Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
2011/7/6 Stuart Dallas stu...@3ft9.com: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.comwrote: Stuart Dallas stu...@3ft9.com wrote in message news:e73bd95e-0524-4743-92be-ae211b57e...@3ft9.com... On 6 Jul 2011, at 20:03, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. FFS and for the last time... THIS IS A MAILING LIST which you access through a newsgroup gateway. It is NOT a newsgroup! -Stuart Forgive me for not being a know-it-all. I don't even know what FFS means. I don't expect people to know-it-all, but since you started contributing to this MAILING LIST I've told you at least twice that it's a MAILING LIST not a newsgroup. I't is useless to argue with this guy, I had the same problem with him allot of times and it always ended up with him not understanding and insulting me. So i put a slash ignore on him ;) Suggestion... when you don't know something, Google it. In the past few messages you've sent you've asserted your ignorance on a number of points. Go to google, put FFS in and you get the definition back as the FIRST result. Even if it wasn't the first result I would hope it's safe to assume you'd know I didn't mean Facial Feminization Surgery or Finnish Fur Sales! Ignorance is natural and expected, but the inability or unwillingness to put effort into reducing your ignorance is a sickening waste of one of the most powerful computers on the planet! On second thought - I don't need your forgiveness. Perhaps you should utilize a newsgroup instead of getting all these emails in your inbox. Much less mail to sort thru when you don't feel like handling php problems and stuff from morons like me. I don't think you're a moron, and I'll leave deciding why you referred to yourself as such as an exercise for the reader. I do think you need to pay a bit more attention, and occasionally respect, to the responses you get on this mailing list if you want to realise the potential value they carry. I'm not sure why you think I do, but I have no problem with the emails I get as a result of subscribing to this mailing list - in fact I find them invaluable. I've found the list invaluable whenever I've had a problem I can't solve myself, and I find it invaluable to contribute where and when I can. I occasionally find it extremely frustrating, but as the veteran list members will hopefully testify my responses have mellowed somewhat with age. -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ -- ** Hans Åhlin Tel: +46761488019 icq: 275232967 http://www.kronan-net.com/ irc://irc.freenode.net:6667 - TheCoin ** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 02:18, Hans Åhlin ahlin.h...@kronan-net.com wrote: I't is useless to argue with this guy, I had the same problem with him allot of times and it always ended up with him not understanding and insulting me. So i put a slash ignore on him ;) This from the guy whose very, very first post to this same list[1] closed with the terse phrase: Start reading and stop being an AHole. ^1: http://news.php.net/php.general/303117 -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On Jul 7, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 02:18, Hans Åhlin ahlin.h...@kronan-net.com wrote: I't is useless to argue with this guy, I had the same problem with him allot of times and it always ended up with him not understanding and insulting me. So i put a slash ignore on him ;) This from the guy whose very, very first post to this same list[1] closed with the terse phrase: Start reading and stop being an AHole. ^1: http://news.php.net/php.general/303117 It is difficult to discuss alternatives and issues with someone who knows their solution is the best. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
2011/7/7 Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 02:18, Hans Åhlin ahlin.h...@kronan-net.com wrote: I't is useless to argue with this guy, I had the same problem with him allot of times and it always ended up with him not understanding and insulting me. So i put a slash ignore on him ;) This from the guy whose very, very first post to this same list[1] closed with the terse phrase: Start reading and stop being an AHole. ^1: http://news.php.net/php.general/303117 This was a response to Daevid Vincent - [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading? Daevid Vincent -Is this a case of it's too hard? Or is it a case of PHP core developers just being douche-bags like they are about the whole foo($set_this_parameter=$bar); bull$hit??! (there is NO reason NOT to let the developer choose WHICH of the list of parameters they want to set in a function/method call aside from being stubborn! Especially when there are many parameters and you can't overload functions like you can in Java or other typed languages) Nopp this was my first post: http://news.php.net/php.general/290263 Weeks in a year is 52 or 53 Days in a year is 365 and if a leap year 366 If ( (365 (Days Of a year) * (Years From 1940)) + (Number of leap years since 1940, (Years From 1940 / 4) (if its a Leap year -1)) + ((Days From 01-01) + 1) % 7 = (0-6 where 0 = Monday) ) is less then 3 (Thursday) then its in week nr 01 else if equal to 4 (Friday) its week 53 else its week 52 So your out on thin ice here Daniel ;) -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- ** Hans Åhlin Tel: +46761488019 icq: 275232967 http://www.kronan-net.com/ irc://irc.freenode.net:6667 - TheCoin ** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:46, Hans Åhlin ahlin.h...@kronan-net.com wrote: Nopp this was my first post: http://news.php.net/php.general/290263 Ah, somehow I missed that. So your out on thin ice here Daniel ;) Pfft. I'm always on thin ice, that's nothing new. The only thing that changes is the substance below the surface. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On 6 July 2011 20:25, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Forgive me for not being a know-it-all. I don't even know what FFS means. LMGTFY -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On 7/5/2011 7:52 PM, Jim Giner wrote: And what do you use to cut down on spam in your in-box? This is completely off topic, but here it goes... When I received an email the other day from your mail server, I had created this crazy ass reply to your automatic request for a reply. But in turn, just sent the email with the link showing that your mail server is a source of spam. To answer your question, I use built in Postfix checks... Here are my list of options: reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, check_recipient_maps, permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_checks, reject_invalid_helo_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname, reject_unknown_helo_hostname, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, reject_rbl_client psbl.surriel.com, reject_rbl_client korea.services.net, permit With the above settings, I REJECT 99.9% of all SPAM that tries to enter my box. You are currently listed in my /etc/postfix/helo_checks file as 64.118.87.45REJECT Your mail server is a source of SPAM. Fix it! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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You are currently listed in my /etc/postfix/helo_checks file as 64.118.87.45 REJECT Your mail server is a source of SPAM. Fix it! My mail server is my isp's. It is a shared server and not under my control. They are aware that is listed but cannot get to the bottom of why it is flagged. Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. As for your solution to spam. What is Postfix? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On 6 Jul 2011, at 20:03, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. FFS and for the last time... THIS IS A MAILING LIST which you access through a newsgroup gateway. It is NOT a newsgroup! -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
Stuart Dallas stu...@3ft9.com wrote in message news:e73bd95e-0524-4743-92be-ae211b57e...@3ft9.com... On 6 Jul 2011, at 20:03, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. FFS and for the last time... THIS IS A MAILING LIST which you access through a newsgroup gateway. It is NOT a newsgroup! -Stuart Forgive me for not being a know-it-all. I don't even know what FFS means. On second thought - I don't need your forgiveness. Perhaps you should utilize a newsgroup instead of getting all these emails in your inbox. Much less mail to sort thru when you don't feel like handling php problems and stuff from morons like me. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On 06 Jul 2011 at 20:03, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: You are currently listed in my /etc/postfix/helo_checks file as 64.118.87.45 REJECT Your mail server is a source of SPAM. Fix it! My mail server is my isp's. It is a shared server and not under my control. They are aware that is listed but cannot get to the bottom of why it is flagged. Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. As for your solution to spam. What is Postfix? Rather than rely on heuristics, I wrote a Bayesian filter for my e-mail app. Let the spammer, by sending you the mail, indicate what is spam and what is not. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On 06 Jul 2011 at 20:03, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. You're sending mail to all of us. Here's what I got from you: To: php-general@lists.php.net From:Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting Date:Wed, 6 Jul 2011 15:03:44 -0400 You are currently listed in my /etc/postfix/helo_checks file as 64.118.87.45 REJECT Your mail server is a source of SPAM. Fix it! My mail server is my isp's. It is a shared server and not under my control. They are aware that is listed but cannot get to the bottom of why it is flagged. Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. As for your solution to spam. What is Postfix? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 15:25, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Forgive me for not being a know-it-all. I don't even know what FFS means. Took me a minute to figure it out as well, and I was just getting ready to Google it when I thought to myself, what is it that Stut would mean by that? The key word in that phrase was his name, and it made perfect sense: For F$#@s Sake. On second thought - I don't need your forgiveness. Perhaps you should utilize a newsgroup instead of getting all these emails in your inbox. Much less mail to sort thru when you don't feel like handling php problems and stuff from morons like me. You're not a moron, but keep in mind that the list is a mailing list first, and only archived into newsgroups as a courtesy. The official channel of communication here is email. Good ol' fashioned ARPANET-inspired email. That said, a simple filter would sort and organize things quite nicely, and I suspect at least 30% of the people here do just that. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote in message news:e5.d2.37602.f96b4...@pb1.pair.com... On 06 Jul 2011 at 20:03, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: As for your solution to spam. What is Postfix? Rather than rely on heuristics, I wrote a Bayesian filter for my e-mail app. Let the spammer, by sending you the mail, indicate what is spam and what is not. -- Cheers -- Tim Tim, Good for you - although I have no idea what you are saying. :) I believe the box trapper tool I utilize (from my ISP) is also letting the spammer define himself - but it's just a black box to me. jg -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.comwrote: Stuart Dallas stu...@3ft9.com wrote in message news:e73bd95e-0524-4743-92be-ae211b57e...@3ft9.com... On 6 Jul 2011, at 20:03, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Frankly, I don't know why you are getting mail from me - I'm not sending you any. FFS and for the last time... THIS IS A MAILING LIST which you access through a newsgroup gateway. It is NOT a newsgroup! -Stuart Forgive me for not being a know-it-all. I don't even know what FFS means. I don't expect people to know-it-all, but since you started contributing to this MAILING LIST I've told you at least twice that it's a MAILING LIST not a newsgroup. Suggestion... when you don't know something, Google it. In the past few messages you've sent you've asserted your ignorance on a number of points. Go to google, put FFS in and you get the definition back as the FIRST result. Even if it wasn't the first result I would hope it's safe to assume you'd know I didn't mean Facial Feminization Surgery or Finnish Fur Sales! Ignorance is natural and expected, but the inability or unwillingness to put effort into reducing your ignorance is a sickening waste of one of the most powerful computers on the planet! On second thought - I don't need your forgiveness. Perhaps you should utilize a newsgroup instead of getting all these emails in your inbox. Much less mail to sort thru when you don't feel like handling php problems and stuff from morons like me. I don't think you're a moron, and I'll leave deciding why you referred to yourself as such as an exercise for the reader. I do think you need to pay a bit more attention, and occasionally respect, to the responses you get on this mailing list if you want to realise the potential value they carry. I'm not sure why you think I do, but I have no problem with the emails I get as a result of subscribing to this mailing list - in fact I find them invaluable. I've found the list invaluable whenever I've had a problem I can't solve myself, and I find it invaluable to contribute where and when I can. I occasionally find it extremely frustrating, but as the veteran list members will hopefully testify my responses have mellowed somewhat with age. -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 03:03:44PM -0400, Jim Giner wrote: [snip] As for your solution to spam. What is Postfix? Postfix is a *nix program which can be connected to whatever program you use to grab mail with. With postfix, you write recipes which dictate what will be done with a piece of incoming mail, based on whatever characteristics you choose. Think of it as the spam controls in Firefox or Outlook, but on steroids. Typically, postfix will either drop a piece of spam on the floor, mark it in some way your mail client will understand, or file it an a separate folder. Moreover, it's not just for spam. It can be used to filter out duplicate emails, file copies of emails under different folders by subject, etc. It also makes for a great car wax and salad dressing. ;-} Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Jul 6, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: Postfix is a *nix program which can be connected to whatever program you use to grab mail with. With postfix, you write recipes which dictate what will be done with a piece of incoming mail, based on whatever characteristics you choose. Think of it as the spam controls in Firefox or Outlook, but on steroids. Typically, postfix will either drop a piece of spam on the floor, mark it in some way your mail client will understand, or file it an a separate folder. Moreover, it's not just for spam. It can be used to filter out duplicate emails, file copies of emails under different folders by subject, etc. Actually, what you're describing sounds much more like procmail than postfix. Postfix is a MTA - Mail Transfer Agent, a replacement for Sendmail on Unix systems. It does SMTP and local delivery of mail, and can hook into procmail to further process mail for a given user. Procmail *can* act as a MTA, but only in the local context. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 04:24:29PM -0500, Tamara Temple wrote: On Jul 6, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: Postfix is a *nix program which can be connected to whatever program you use to grab mail with. With postfix, you write recipes which dictate what will be done with a piece of incoming mail, based on whatever characteristics you choose. Think of it as the spam controls in Firefox or Outlook, but on steroids. Typically, postfix will either drop a piece of spam on the floor, mark it in some way your mail client will understand, or file it an a separate folder. Moreover, it's not just for spam. It can be used to filter out duplicate emails, file copies of emails under different folders by subject, etc. Actually, what you're describing sounds much more like procmail than postfix. Postfix is a MTA - Mail Transfer Agent, a replacement for Sendmail on Unix systems. It does SMTP and local delivery of mail, and can hook into procmail to further process mail for a given user. Procmail *can* act as a MTA, but only in the local context. Well, DUH! I can't believe I wrote this whole email about Postfix, while instead carefully explaining what procmail was! Maybe I need more rest than I thought. My apologies for the waste of bandwidth. Tamara's explanation is exactly correct. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
Hello Jim Giner, Am 2011-07-05 22:52:39, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Huh? You have a problem with a person having a spam filter that requires one valid response to ensure that the mail from an address is from a real person ONE TIME ONLY? The problem is, that 1) I read the messages on the Linux Console 2) I get every day such crap And what do you use to cut down on spam in your in-box? spamassassin + a bunch of procmail rules Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet Franceitsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
[PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
Hello Richard Quadling, Am 2011-07-05 17:14:18, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: But that is what reply-all is about. Person A sends an message to List B. I reply-all and Person A and List B get replies. I do not like to get PMs on my cellphone from the LIST Hmm. GMail sucks at this. Reply should be first Reply-To-List. This is, WHY Reply-To-List exist My Web-Mailer does support it. SQUIRRELMAIL rocks! :-D Having said that, the PHP lists should proxy the sender so a reply is to the list and not the original poster. NO! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet Franceitsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
[PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
Hello Jim Giner, Am 2011-07-05 13:30:31, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: It's certainly not spam - it's a spam filter offered by my ISP and works great. The mail you are getting from it is a query asking you to reply if you are real and once you do, you'll never get the request again. Do you realy believe, that we like to click a dozen links per day only that we are allowed to respond to a querry? This is idiot thinking, because YOU need the answer! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet Franceitsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
[PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
Huh? You have a problem with a person having a spam filter that requires one valid response to ensure that the mail from an address is from a real person ONE TIME ONLY? And what do you use to cut down on spam in your in-box? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 22:52, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Huh? You have a problem with a person having a spam filter that requires one valid response to ensure that the mail from an address is from a real person ONE TIME ONLY? Not that you're asking me, but yes, I do. It's not a bad idea in practice, but it's not a good idea either. If I'm sending an out-of-the-blue email to you, then I understand that I may have to introduce myself to the guard in the gatehouse. If you've sent something to me and I need permission to reply, that's making you look sanctimonious and unworthy of my time. That's not to say that you are, or that anyone like you is, of course, but if you expect - or even hope - to receive my reply, you should at least put me on the guest list first. (Pardon the analogies, but I've been watching documentaries on 18th Century Statesmanship, in relation to our Independence Day weekend.) A better use of everyone's time here would be to collaborate on ways to reduce SPAM. So many folks bitch and whine about it, yet so few seriously invest a few hours per month to help rid the world of it all. For the record, though, test($_POSTING['position']='top') will always return FALSE with a warning here. Parting words: most programmers still code in a procedural manner, yet so many can't comprehend reading top-to-bottom on a programming list. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's used Google searches for such intricacies as a minor evaluation of a prospective employee's potential fit. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
