Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-07 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: > Generally speaking you're better off with a design that automatically adapts > to the viewport on which it's being displayed. While there's more than one > reason for this, the overriding reason is that the same software (i.e. the > same user ag

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-07 Thread Marc Guay
> There is only one drawback to using CSS media queries to alter the way a > page is displayed on different resolutions, and that is that any media > (i.e. background images, etc) referenced in a stylesheet is downloaded, > regardless of if it is ever used. Another one worth mentionning is that a

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 18:09 -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Mari Masuda wrote: > [snip] > > For a concrete example of responsive design in action, point your browser > > to http://www.sasquatchfestival.com/ and then slowly make the window > > wider/skinnier to see how the design adapts to differe

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Mari Masuda wrote: [snip] For a concrete example of responsive design in action, point your browser to http://www.sasquatchfestival.com/ and then slowly make the window wider/skinnier to see how the design adapts to different viewport sizes. Very nice... makes for an easy display to a wide r

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Paul M Foster wrote: [snip] How about this: those of you with iPhones, Androids and the like, point your phones at a page which reports $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] (like a page which runs the phpinfo() function), and post what you get back from that exercise and what device made the query. I'd li

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:01:45PM +, Stuart Dallas wrote: > On 6 Feb 2012, at 05:58, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. > > > > I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: > > There are simulators available for most smartphones. > >

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 04:04:28PM -0500, Adam Richardson wrote: >On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Adam Richardson <[1]simples...@gmail.com> >wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Paul M Foster > <[2]pa...@quillandmouse.com> wrote: > >This is sort of obliquely rela

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Stuart Dallas wrote: On 6 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Marc Guay wrote: the way your site renders should be purely based upon the size of the display. Although I mostly agree with this statement, it ignores the most interesting aspects of mobile technology, such as being able to ask the user for their

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Ashley Sheridan wrote: [snip] Keeping a PHP angle to this, have you looked at using an up-to-date browscap.ini file with PHP? Basically, you can use that to read in the raw user agent string from the browser, and it then finds a matching entry in the ini file and gives you back some values about

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:02:34PM +, Ashley Sheridan wrote: [snip] > > > Keeping a PHP angle to this, have you looked at using an up-to-date > browscap.ini file with PHP? Basically, you can use that to read in the > raw user agent string from the browser, and it then finds a matching > ent

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:28:42PM -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > >This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. > > > >I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: > > > >1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have > >their own

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 6 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Marc Guay wrote: >> the way your site renders should be purely based upon the size of the >> display. > > Although I mostly agree with this statement, it ignores the most > interesting aspects of mobile technology, such as being able to ask > the user for their GPS locat

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Mari Masuda
On Feb 6, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: [snip] > Generally speaking you're better off with a design that automatically adapts > to the viewport on which it's being displayed. [snip] For a concrete example of responsive design in action, point your browser to http://www.sasquatchfest

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Marc Guay
> the way your site renders should be purely based upon the size of the display. Although I mostly agree with this statement, it ignores the most interesting aspects of mobile technology, such as being able to ask the user for their GPS location and deliver content accordingly. I worked on some r

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Adam Richardson
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Adam Richardson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. >> >> I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: >> >> 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or d

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 6 Feb 2012, at 05:58, Paul M Foster wrote: > This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. > > I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: There are simulators available for most smartphones. > 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have > thei

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 14:28 -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. > > > > I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: > > > > 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have > > their own st

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Adam Richardson
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Paul M Foster wrote: > This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. > > I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: > > 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have > their own stripped down versions of browsers? > B

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Paul M Foster wrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their own stripped down versions of browsers? 2) When a browser broadcasts its header telli

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Marc Guay
> 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have > their own stripped down versions of browsers? Different browsers, some of which are worse than IE (see Blackberry). > 2) When a browser broadcasts its header telling the server what kind of > browser is involved, do the

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Jim Giner
Nice article!! You should read up on responsive web design. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/responsive-web-design/ should get you started. HTH!= -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-05 Thread Mari Masuda
On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: [snip] > 3) Bonus question: Is there a preferred method amongst coders to > determine what type of environment is being browsed from, so as to serve > up the proper type of page (desktop or smart phone version of a > webpage)? [snip] You should

[PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-05 Thread Paul M Foster
This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their own stripped down versions of browsers? 2) When a browser broadcasts its header telling the server what kind