Re: [PHP] OT Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/12/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, if your wife says (and you're not listening as usual) Do these pants make my butt look big? Neither answer is going to help much. But, if said separately, you at least have a chance of surviving the ordeal. And I'll also point out that they will work in either order in most cases - including the one Tedd gave as an example. To demonstrate: Do these pants make my butt look big? Yes, dear. WHAT?!? I'm sorry! - or - Do this pants make my butt look big? I'm sorry yes, dear. However, note that it is NEVER alright to say one of the following: No, your fat ass makes it look big. No, but that second piece of cheesecake did. Hell yeah! How the hell did you pull those up? I didn't want to say anything, but that's why I always want to be on top. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 Hey, PHP-General list 50% off for life on web hosting plans $10/mo. or more at http://www.pilotpig.net/. Use the coupon code phpgeneralaug07 Register domains for about $0.01 more than what it costs me at http://domains.pilotpig.net/. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
tedd wrote: At 9:29 PM +0200 8/7/07, Tijnema wrote: On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah!! This list is for public apologies and Copyright discussion. Cheers, Rob. -- Oh yeah, Tedd is only the first of thousands of people that need to apologize... :P Tijnema Ah crap, have I got something else to apologize for? At this rate, by the time I reach the end of my life, I'll know only two sentences, namely I'm sorry and Yes, Dear. Seems to me you could rather easily condense that to just one sentence with the same degree of functionality. :-) Cheers -- David Robley This isn't hell, but I can see it from here. Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 5th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173. Celebrate Zaraday -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
At 1:26 PM -0400 8/11/07, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 12:15 -0400, tedd wrote:
Always (fishing for another apology opportunity) place javascript in
external files and call them in via the header. Keep the code
unobtrusive. There are ways to use javascript without having to mix
it into your html -- look up DOM scripting.
I absolutely agree with unobtrusive JavaScript, but I do disagree with
you slightly on using external files. Generally speaking i keep large
bits of code (Especially libs) in external files, but a few lines of
script for a form that appears on one page I'll often be put in the head
section. This way the JavaScript is in the same file as the template for
which it is associated. My template engine will relocate the JavaScript
to the head section at compile time.
That's clever. I assume that for production work (i.e., for a
client), you can isolate the files you need and be totally
unobtrusive if you want.
I just described my method off-list to another person and it went like this:
I have a system for my site development work such that I simply
include one header and one footer and no matter where the project
directory is that I'm currently working on, the process will find the
one main common header and common footer and will add them to my demo
automagically.
My code to start, looks like this:
?php include('../header.php') ?
h1 Hi /h1
?php include('../footer.php') ?
From there I have a complete page -- from doctype to copyright, it's
all there and it validates.
If I need a javascript file locally, then I add it to the local
working directory by naming the file a.js. Likewise, if I need an
additional css file, then I name it a.css and it's also included in
the call.
However, if I don't need those files, then none are included in my
local working directory and attempts to load those files will fail --
however -- it doesn't matter if an attempt to load fails or not as
long as the files are not needed.
I think that's kind of clever, but I like Rocky and Bullwinkle as well.
Cheers,
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[PHP] OT Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
At 10:21 PM +0930 8/12/07, David Robley wrote: tedd wrote: At this rate, by the time I reach the end of my life, I'll know only two sentences, namely I'm sorry and Yes, Dear. Seems to me you could rather easily condense that to just one sentence with the same degree of functionality. :-) Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. You must keep them in two separate sentences. For example, if your wife says (and you're not listening as usual) Do these pants make my butt look big? Neither answer is going to help much. But, if said separately, you at least have a chance of surviving the ordeal. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 21:27 -0400, tedd wrote:
At 1:26 PM -0400 8/11/07, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 12:15 -0400, tedd wrote:
Always (fishing for another apology opportunity) place javascript in
external files and call them in via the header. Keep the code
unobtrusive. There are ways to use javascript without having to mix
it into your html -- look up DOM scripting.
I absolutely agree with unobtrusive JavaScript, but I do disagree with
you slightly on using external files. Generally speaking i keep large
bits of code (Especially libs) in external files, but a few lines of
script for a form that appears on one page I'll often be put in the head
section. This way the JavaScript is in the same file as the template for
which it is associated. My template engine will relocate the JavaScript
to the head section at compile time.
That's clever. I assume that for production work (i.e., for a
client), you can isolate the files you need and be totally
unobtrusive if you want.
I just described my method off-list to another person and it went like this:
I have a system for my site development work such that I simply
include one header and one footer and no matter where the project
directory is that I'm currently working on, the process will find the
one main common header and common footer and will add them to my demo
automagically.
My code to start, looks like this:
?php include('../header.php') ?
h1 Hi /h1
?php include('../footer.php') ?
From there I have a complete page -- from doctype to copyright, it's
all there and it validates.
If I need a javascript file locally, then I add it to the local
working directory by naming the file a.js. Likewise, if I need an
additional css file, then I name it a.css and it's also included in
the call.
However, if I don't need those files, then none are included in my
local working directory and attempts to load those files will fail --
however -- it doesn't matter if an attempt to load fails or not as
long as the files are not needed.
I think that's kind of clever, but I like Rocky and Bullwinkle as well.
I don't use a script to find my JavaScript files and CSS but I do
something similar to your includes for header and footer. The difference
being that my template engine will pull them in at compile time and not
at run-time. A lot of static content is pulled in this way and relocated
using compile-time accumulators. Then I use run-time accumulators to
flush content at run-time into the appropriate areas if necessary. This
allows me to create a layout that is compiled once at compile time but
with flush hooks for run-time. For instance for simplicity I use the
following tag in the head area to set up JavaScript:
jinn:javaScriptSystem/
This is the same as doing the following manually:
jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScriptTags/
jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScriptTags dynamic=true/
jinn:javaScript
jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScript/
jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScript dynamic=true/
function javaScriptOnLoad()
{
jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScriptOnLoad/
jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScriptOnLoad dynamic=true/
}
/jinn:javaScript
-
The body tag will have an onload=javaScriptOnLoad(). Then in a content
file I can add the following:
jinn:accumulate name=javaScriptOnLoad
// some javascript code to modify the DOM
/jinn:accumulate
And it will get relocated at compile time to the location of the static
flush statement: jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScriptOnLoad/
Similarly within my code at run-time I can do the following:
$mAcc = $this-getServiceRef( 'accManager' );
$acc = $mAcc-getRef( 'javaScriptOnLoad' );
$acc-append
(
' // some javascript to modify the DOM '
)
And it will be get flushed into the content at the location of the
dynamic flush statement:
jinn:accumulatorFlush name=javaScriptOnLoad dynamic=true/
So all in all, it's very simple for me to put JavaScript (and any
content for that matter) anywhere I please. I often use it for layout
areas (such as left pane, right pane, etc), menus, visitor notices, etc.
BTW if you're wondering why I have a jinn:javaScript tag it's because
who wants to remember the following:
---
script type=text/javascript!--//--![CDATA[//!--
//--!]]/script
---
:)
Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
At 9:29 PM +0200 8/7/07, Tijnema wrote: On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah!! This list is for public apologies and Copyright discussion. Cheers, Rob. -- Oh yeah, Tedd is only the first of thousands of people that need to apologize... :P Tijnema Ah crap, have I got something else to apologize for? At this rate, by the time I reach the end of my life, I'll know only two sentences, namely I'm sorry and Yes, Dear. Oh, to bring this off-topic question back to on-topic (?) Always (fishing for another apology opportunity) place javascript in external files and call them in via the header. Keep the code unobtrusive. There are ways to use javascript without having to mix it into your html -- look up DOM scripting. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 12:15 -0400, tedd wrote: At 9:29 PM +0200 8/7/07, Tijnema wrote: On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah!! This list is for public apologies and Copyright discussion. Cheers, Rob. -- Oh yeah, Tedd is only the first of thousands of people that need to apologize... :P Tijnema Ah crap, have I got something else to apologize for? At this rate, by the time I reach the end of my life, I'll know only two sentences, namely I'm sorry and Yes, Dear. Oh, to bring this off-topic question back to on-topic (?) Always (fishing for another apology opportunity) place javascript in external files and call them in via the header. Keep the code unobtrusive. There are ways to use javascript without having to mix it into your html -- look up DOM scripting. I absolutely agree with unobtrusive JavaScript, but I do disagree with you slightly on using external files. Generally speaking i keep large bits of code (Especially libs) in external files, but a few lines of script for a form that appears on one page I'll often be put in the head section. This way the JavaScript is in the same file as the template for which it is associated. My template engine will relocate the JavaScript to the head section at compile time. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
TIA, Cor
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/7/07, C.R.Vegelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
TIA, Cor
Uhh, do you know which list this is?
Tijnema
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/7/07, C.R.Vegelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
w3 says it can appear in either:
snip
The SCRIPT element places a script within a document. This element may
appear any number of times in the HEAD or BODY of an HTML document.
/snip
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/scripts.html#h-18.1
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 21:24 +0200, Tijnema wrote:
On 8/7/07, C.R.Vegelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
TIA, Cor
Uhh, do you know which list this is?
Yeah!! This list is for public apologies and Copyright discussion.
Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 21:24 +0200, Tijnema wrote:
On 8/7/07, C.R.Vegelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
TIA, Cor
Uhh, do you know which list this is?
Yeah!! This list is for public apologies and Copyright discussion.
Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
C.R.Vegelin wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
Either really. Both work.
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
C.R.Vegelin wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
Generally, script blocks outside of the head are meant to be used for
routines that run as the page is loading. For example, one might have
some JS that creates some block of HTML or something. Or one might have
a JS block at the very end of the page that is meant to run once the
page has (almost) completed loading. Why people do this, i'm not sure.
Personally, i think script blocks belong in the head. If you have some
function that needs to run at page load, there's the onload handler for
that.
In your case, it looks like that function could be placed pretty much
anywhere, as it can only be called once the page has loaded, anyway. Is
your problem that you can't change the head of the page (to include that
function) for some reason? In any case, go ahead and put it in the body.
brian
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/7/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhh, do you know which list this is? I give up.. Is it the one where I get as many [OT] labeled emails as I do on-topic ones? People have been asking basic html questions here for (over?) a decade, and it probably won't stop anytime soon. Newcomers don't know it's wrong because they haven't seen anyone be smacked down for it. So until you can smack someone down in advance, it won't stop. It's not that big a deal is it? I mean html discussion isn't nearly as important as a heated copyright law debate, but then my delete button works great. I think you just want something to bitch about. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Aug 7, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Tijnema wrote:
On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 21:24 +0200, Tijnema wrote:
On 8/7/07, C.R.Vegelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in
body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options
[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
TIA, Cor
Uhh, do you know which list this is?
Yeah!! This list is for public apologies and Copyright discussion.
Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 21:19 +0100, C.R.Vegelin wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
In head - whenever possible
In body - whenever else
It's not incorrect to have JS in the body, but it sure makes it more
difficult to see what's happening.
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Check:
http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html
Satyam
PS: The answer is, put styles at the top, scripts at the bottom., but there
are many other tricks to improve performance. Otherwise, as for the
standards, they can go anywhere.
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Subject: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
TIA, Cor
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/7/07, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C.R.Vegelin wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
Either really. Both work.
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Actually, I didn't want to answer this, but you're talking shit here ;)
Javascript needs to be initialised before it can be used.
So, if you have a function bodyload(), and you call it from body
onload=bodyload();, you need to place it inside head, as it isn't
loaded if you put it in body.
Some browsers will still run the javascript code, however it is not recommended.
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/7/07, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/7/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhh, do you know which list this is? I give up.. Is it the one where I get as many [OT] labeled emails as I do on-topic ones? People have been asking basic html questions here for (over?) a decade, and it probably won't stop anytime soon. Newcomers don't know it's wrong because they haven't seen anyone be smacked down for it. So until you can smack someone down in advance, it won't stop. What about a php-html list? or php-js? :P It's not that big a deal is it? I mean html discussion isn't nearly as important as a heated copyright law debate, but then my delete button works great. I think you just want something to bitch about. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ Yep, you're right. This list has quite a lot traffic, and if all useless topics could move to another list, the real problems could be handled here, and we could see the forest through the trees again ;) Or however you want to call it in english ;) Tijnema -- Vote for PHP Color Coding in Gmail! - http://gpcc.tijnema.info -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Ok, you got the obligatory 'wrong list' comments. It is the wrong list, but for the sake of public completeness... how about an answer to the question. You can put it anywhere but a couple of considerations: 1. I believe if you put it AFTER where the JS functions defined in that block are called, it may try to call the functions before the functions appear. So close to the top is always good. I could be wrong on this, but there was some kind of condition along those lines and I think it was with JS and positioning. 2. Non JS compliant browsers. If you put it in the body, they're likely to ignore the script tags and just blatantly display the JS as if it was meant for output. This can be mitigated by using HTML comment blocks around the JS. Since they're different than JS comment blocks, it won't interfere with the JS. But putting your script in the head block should also prevent it from being displayed. 3. If you're executing JS in order to output something, you're going to need to put it whereever in your HTML you'll need the output. If you're just defining functions to be called later, then you can put it whereever (probably above where you're calling the functions.. see #1). The only things we don't put in the head for script blocks is a popup calendar thing that the old developer installed and our users seem to like. Part of it's requirements is a script tag that includes some JS and HTML where you want the popup calendar to appear. Could probably be streamlined, but works well enough and doesn't look too ugly so why make more work for ourselves until we do the full re-design (2035?) -TG = = = Original message = = = Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body ? For example, script type=text/javascript function reload(form) var val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value; self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ; /script TIA, Cor ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:50 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. If you're executing JS in order to output something, you're going to need to put it whereever in your HTML you'll need the output. If you're just defining functions to be called later, then you can put it whereever (probably above where you're calling the functions.. see #1). That's not true. You can still have it in the head and use javascript to target specific content to a tag with an ID. In fact, I'd say that's a better option when used in conjunction with onload() since you can be certain all of your libraries are loaded. Additionally it allows you to place default content in the event that your visitor doesn't have JavaScript enabled. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:58 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: On 8/7/07, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Later this week on Php-General, witness the revolutionary confessions of a PHP Programmer stuck in the middle of a lovers triangle of OOP, and Procedural That's a re-run. Python wins with Ruby coming in second place. PHP gets renamed to Java, etc. Yeah, the numbers really show Python and Ruby winning... NOT *LOL*. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the numbers really show Python and Ruby winning... NOT *LOL*. You mean how both Ruby and Python list serv traffic is way up while PHP's is way down? Even the PHP dev list is really slowed the past year or so.. just some guy named Richard bothering them about random stuff every once in a while, that's about it. Oh, and the occasional namespace discussion. To namespace or not to namespace, who really cares. But to clarify the obvious for those without their own clue bat with which to beat one's self, I was referring to language quality with regard to OO. PHP is a cluster-fuck in comparison to pretty much anything out there.. except maybe Perl's OO. And go look at PHP SPL, and tell me that's not Java by another name. PHP is the absolute worst language to do any sort of OO programming in. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Yes. Just yes. regards, boro Greg Donald schreef: On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the numbers really show Python and Ruby winning... NOT *LOL*. You mean how both Ruby and Python list serv traffic is way up while PHP's is way down? Even the PHP dev list is really slowed the past year or so.. just some guy named Richard bothering them about random stuff every once in a while, that's about it. Oh, and the occasional namespace discussion. To namespace or not to namespace, who really cares. But to clarify the obvious for those without their own clue bat with which to beat one's self, I was referring to language quality with regard to OO. PHP is a cluster-fuck in comparison to pretty much anything out there.. except maybe Perl's OO. And go look at PHP SPL, and tell me that's not Java by another name. PHP is the absolute worst language to do any sort of OO programming in. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:52 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: On 8/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the numbers really show Python and Ruby winning... NOT *LOL*. You mean how both Ruby and Python list serv traffic is way up while PHP's is way down? Way up and way down are trends. Trends may be fads or they may be sustained cultural changes. Time will tell, but it certainly hasn't told yet. I hardly consider list serv traffic an indicator of language superiority... especially when high traffic may be an indicator of bugs. Even the PHP dev list is really slowed the past year or so.. just some guy named Richard bothering them about random stuff every once in a while, that's about it. Oh, and the occasional namespace discussion. To namespace or not to namespace, who really cares. Those who discuss it *lol*. But to clarify the obvious for those without their own clue bat with which to beat one's self, I was referring to language quality with regard to OO. PHP is a cluster-fuck in comparison to pretty much anything out there.. except maybe Perl's OO. And go look at PHP SPL, and tell me that's not Java by another name. I dunno, I don't use it. Haven't found a need for it yet. PHP is the absolute worst language to do any sort of OO programming in. That's a very subjective statement. I've had no trouble writing OOP since PHP3. I like references in PHP4, and it's nice that PHP5 uses automatic references when assigning objects by value. But that's just cake icing. OOP is a programming style, not necessarily a language construct. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re[2]: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Hi Greg, Tuesday, August 7, 2007, 9:52:28 PM, you wrote: PHP is the absolute worst language to do any sort of OO programming in. Ignoring the digg user mentality of that statement, try ASP if you want to see OO suck *royally* Cheers, Rich -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Richard Davey wrote: Tuesday, August 7, 2007, 9:52:28 PM, you wrote: PHP is the absolute worst language to do any sort of OO programming in. Ignoring the digg user mentality of that statement, try ASP if you want to see OO suck *royally* ASP is not a language, it's most like a framework. I think you meant VB6. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Tue, August 7, 2007 3:19 pm, C.R.Vegelin wrote:
Are there any rules when to include javascript in head or in body
?
For example,
script type=text/javascript
function reload(form)
{ var
val=form.Chapter.options[form.Chapter.options.selectedIndex].value;
self.location='QueryForm.php?Chapter=' + val ;
}
/script
Yes.
But this is a general HTML/Javascript question, and not a PHP question.
The best short answer I can provide is this:
When in doubt, it belongs in head
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
On Tue, August 7, 2007 2:48 pm, Tijnema wrote: On 8/7/07, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/7/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhh, do you know which list this is? I give up.. Is it the one where I get as many [OT] labeled emails as I do on-topic ones? People have been asking basic html questions here for (over?) a decade, and it probably won't stop anytime soon. Newcomers don't know it's wrong because they haven't seen anyone be smacked down for it. So until you can smack someone down in advance, it won't stop. What about a php-html list? or php-js? :P This might drain off some of the not really on topic questions from newbies who don't understand how the jigsaw puzzle pieces fit together... But the number of actual on-topic questions invovling PHP and HTML or PHP and JS is pretty dang low... So they'd still be off-topic, just on another list. And would anybody who knows enough to say they're off-topic even subscribe? Or would the lists just sort of wither and die and then we'd just get the same questions back here again? PS As a common courtesy, if you're going to tell somebody they are off-topic, a recommendation for where it might be on topic or some indication of what subject matter they ARE talking about would probably be much more useful than just that's OT! -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
