Hi there,
I do have a performance question regarding php processing. There are
some sites on the net like google, heise and others which are incredible
fast in response time. Of course companies like google are running
totally other systems, but there are smaller sites and companies doing
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
According to the PHP manual, the mnoGoSearch extension is not available
on the Windows platform. I had considered installing mnoGoSearch on our
Windows box running PHP (even though I will have to pay for the Windows
version of
Hello,
On 02/09/2004 11:36 PM, Merlin wrote:
I do have a performance question regarding php processing. There are
some sites on the net like google, heise and others which are incredible
fast in response time. Of course companies like google are running
totally other systems, but there are
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 02:45, Ronald Ramos wrote:
$_SESSION['username'];
$_SESSION['password'];
Close, try this instead:
$_SESSION['username'] = $username;
$_SESSION['password'] = $password;
I edited page3.php but it still shows me nothing.
It looks great, now you just need to clear up your
Yes, compression is key. Faster servers with HUGE internet connections
serving COMPRESSED content make sites feel snappy. Look under
microtime() in the php manual for an example that will benchmark how
much time your page actually takes to produce... you'll probably find
it incredibly small...
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 03:13, Ronald Ramos wrote:
It Worked. Thanks Man!
So I can use this to any other page?
Awesome! You have access to the $_SESSION variables on any php page on
the same server. Just make sure you call session_start() before you
access the $_SESSION array.
Let's say I
I wants to read some pages throug http call. Then, I am going to parse the
returned string and do some process.
For example: I want to get the latest news from CNN.com daily. So, I want to
call http://www.cnn.com and retrieve CNN's homepage content in a variable as
a string. After that, I will
I have a query which returns only 1 row, which of the following would be the
best to get the value from the resultset:
mysql_result()
mysql_fetch_field()
mysql_fetch_row()
the resultset only returns 1 column, so basically its only 1 field i get
from the resultset.
thanx in advance.
angelo
Use mysql_result and u can use mysql_fetch_object, mysql_fetch_array also.
The following example will show u how to do it with mysql_result which will
retrive one row only.
From PHP Manual:
?php
$link = mysql_connect(localhost, mysql_user, mysql_password)
or die(Could not connect:
Would advise mysql_fetch_row()
Angelo Zanetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I have a query which returns only 1 row, which of the following would be
the
best to get the value from the resultset:
mysql_result()
mysql_fetch_field()
mysql_fetch_row()
the resultset
Some source code would help
Deependra B. Tandukar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Dear all,
The script was working perfectly, but all of the sudden since last week
stopped working, gives Zero Sized Reply. The site is
Hi folks,
Using the Postgres extension for the first time, and am somewhat taken
aback by the approach to error handling.
First: error numbers
With the MySQL api, you can get an error number. With the Postgres
extension, it seems you can only get a message string. So to test for
a particular
Sajid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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HI,
I have a problem.
I dont know how to create tables for this in PHPMYADMIN, the situation is
like this:
I have to display lot of items on the screen.
There are three Datagrids on the screen (I am using Flash for this so
Hamid Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I wants to read some pages throug http call. Then, I am going to parse the
returned string and do some process.
For example: I want to get the latest news from CNN.com daily. So, I want
to
call http://www.cnn.com and
1. Why does the Apache 1.x SAPI doesn't provide the PHPINIDir directive?
Is it due to some kind of limitation in Apache 1.x?
2. Can we load extension with php_admin_value, e.g.:
php_admin_value extension /usr/lib/php4/imap.so
php_admin_value zend_extension
Hello,
mind explain a little bit further cause i'm confused and not sure if the
fuction really work or something
On 1st example using unset() in a function
/// CODE /
function foo() {
static $a;
$a++;
echo $aBR;
unset($a);
}
foo();
foo();
foo();
Hi there,
I have to write a PHP code for adding users to an email server.
For this I use an application called adduser.exe from Ipswitch IMail
Server 8.04.
Can anyone tell me how I can use this file with a PHP code?
Please note that the PHP runs on a different machine than the email
software.
So
David Garamond wrote:
1. Why does the Apache 1.x SAPI doesn't provide the PHPINIDir directive?
Is it due to some kind of limitation in Apache 1.x?
2. Can we load extension with php_admin_value, e.g.:
php_admin_value extension /usr/lib/php4/imap.so
php_admin_value zend_extension
Johnt wrote:
function foo() {
static $a;
$a++;
echo $aBR;
unset($a);
}
foo();
foo();
foo();
///
*** RESULT
1
2
3
Should it be all 1's at this time?
Is it the code, function, or my php setup..any idea
Hello John,
From: JohnT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:54 AM
Hello,
mind explain a little bit further cause i'm confused and not
sure if the
fuction really work or something
[some Code]
As far as I know (or understand), unset() will only destroy the
When I started looking into this I was told ASP was slow at processing
very large databases (and I think also large numbers of users) but I
don't think this becomes a problem unless the site is extremely large or
gets an awful lot of traffic.
Merlin wrote:
Hi there,
I do have a performance
Hello Joshua,
On 9 Feb 2004 at 15:45, Joshua Minnie wrote:
Does anybody have any idea to allow for multiple downloads while another
one was going on. Maybe some additional headers? I have tried adding
headers before and after where I open the file for HTTP/1.1 200 OK and the
corresponding
hi,
This is something very dangerous. And you can't just post to an exe file
just like that.
Your best bet would be to map the network drive and invoke it from
there. However this might cause other complications with mising dls etc.
Since this is a commercial product oyu might want to ask the
From: Angelo Zanetti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a query which returns only 1 row, which of the following would be
the
best to get the value from the resultset:
mysql_result()
mysql_fetch_field()
mysql_fetch_row()
the resultset only returns 1 column, so basically its only 1 field i get
from
Christian Jancso wrote:
I have to write a PHP code for adding users to an email server.
For this I use an application called adduser.exe from Ipswitch IMail
Server 8.04.
Can anyone tell me how I can use this file with a PHP code?
You can't simply post to adduser.exe - it's not a CGI application.
Hi,
I am using the following piece of code, to download files, but the files are
allways corrupt...what am I doing wrong?
if ($submit) {
$full_filename = $_POST[full_filename];
$filename = $_POST[filename];
$dir = $_POST['dir'];
$size = $_POST[size];
$id = $_POST[id];
Tim --
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%
% Hi,
Hiya!
%
% Sorry for the slightly off-topic post, but I've just had a client ask me to
% create a manual for the site management tool I wrote for them last
Interesting... You mean the tool isn't self-documenting? ;-)
% fall. Since I've
Hi,
Thanks for your help.
But what i feel is that this is a more tedious process to achieve what i
want to.
What will happen in this is that i have to enter proper Continent ID and
Country ID in both Country and Club tables respectively.
For that i have to go and check that these ID's are in the
ok do you have an example how this should work?
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What about taking advantage of curl's built in cookie functions?
In particular, you should look at doing this with a two step process
utilizing the CURLOPT_COOKIEJAR and CURLOPT_COOKIEFILE functions. First,
log in... Then grab the article itself, once the session has begun.
$ch = curl_init();
Hello,
I am having a strange problem with PHP and I can't really find a proper
answer, maybe someone have seen this before and can give me a hint.
I have a series of files (originally developed by another colleague)
installed on a server with PHP 4.2.2 and I get this error:
Parse error: parse
Hi Bruno,
The line number is misleading the error is generally above the line
that's reffered to. try commenting out sections of the code. If you have
an IDE it will be able to point out the error. If you don't have an IDE
some text editor that is capable of syntax highlighting will also help.
Adriaan Nel wrote:
Hi,
I am using the following piece of code, to download files, but the files are
allways corrupt...what am I doing wrong?
if ($submit) {
$full_filename = $_POST[full_filename];
$filename = $_POST[filename];
$dir = $_POST['dir'];
$size = $_POST[size];
$id = $_POST[id];
Christian Jancso wrote:
ok do you have an example how this should work?
No I don't - it was a while ago, but it's quite simple. You just need to
write a CGI script (you could use PHP if it's installed on the IMail
server) to shell out to the adduser utility passing parameters made up
from the
ok tx for your help I will try this :-)
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The variables I submit, are retrieved from a database...so users can't enter
anything,
I do have a warning inserted at the beginning of the file, how do I remove
this warning?
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Adriaan Nel wrote:
Hi,
I am using the
Hello Adam,
Adam Bregenzer wrote:
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 15:58, Markus Fischer wrote:
But doing this now for every internal function call I don't want to
lead my program into an unwanted state isn't very appealing.
snip
Ultimately I decided to wrap my necessary function calls in error
checking
Please post your solution to the group for reference.
~phillip
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 09,
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 09:49, Sajid wrote:
A way you could do this, is to set up the tables like this:
DG1:
Continent_Id | Continent_Name | Continent_Image | Continent_Text
DG2: Country_Id | Continent_Id | Country_Name | Country_Image |
Country_Text
DG3: Club_Id | Country_Id |
table border=1
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From: Phillip Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: excel output question
I would do it like
I am not aware of linked tables too much, is this what is called linked
table?
Do i have to enter values on both tables to link them? Or can some columns
of one table be linked with columns of another table in some other way?
If no, then thanks for all who helped me :)
--sajid
Adam Bregenzer
Adriaan Nel wrote:
The variables I submit, are retrieved from a database...so users can't enter
anything,
What do you mean? Even if the variables are in a hidden input field,
anyone can change them. For example one can save the page and change
them in html source.
I do have a warning inserted
I've got a design developer who only knows Front Page. Despite my general
hatred for Microsoft I can work around it :-)
She's installed a Front Page PHP plugin (I think it's called Rocket PHP).
However, the plugin is buggy; it's got problems that would be best fixed
if I could completely
I'm trying to use PHP 4.3.4 with the -b switch, which should bind a port to
be used for parsing php files. When I do that, I want it to run as a
different user than the one feeding it the command (webserver). Is there any
way to do that? Thanks so much for the help.
Can anyone tell me why this does not work:
$str1=ereg_replace(index.php?src=,index/,$url);
is there another way to do this?
Thanks,
Nicole
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My background is only with MS Access where everything is drag drop. In
that case you can link fields and they will populate automatically. If
you have Access, it might be an easier way to set up the database, enter
the data and then export it to MySQL or whatever.
Sajid wrote:
I am not aware
On Wednesday 11 February 2004 01:55, Nicole Lallande wrote:
Can anyone tell me why this does not work:
$str1=ereg_replace(index.php?src=,index/,$url);
Because '.' and '?' have special meanings in a regex.
is there another way to do this?
If it's a plain simple string replace you want then
Heya, I was wondering if its possible to create a odbc connection with
php, using a User DSN.. (not a system DSN)? Everytime I try to connect
with this code..
$connect = odbc_connect(userdsnhere, user, password) or
die(odbc_errormsg());;
I get...
[Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager]
Sajid --
...and then Sajid said...
%
% Hi,
Hi!
% Thanks for your help.
% But what i feel is that this is a more tedious process to achieve what i
% want to.
Sometimes database work is :-)
% What will happen in this is that i have to enter proper Continent ID and
% Country ID in both
Hello Chris,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 5:30:14 PM, you wrote:
CdV Can anyone recommend some template engines? Or tips on using PHP to parse
CdV an HTML doc, replacing it with real data?
One of the most common (and well used) template engines is Smarty:
http://smarty.php.net/
It might be
Hello Nicole,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 5:55:01 PM, you wrote:
NL Can anyone tell me why this does not work:
NL $str1=ereg_replace(index.php?src=,index/,$url);
Because it's an invalid regular expression.
NL is there another way to do this?
Yes, str_replace() for something this simple:
I implemented the classes found at the link he provided, followed the
directions in the readme and examples
do you want me to post the code as well?
thanks,
Jake
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From: Phillip Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:35
Hi there,
I have 3 files in nested subdirectories
(1) /test.php
(2) /subdir1/test.php
(3) /subdir1/subdir2/test.php
(1) contains
//
?php
print hello;
?
(2) and (3) contains
/
?php
include(../test.php);
?
if I call (3) it loops forever in (2) trying to
Richard Davey said:
One of the most common (and well used) template engines is Smarty:
http://smarty.php.net/
It might be overkill for your needs though, writing a simple template
system is pretty easy.
Looks like it's overkill, but I'll look through it in case I could use it
on other
Hello Samuel,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 6:55:24 PM, you wrote:
SV I have 3 files in nested subdirectories
[snip]
SV Is this a bug or a feature?
Neither, it's just logic really. The include() function sucks
in the file specified, dropping out to HTML mode to do so. The
included file inherits
Hello Chris,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 7:19:35 PM, you wrote:
CdV Got any tips on writing a template system? Anything I should be aware of,
CdV other than copious use of preg_replace? :-)
You don't have to use preg_replace, in its most simplest form the
following code will work just fine
From: Samuel Ventura [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have 3 files in nested subdirectories
(1) /test.php
(2) /subdir1/test.php
(3) /subdir1/subdir2/test.php
if I call (3) it loops forever in (2) trying to
including itself.
Is this a bug or a feature?
A feature?
You make a request for (3). The
I don't know about a user DSN, but I do know it's possible to create
an ODBC connection, using the ODBC functions. Check out the manual:
http://us4.php.net/manual/en/ref.odbc.php
Andrew Kwiczola wrote:
Heya, I was wondering if its possible to create a odbc connection with
php, using a User
Are you saying that it's better not to use relative paths on include(...)'s,
require(...)'s and their (x)_once(...) cousins?
That seems awkward to me.
Why would I want to hard code a path, even if I was including additional
functionality from another file?
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From:
Richard Davey said:
You don't have to use preg_replace, in its most simplest form the
following code will work just fine for a basic template system:
snip
Blow me down, that's exactly what I need! You just saved me hours of
research. You rock!!
Thanks Rich!
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From: Alex Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you saying that it's better not to use relative paths on
include(...)'s,
require(...)'s and their (x)_once(...) cousins?
That seems awkward to me.
Why would I want to hard code a path, even if I was including additional
functionality from another
Hi All,
Can someone recommend some good books on PHP Advanced topics.
Regards
Rai
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Howdy, I am looking for a simple way to encode my PHP files from snooping
eyes. Not a MD5 Encryption or anything but a simple base64 or something. I
want to scare off the casual server snooper that know very little about PHP
but has access to the web directory for other reasons.
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Many thanks!!
Richard Davey wrote:
Hello Nicole,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 5:55:01 PM, you wrote:
NL Can anyone tell me why this does not work:
NL $str1=ereg_replace(index.php?src=,index/,$url);
Because it's an invalid regular expression.
NL is there another way to do this?
Yes,
There's the Zend Encoder, which is fairly expensive. However, I suppose
you could use the base64_encode function to do what you want:
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.base64-encode.php. My idea is
that you could create a script that would read in your PHP scripts using
the filesystem
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|
| There's the Zend Encoder, which is fairly expensive. However, I suppose
| you could use the base64_encode function to do what you want:
| http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.base64-encode.php. My idea is
| that you could create a script that would
Hi there, I'm running RedHat 9.0 /Apache 2.0.48/openssl-0.9.7c/php-4.3.4
Every time I recompile PHP nothing seems to change according to phpinfo().
I'm trying to add SSL and FTP functionality. The funny thing is, every time
it is recompiled the messages indicate the install worked properly.
Matthew Rossiter wrote:
Hi there, I'm running RedHat 9.0 /Apache 2.0.48/openssl-0.9.7c/php-4.3.4
Every time I recompile PHP nothing seems to change according to phpinfo().
I'm trying to add SSL and FTP functionality. The funny thing is, every time
it is recompiled the messages indicate the
Hello Alex,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 8:08:11 PM, you wrote:
AH Are you saying that it's better not to use relative paths on include(...)'s,
AH require(...)'s and their (x)_once(...) cousins?
Relative paths are fine, so long as you have strict control over what
is calling the script and from
Hello Chris,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 8:09:36 PM, you wrote:
CdV Blow me down, that's exactly what I need! You just saved me hours of
CdV research. You rock!!
No worries, glad to help :)
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Hello John,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 8:20:50 PM, you wrote:
JWH include($_CONF['path'] . '/test.php');
This is slightly off-topic, but related to the include() function.
What is the given standard regarding when you should or shouldn't
use braces on a function.
For example:
include
Hello =d0Mi=,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 10:08:06 PM, you wrote:
d 4) If you think that the person could be someone else than root
dmove your pages to another webspace provider
I disagree; you'd be surprised just how many hosts configure public
level access to files inside of web
Hello Philip,
Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 12:19:07 AM, you wrote:
PJN I never saw any of the other messages, but why not just
PJN place an index file with nothing in it into
PJN the dir you don't want people to view. Thats what i do.
PJN (if i got the right end of the stick).
Wrong end of
Hello John,
Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 8:20:50 PM, you wrote:
JWH include($_CONF['path'] . '/test.php');
This is slightly off-topic, but related to the include() function.
What is the given standard regarding when you should or shouldn't
use braces on a function.
For example:
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 19:06, Richard Davey wrote:
This is slightly off-topic, but related to the include() function.
What is the given standard regarding when you should or shouldn't
use braces on a function.
[snip]
Both work just fine. The manual includes examples of both methods. So
which
Richard Davey wrote:
include $dir/file.php
vs.
include($dir/file.php)
Both work just fine. The manual includes examples of both methods. So
which do most people consider the right way ?
If you use echo, then you should use include().
If you use print, then you should use include .
Unless you
If it was a function, parenteses would be mandatory hehe
I prefer no parentheses on include/require/echo/print/..., cant justify
it with arguments though, its just the style i chose...
What about:
if (...) {
...
}
and:
if (...)
{
...
}
I prefer the second, but people find good reasons
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 21:00, André Cerqueira wrote:
If it was a function, parenteses would be mandatory hehe
I prefer no parentheses on include/require/echo/print/..., cant justify
it with arguments though, its just the style i chose...
What about:
if (...) {
...
}
and:
if
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 19:36, John W. Holmes wrote:
If you use echo, then you should use include().
If you use print, then you should use include .
Unless you use echo(), then you should use include
and if you use print , then you should use include().
Unless you don't want to. :)
Heh,
I have a registration form which collects some data then, when the user
clicks the submit button sends the data to a second page (a PHP script).
The problem I'm having is getting my webserver (apache) to invoke the PHP
scrip to process the data. What's so baffling about this is that I've
already
Hi all here's my problem,
I have two tables: 'user_data' and 'image_data'
obviously user_data has all the user information and image_data has all the
image information
in image_data are the fields: Image_ID int(11), User_ID int(11) and
Default_Img enum('Yes','No'). Users can have as many images
is the html code you have listed below the file register_new_member.php?
Is it in the same directory as the previously successful script?
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From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael T. Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You'll need to do a left/right outer join.
as you didn't say which database you're using, I'll give this back to you to
do some reading up on how to do it...
HTH
Martin
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From: Marc Greenstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 1:53 PM
To:
The problem is you are using a hard join which will only return rows where
there are matching entries in both tables. What you probably want is called
a left join, however you have a further complication.
You have to have an image row to have a image_data.Default_Img = 'Yes'. So
this query is
The DB is MySQL 4.0.16,
all tables are MyISAM
Martin Towell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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You'll need to do a left/right outer join.
as you didn't say which database you're using, I'll give this back to you
to
do some reading up on how to do it...
HTH
Martin
Correct me if I'm wrong...PLEASE.. but, I believe you are looking for...
SELECT * FROM user_data left join image_data on
user_data.User_ID=image_data.User_ID where image_data.Default_Img = 'Yes'
GROUP BY user_data.User_ID
I haven't used enum('Yes','No') so I'm taking your word for the fact that
That works well,
Thanks all.
Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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The problem is you are using a hard join which will only return rows where
there are matching entries in both tables. What you probably want is
called
a left join, however you have a further
I've been using both phpMyAdmin and EMS MySQL Manager to work with MySQL
tables and PHP. Things are generally going OK, but I'm still ironing out
a few kinks. I suspect some of my problems might be related to an error
message I get when I click on a Database in phpMyAdmin:
Error: The
Hi,
perhaps this is best posted on the phpmyadmin list?
Freedomware wrote:
I've been using both phpMyAdmin and EMS MySQL Manager to work with
MySQL tables and PHP. Things are generally going OK, but I'm still
ironing out a few kinks. I suspect some of my problems might be
related to an error
On Wednesday 11 February 2004 12:47, Freedomware wrote:
I've been using both phpMyAdmin and EMS MySQL Manager to work with MySQL
tables and PHP. Things are generally going OK, but I'm still ironing out
a few kinks. I suspect some of my problems might be related to an error
message I get when I
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From: Phillip Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jake McHenry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] XML and Excel
sure; if it doesn't compromise security for you.
~Phillip
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From: Jake McHenry
http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/
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Hi,
Is not working, is it correct way
File1.php
? $colors = array('red','blue','green','yellow'); ?
form action=file2.php method=post
input type=hidden type name=colors value=?=$colors?
/fomr
File2.php
?
echo $colors[0];
echo $colors[1];
echo $colors[2];
There are various:
www.sourceguardian.com
www.zend.com
www.ioncube.com
The turck-mmcache one is good too and it also comes with (or the main
purpose is) an accelerator
Ade
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I'm trying to move a PHP application that was originally built on the
windows PHP implementation to a newly installed Fedora FC1 Linux system.
However the Fedora implementation of PHP 4.3.4 seems to be missing the
mysql_real_escape_string() function. I suspect that there might be other
mysql
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I'm trying to move a PHP application that was originally built on the
windows PHP implementation to a newly installed Fedora FC1 Linux system.
However the Fedora implementation of PHP 4.3.4 seems to be missing the
mysql_real_escape_string() function. I suspect that there might be
other
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