to accept a quarter, why the heck didn't it take two dimes and a nickel ... or just two dimes, and throw a nickel in gratis? I've never known an arcade machine to accept nickels and dimes :) I must be getting old. We have toilets that flush themselves now. WTF happened to grown up being equal to taking responsibility for things? Toilets flush themselves so that we don't need to touch what someone else touched... very likely after *cough* wiping up. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
tedd wrote: At 12:40 PM -0400 4/13/10, Robert Cummings wrote: Dan Joseph wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: So, OP explain what you are trying to do? Cheers, tedd Sorta looks to me like he's in a situation where users are fleeing the form, and wondering why its not filled in when they go back. The natural reaction for this would be to call it abnormal, and tell them to learn how to use a web page, but we all know how the real world is. I like the original ideas from Peter and Ashley. Store a session or cookie, use ajax to periodically update a database table with the information, then re-populate it if/when they come back. I kinda like that word Paradigm. Rolls off the tongue nicely. I'm going to use it 3 times today before I leave the office. I had a pair-a-dimes one time. Unfortunately I was a nickel short of a quarter to put in the slot. :) Cheers, Rob. Rob: I had a pair-a-ducks -- but they were afoul fowl. I had a pair-a-dice -- but crapped out. I had a pair-a-chute -- but one was shorter. I had a pair-of-pants -- but could only find one. So to paraphrase... You had a pair-a-ducks that lived in pair-a-dice but when pair-a-chuting only one could find a pair-a-pants because the other one was shorter? Gotcha... clear as tar! Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.comwrote: Toilets flush themselves so that we don't need to touch what someone else touched... very likely after *cough* wiping up. They have a cure for having to life a finger and wipe also but I won't continue lol -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Unlimited Hosting Plans start @ $3.95/month. Promo Code NEWTHINGS for 10% off initial order http://www.facebook.com/canishosting http://www.facebook.com/originalpoetry
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
On 13 April 2010 17:27, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. I hate to be a contrarian (not really), but there is a paradigm for using web forms. If you want the internet to save your data, you have to press the little button. If you don't, then it won't be saved. Not hard to figure out, not hard to do. If you have to go do something else while you're in the middle of a form, open a new tab/window and do it. When you come back to your original form, the data will still be there (but again, not *saved* until you hit the little button). Sorry, I just get cranky with people who won't follow the rules. There are rules and then there's stupidity based on tradition. The fact that websites previously threw away whatever work you had done because you automatically got logged out of your session after half an hour of typing does not mean you should call this a rule that should be adhere to. Google figured it out and did so well: backup automatically and let the user discard manually - not the other way round that leads to lost work. Apart from that, I note that the OP has seemingly managed to solve the problem and all these emails are rather pointless. -- hype WWW: http://plphp.dk / http://plind.dk LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/plind Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fake51 BeWelcome: Fake51 Couchsurfing: Fake51 /hype -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
Peter Lind wrote: On 13 April 2010 17:27, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. I hate to be a contrarian (not really), but there is a paradigm for using web forms. If you want the internet to save your data, you have to press the little button. If you don't, then it won't be saved. Not hard to figure out, not hard to do. If you have to go do something else while you're in the middle of a form, open a new tab/window and do it. When you come back to your original form, the data will still be there (but again, not *saved* until you hit the little button). Sorry, I just get cranky with people who won't follow the rules. There are rules and then there's stupidity based on tradition. The fact that websites previously threw away whatever work you had done because you automatically got logged out of your session after half an hour of typing does not mean you should call this a rule that should be adhere to. Google figured it out and did so well: backup automatically and let the user discard manually - not the other way round that leads to lost work. Apart from that, I note that the OP has seemingly managed to solve the problem and all these emails are rather pointless. Concur, and this is nothing to do with the web; http only constrains that the data should be POSTed or PUT; not /when/ a save action is triggered. Functionality is in the realm of the application, and if the client application (in this case the web page) determines that information should be iteratively saved, then that's what it should do. see google docs, gmail etc for real world examples. Regards! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving form data into session before leaving a page
Nathan Rixham wrote: Peter Lind wrote: On 13 April 2010 17:27, Paul M Fosterpa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 03:20:23PM +0200, Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hello everybody, I have form where users enter data to be saved in a db. How can I make php save the form data into a session before the user leaves the page without pressing the submit button? Some members leave the page and return afterwards wondering where their already entered data is. I hate to be a contrarian (not really), but there is a paradigm for using web forms. If you want the internet to save your data, you have to press the little button. If you don't, then it won't be saved. Not hard to figure out, not hard to do. If you have to go do something else while you're in the middle of a form, open a new tab/window and do it. When you come back to your original form, the data will still be there (but again, not *saved* until you hit the little button). Sorry, I just get cranky with people who won't follow the rules. There are rules and then there's stupidity based on tradition. The fact that websites previously threw away whatever work you had done because you automatically got logged out of your session after half an hour of typing does not mean you should call this a rule that should be adhere to. Google figured it out and did so well: backup automatically and let the user discard manually - not the other way round that leads to lost work. Apart from that, I note that the OP has seemingly managed to solve the problem and all these emails are rather pointless. Concur, and this is nothing to do with the web; http only constrains that the data should be POSTed or PUT; not /when/ a save action is triggered. Functionality is in the realm of the application, and if the client application (in this case the web page) determines that information should be iteratively saved, then that's what it should do. see google docs, gmail etc for real world examples. And a few BANK sites could do with considering waring people that they will time out before you have time to actually write in their message box for on-line emails which you have to use since they will not accept off-line ones. I had a complex message FROM them to answer - and save just told me the seesion had timed out! Bank solution - I should have copied their message to a word processor, and then copied the answer back later ... perhaps they should add that with a warning when trying to use their email page ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
