[snip]
What I was really illustrating is how interfaces are syntactic
sugar only. In my above example what I've really shown is an
implicit interface :) Since OOP is largely meant to model real
world things, ask yourself this... when a doctor sews a pig's
heart into a human, do you think there's
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 07:19 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
What I was really illustrating is how interfaces are syntactic
sugar only. In my above example what I've really shown is an
implicit interface :) Since OOP is largely meant to model real
world things, ask yourself this... when a
On 10/11/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 07:19 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
What I was really illustrating is how interfaces are syntactic
sugar only. In my above example what I've really shown is an
implicit interface :) Since OOP is largely
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On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Tony Marston wrote:
I have bought and read several books on design patterns without being
impressed. I have seen countless examples of how particular design
patterns
can be implemented,
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At 9:54 PM -0400 10/9/07, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
i hope i have been able to contribute something to someone
amidst all the arguing.
-nathan
Yeah, you gave me a better appreciation of some of the members of this
list -- we have
At 9:54 PM -0400 10/9/07, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
i hope i have been able to contribute something to someone
amidst all the arguing.
-nathan
Yeah, you gave me a better appreciation of some of the members of
this list -- we have some smart people here (i.e., Rob, Tony, Larry).
Cheers,
tedd
On 10/10/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 9:54 PM -0400 10/9/07, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
i hope i have been able to contribute something to someone
amidst all the arguing.
-nathan
Yeah, you gave me a better appreciation of some of the members of
this list -- we have some smart people
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 08:55 -0400, tedd wrote:
At 9:54 PM -0400 10/9/07, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
i hope i have been able to contribute something to someone
amidst all the arguing.
-nathan
Yeah, you gave me a better appreciation of some of the members of
this list -- we have some smart
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There's your problem, then. You are wasting
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On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 21:37 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
does a lawn mower not have blades; and gas and a control panel; does it
not
have
wheels? my object
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On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 21:37 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
does a lawn mower not have blades; and gas and a
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On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 21:37 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
does a lawn mower not have blades; and gas and a
and here is the interface example youve (Tony) been asking for.
the reason an interface is the best option here is because human hands and
grass are not related,
but they can both be cut (i didnt start the fingers thing, but it works for
the example so im using it).
also, notice the benefit of
All your examples all falling on deaf ears. The fact of the matter is that
encapsulation does NOT mean data hiding, therefore I do NOT have to make all
my member variables private.
The fact that you have used interfaces in that example proves nothing to me.
It is possible to code a solution
On 10/10/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All your examples all falling on deaf ears. The fact of the matter is that
encapsulation does NOT mean data hiding, therefore I do NOT have to make
all
my member variables private.
i thought we agreed to disagree on that point; im done
On 10/10/07, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:39:31 -0400, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The fact that you have used interfaces in that example proves nothing to
me.
It is possible to code a solution which does not use interfaces, so
what
are
[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution over
thewithout
interfaces solution
[/snip]
Polymorphism.
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[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution over
thewithout interfaces solution
[/snip]
Polymorphism.
Are you saying that it is not possible
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[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution over
thewithout interfaces solution
[/snip]
Polymorphism.
Are you saying that it is not possible to have polymorphism without using
interfaces? If so you
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[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution over
thewithout interfaces
[snip]
I wouldn't play with a lawnmower class in the first place. I use PHP to
write web applications which deal with database tables, not lawnmowers,
and
I have yet to find a good reason for using interfaces in such
applications.
Your contrived examples do not convince me of anything.
[/snip]
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 13:30 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution over
thewithout
interfaces solution
[/snip]
Polymorphism.
Bleh, polymorphism isn't unique to interfaces. In fact, PHP has
polymorphism all over the place by virtue of
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 13:30 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution over
thewithout
interfaces solution
[/snip]
Polymorphism.
Bleh, polymorphism isn't unique to interfaces.
At 9:38 AM -0400 10/10/07, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/10/07, tedd mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 9:54 PM -0400 10/9/07, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
i hope i have been able to contribute something to someone
amidst all the arguing.
-nathan
Yeah, you gave me a better
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I was really illustrating is how interfaces are syntactic
sugar only. In my above example what I've really shown is an
implicit interface :) Since OOP is largely meant to model real
world things, ask yourself this... when a doctor
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 17:46 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 13:30 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution
over
thewithout
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 17:46 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 13:30 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
[snip]
so what are the benefits of the with interfaces solution
over
thewithout
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 20:45 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I was really illustrating is how interfaces are syntactic
sugar only. In my above example what I've really shown is an
implicit interface :) Since OOP is largely meant to
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 20:57 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote:
On Wednesday 10 October 2007, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I was really illustrating is how interfaces are syntactic
sugar only. In my above example what I've really shown is an
On Wednesday 10 October 2007, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I was really illustrating is how interfaces are syntactic
sugar only. In my above example what I've really shown is an
implicit interface :) Since OOP is largely meant to model real
well i have to say i dont really see the difference between an implicit and
explicit interface.
the example you gave looks like it works just like the example i gave.
in your example the check for the function is performed at runtime.
in the example i gave the check for the interface is
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 22:15 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
well i have to say i dont really see the difference between an
implicit and explicit interface.
the example you gave looks like it works just like the example i gave.
in your example the check for the function is performed at runtime.
On 10/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 22:15 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
well i have to say i dont really see the difference between an
implicit and explicit interface.
the example you gave looks like it works just like the example i gave.
in your
On 10/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it just so happens i
have a good friend with a very strong php background who tells me
practically the same thing, ppp isnt that big of a deal.
It isn't.
i disagree.
i disagree, why,
is it because ive had a classical education in
On 10/6/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Encapsulation and information hiding are separate topics. It is possible
to
have one without the other.
see the revision of my php4 critique.
here are excerpts from 4
books, 2 on java, one on c++, and one on php:
This abstraction
On 10/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 11:42 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
The definition of OOP is programming which is oriented around objects,
thus
taking advantage of Encapsulation, Polymorphism, and Inheritance to
increase
code reuse and decrease
wow, this thread has blown into a massive debate about oop.
well, i guess im the only one on the list who doesnt think php4 brings
enough to the table with its oop offerings.
the conversation has taken focus on what encapsulation is or isnt, but
recall, i pointed out there are many advantages php5
On 10/9/07, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then how come these languages still offer PUBLIC access as an option?
to expose a well defined interface of course.
-nathan
and i have a question for you, Tony;
are variables local
On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then how come these languages still offer PUBLIC access as an option?
to expose a well defined interface of course.
-nathan
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On 10/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it just so happens i
have a good friend with a very strong php background who tells me
practically the same thing, ppp isnt that big of a deal.
It isn't.
i
On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are confusing member variables with local variables. Member variables
are part of the object's data which need to be made available to the
outside
world. Local variables are internal to the function, and do not need to be
made available
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 09:12 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/7/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing brittle at all about PHP4 code. I can completely screw
up any PHP5 code you send my way too.
ok;
without modifying this class, set the value of $someInt to a value
greater
Maybe next time you'll have a challenge for me ;) And don't whine about
how I achieved what I did.
Brilliant! I never would have thought of that. ;)
thnx,
Christoph
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe next time you'll have a challenge for me ;)
bravo! i expected you would come up w/ something.
And don't whine about
how I achieved what I did.
fair enough.
maybe for your next trick youll build an interface in php4; or address
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:41 -0400, Christoph Boget wrote:
Maybe next time you'll have a challenge for me ;) And don't whine about
how I achieved what I did.
Brilliant! I never would have thought of that. ;)
It gets easier... here's a quick toolset for completely violating PHP5
objects
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On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are confusing member variables with local variables. Member variables
are part of the object's data which need to be made available to the
outside
world. Local
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$sucker = new TryToViolateEncapsulation();
$sucker = (array)$sucker;
$keys = array_keys( $sucker );
$sucker[reset( $keys )] = 500;
$sucker = serialize( (object)$sucker );
$sucker = 'O:25:TryToViolateEncapsulation'.substr( $sucker, 14 );
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 11:49 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe next time you'll have a challenge for me ;)
bravo! i expected you would come up w/ something.
And don't whine about
how I achieved what I did.
fair enough.
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would I use an interface? :)
because inheritance is not always optimal.
What's the problem that's outlined? I'm too lazy to go and look :|
/**
* CI_BASE - For PHP 4
*
* This file is used only when CodeIgniter is being run under PHP
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 12:40 -0400, Andrew Ballard wrote:
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$sucker = new TryToViolateEncapsulation();
$sucker = (array)$sucker;
$keys = array_keys( $sucker );
$sucker[reset( $keys )] = 500;
$sucker = serialize( (object)$sucker );
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 13:15 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would I use an interface? :)
because inheritance is not always optimal.
What's the problem that's outlined? I'm too lazy to go and look :|
/**
* CI_BASE - For PHP 4
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On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would I use an interface? :)
because inheritance is not always optimal.
I have never found a prolem when using an interface was the only solution,
or even ANY
On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would I use an interface? :)
because inheritance is not always optimal.
I have never found a prolem when
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly you'll notice I've extended the original class,
overriden the __wakeup() call and basically used inheritance
and polymorphism to my advantage.
Noticed. :-) I said a *little* more difficult. Of course, I could
declare the class
On 10/9/07, Andrew Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, it all seems a bit extreme. At some point, you have to trust
the people you work with not to go to such lengths to violate an
objects contract -- which I guess goes back to Tony's point whether
the language enforces private
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:11 -0400, Andrew Ballard wrote:
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly you'll notice I've extended the original class,
overriden the __wakeup() call and basically used inheritance
and polymorphism to my advantage.
Noticed. :-) I said a
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 16:18 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:11 -0400, Andrew Ballard wrote:
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly you'll notice I've extended the original class,
overriden the __wakeup() call and basically used inheritance
On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's your problem, then. You are wasting your time trying to implement
fancy design patterns just because design patterns are supposed to be
cool. Loader class, Controller Base class, Front Controller - I have
none
of that crap in my
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Why would I use an interface? :)
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On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's your problem, then. You are wasting your time trying to implement
fancy design patterns just because design patterns are supposed to be
cool. Loader class,
On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Robert Cummings wrote:
$sucker = new TryToViolateEncapsulation();
$sucker = (array)$sucker;
$keys = array_keys( $sucker );
$sucker[reset( $keys )] = 500;
$sucker = serialize( (object)$sucker );
$sucker = 'O:25:TryToViolateEncapsulation'.substr( $sucker, 14 );
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Tony Marston wrote:
I have bought and read several books on design patterns without being
impressed. I have seen countless examples of how particular design patterns
can be implemented, and I am even more unimpressed. Unless you can explain,
simply and with simple
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On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's your problem, then. You are wasting your time trying to
implement
fancy design patterns just because
On 10/9/07, Guillaume Theoret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/9/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 10/9/07, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Robert Cummings wrote:
$sucker = new TryToViolateEncapsulation();
$sucker = (array)$sucker;
$keys = array_keys( $sucker );
$sucker[reset( $keys )] = 500;
$sucker = serialize( (object)$sucker );
On 10/9/07, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Tony Marston wrote:
Here's a better reason to not bother learning PHP 4-style OOP. You have
less
than a year until running PHP 4 at all is considered an unsupported
security
risk. Don't waste your time, since
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 21:37 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
does a lawn mower not have blades; and gas and a control panel; does it not
have
wheels? my object modeling of a lawn mower would certainly have these
things;
and most likely i would mark components of the engine as private.
and what
On 10/9/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 21:37 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
does a lawn mower not have blades; and gas and a control panel; does it
not
have
wheels? my object modeling of a lawn mower would certainly have these
things;
and most likely
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On 10/6/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony is right here. Encapsulation is about hiding the details of the
implementation
rob, here is tonys definition of encapsulation:
Encapsulation is the act of
On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 22:20 -0700, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
On 10/6/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony is right here. Encapsulation is about hiding the details of the
implementation
rob, here is tonys definition of encapsulation:
Encapsulation is the act of placing data
On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 11:42 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
The definition of OOP is programming which is oriented around objects, thus
taking advantage of Encapsulation, Polymorphism, and Inheritance to increase
code reuse and decrease code maintenance. It is possible to do this in PHP
4
On 10/3/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 10/3/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Encapsulation is NOT data hiding. Take a look at
please stop putting words into my mouth. i never once said
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On 10/3/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Encapsulation is NOT data hiding. Take a
On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 15:42 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
OOP revolves around the concept of grouping code and data together in
logical units called classes. This process is usually referred to as
encapsulation,
Correct.
or information hiding,
INCORRECT
since its goal is that
On 10/6/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony is right here. Encapsulation is about hiding the details of the
implementation
rob, here is tonys definition of encapsulation:
Encapsulation is the act of placing data and the
operations that perform on that data in the same class.
there is no way to create an abstract class in php4.
in an abstract class definition subclasses are forced to implement those
methods
that have been declared abstract. or they are allowed to declare the method
as abstract themselves and force their children to provide a concrete
definition.
the
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there is no way to create an abstract class in php4.
Oh yes there is! I knw, because I have done it! The definition of an
abstrract class is one that cannot be instantiated into an object. It can,
however, be extended
keeping data private is how encapsulation in facilitated.
here is a really simple way to violate encapsulation in php4
class BreakMe {
// private
var $iWishIWasPrivate;
}
// later on
$instance = new BreakMe();
$instance-iWishIWasPrivate = 'encapsulation violated';
if the member variable
Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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keeping data private is how encapsulation in facilitated.
Absolute rubbish. Encapsulation is the act of placing data and the
operations that perform on that data in the same class. The data does not
have to be private at
On 10/3/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Encapsulation is NOT data hiding.
I repeat, encapsulation has absolutely nothing to do with data hiding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_hiding
encapsulation is facilitated via ppp in object oriented programming
languages.
i
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On 10/3/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Encapsulation is NOT data hiding.
I repeat, encapsulation has absolutely nothing to do with data hiding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_hiding
On 10/3/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Encapsulation is NOT data hiding. Take a look at
please stop putting words into my mouth. i never once said encapsulation is
data hiding.
I stated PublicPrivateProctected facilitates encapsulation. tonight when i
get home ill post
a snippet
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On 10/3/07, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Encapsulation is NOT data hiding. Take a look at
please stop putting words into my mouth. i never once said encapsulation
is
data hiding.
I stated
Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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although some people believe differently than i; i would argue
trying to learn how to design w/ the classes that php4 provides
is a waste of time.
I disagree. PHP 4 gives you access to classes, encapsulation, inheriance
Jeff Cohan wrote:
Yes, I know how to Google, and I've been Googling...
But I would appreciate advice about good beginner tutorials using
classes in PHP4 based on your actual experiences. I.e., have some of
you found tutorials that really unlocked the doors for you?
Ideally, such tutorials
Greg -
Greg Maruszeczka wrote:
Jeff:
The following books really helped me get my head around basic
OOP and design patterns in PHP, especially the first one
which directly addresses both PHP4 and PHP5:
1. PHP Architect's Guide to PHP Design Patterns, Jason E.
Sweat, PHP Architect
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Today's post was
prompted by my desire to prototype yet another suite of
browse-read-edit-add-delete functions for someone.
I was just going to ask you what is BREAD. Cool, basically a Web-based CRUD?
I can't find anything on it, can you point me to some sites?
although some people believe differently than i; i would argue
trying to learn how to design w/ the classes that php4 provides
is a waste of time. most books you will find regarding object oriented
design assume the language has the basic constructs. ppp mainly.
also, there are other important
painfully i find myself bound to it at my current job. there ive been able
to
realize that proper oop can be used to an amazing extent in php4, however
altogether i wish we could just move on to 5 and i could stop writing in
// private
as a comment :)
-nathan
On 9/30/07, Jeff Cohan [EMAIL
Nathan Nobbe wrote:
although some people believe differently than i; i would argue
trying to learn how to design w/ the classes that php4 provides
is a waste of time. most books you will find regarding object oriented
design assume the language has the basic constructs. ppp mainly.
also,
Instruct ICC wrote:
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Today's post was
prompted by my desire to prototype yet another suite of
browse-read-edit-add-delete functions for someone.
I was just going to ask you what is BREAD. Cool, basically a
Web-based CRUD? I can't find anything on it, can you
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